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 Red Corsair wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
More like salad tosser. Not even just brown nosing

As for the codex upgrading it so that the rules make sense for 7th I'm good with. Splitting the book is kinda crappy but to be honest I already expected it. Now Inquisition and Assassins are going to be properly spread around the imperium. GK is GK. I do wish for more units to choose from and new models. But I'm still kinda excited by the release. Not gonna lie.

See that is a great attitude and I would mirror this if it weren't for the costs involved. I saw the split too, but surely they could price books like this or the even worse offender Imperial Knights more realistically.

Honestly I didn't mind the pricing originally. The quality on the books is awesome and I really like the actual product. Just like GW miniatures that is worth the cost for me. That being said that was before the release schedule tripled in speed just on codexes. With that happening the pricing pushed me out of getting every book like I used to. I pick them up from time to time with tournament winnings but honestly I've probably spent less on codexes on a yearly basis than I used to. They have gotten some cash out of me from dataslates and such but I'm spending less on rules than I used to. And I consider my random rule purchase similar to when I used to purchase whitedwarf for rules. Though sometimes more spread out.

Overall I'm excited because I've been playing GK's since 2nd Edition. So any release of their's I'm excited about. I get people's crankiness about the book itself but saying people are stupid for being excited about the update is a bit silly

Also I see the maelstrom card for the killing allies objective as a bit of a wink at the community. I think it's a joke in pretty good humor

See, that still is the sad thing... Normally I'd agree with you that getting a new codex is exciting.

But again, this is not so much a new codex, than it is an amputation of half the units, the inclusion of the faq, and some reshuffling of points and wargear. That's what I was saying in the deleted post prior to the mildly rude bit

while I'm trying to be optimistic I can't help but shake the feeling the new GK codex is ultimatly the first geniuine victem of the enhanced release schedule and GW's just not had the time to produce the token new unit every codex gets.

Am I the only one thinking this is a ripoff just from the point that it's the only hardback codex to date that will be released without new models/units to accompany it.

Why do people have a problem with the lack of new models all of a sudden?

Almost every release I see non stop complaints about how awful a new model looks combined with complaining about prices and it being "mandatory".

Now we get a release with no need to purchase anything new and people cant stop complaining about it.

Sure INQ and Assassin cost some extra if you plan on using them. Its the cost of like 1 box of minis, I will live. For everyone else who just wants to use one or the other it is actually nice for them. If you dont want to pay for them, then I am sure there will be no shortage of posts where you can get all the rules to use them.

 Leth wrote:
Why do people have a problem with the lack of new models all of a sudden?

Almost every release I see non stop complaints about how awful a new model looks combined with complaining about prices and it being "mandatory".

Now we get a release with no need to purchase anything new and people cant stop complaining about it.

How are these two things related or at all mutually exclusive? People want new models. People also want new models that are good.

And not releasing models for a Codex is weird.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And not releasing models for a Codex is weird.

Yes Very Weird

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And not releasing models for a Codex is weird.

Codex: AS and Inq agree. :(

The only thing I'm surprised at is the lack of new assasin models. Huge pottential right there yet nothing :S

Not a usual hater!

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And not releasing models for a Codex is weird.

Codex: AS and Inq agree. :(

Especially one that's getting a physical release. We've all unfortunately become inured to anemic, copy-paste hack jobs for dataslates and other electronic-only releases but this is a first, major faction that gets zero new models with a release.

 agnosto wrote:
Am I the only one thinking this is a ripoff just from the point that it's the only hardback codex to date that will be released without new models/units to accompany it.

I seriously doubt it. Take your perfectly functioning army and now split it into two books and a dataslate. It is a perfect, capitalistic idea. Now you must purchase two new things you didn't have to before to play the same army!

*rubs hands together*

 Wilson wrote:
The only thing I'm surprised at is the lack of new assasin models. Huge pottential right there yet nothing :S

Not a usual hater!

I know right? But hey, plastic greater demons would sell like hotcakes as well, but they don't do market research.

I hate to say it but this is another symptom predicted in the GW financials thread. They keep this up and I am sure they bleed yet more customers old and new by the next report. I really want them to turn this around btw, before any one calls me a hater or doomsayer. Of the armies to be redone, this was the easiest one to add to IMHO and yet they didn't. Doesn't look good for BA, DE and Necron players if they also want new models.

BrianDavion wrote:
while I'm trying to be optimistic I can't help but shake the feeling the new GK codex is ultimatly the first geniuine victem of the enhanced release schedule and GW's just not had the time to produce the token new unit every codex gets.

I disagree. I think the new codex is exactly what GW wanted to release, and they released it in the way they planned to for at least the last year. Consider, everyone noticed that Assassins were left out of the then new Inquisition Digital Codex. Some claimed this was yet another oversite by GW. I think now it's pretty safe to say they planned then that Assassins would be getting a Data Slate and that the forthcoming updated Grey Knights book would be Grey Knights only. As for no new models, again I think that was a deliberate plan. The entire Grey Knight Army is what, three years old? It's one of the very last of the 5th edition armies. Wile a new model would have been nice it was not needed. In fact I would not be surprised if the eventual Necron release was also done without a new model, after all, what do they really need? I don't know enough about the Dark Eldar to make any kind of prediction but I wouldn't expect a lot of new things for them either. Here's my real prediction though, after Necrons, DE, and Blood Angels are released, we will see Sisters finally updated as the last revamped army for 6/7th Edition. The complaining and rage will be epic.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
More like salad tosser. Not even just brown nosing

As for the codex upgrading it so that the rules make sense for 7th I'm good with. Splitting the book is kinda crappy but to be honest I already expected it. Now Inquisition and Assassins are going to be properly spread around the imperium. GK is GK. I do wish for more units to choose from and new models. But I'm still kinda excited by the release. Not gonna lie.

See that is a great attitude and I would mirror this if it weren't for the costs involved. I saw the split too, but surely they could price books like this or the even worse offender Imperial Knights more realistically.

Honestly I didn't mind the pricing originally. The quality on the books is awesome and I really like the actual product. Just like GW miniatures that is worth the cost for me. That being said that was before the release schedule tripled in speed just on codexes. With that happening the pricing pushed me out of getting every book like I used to. I pick them up from time to time with tournament winnings but honestly I've probably spent less on codexes on a yearly basis than I used to. They have gotten some cash out of me from dataslates and such but I'm spending less on rules than I used to. And I consider my random rule purchase similar to when I used to purchase whitedwarf for rules. Though sometimes more spread out.

Overall I'm excited because I've been playing GK's since 2nd Edition. So any release of their's I'm excited about. I get people's crankiness about the book itself but saying people are stupid for being excited about the update is a bit silly

Also I see the maelstrom card for the killing allies objective as a bit of a wink at the community. I think it's a joke in pretty good humor

See I wouldn't mind the option for a high end 50 dollar book, but first of all the books would need to be high end ie. not recycled fluff and not ripe with grammatical and spelling errors. Second they really should have had an optional paperback cheapy for those who only want the rules to play. Hell, charge for a subscription to have downloadable access to pdf's for user to print off just the rules. This would actually increase sales and gropw the player base.

As of the ork and SW books, the quality has worsened. I don't like the new format at all, and using poor photo shoot pictures for entries to me kills the feel codexes once had. Now they feel more like a hard back white dwarf honestly.

Well I hope some of the actual Codex leaks soon so we know what we're getting in to

As a dedicated GKs player I was thrilled they were getting an update. I was even thinking about getting the limited edition codex. But looking at everything we are losing, it's pretty depressing. I'll get the regular codex, and work with it, or sell them and just stick to 1 army.

iPad version of the GK codex was there yesterday, but has been removed from the online store today. I am curious how it gets placed back. Since it originally was $40, does that mean all prior purchases get the update free? Also will the new price by the $50 we are assuming for that edition?

It's really quite depressing reading through forums these days isn't it?
I'm almost starting to see why people are negative towards games workshop now as well.

Please GW, invest in a marketing team and learn your fanbase :(
Hell, I'd quit my job and come and do it for you if you like!

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And not releasing models for a Codex is weird.

Codex: AS and Inq agree. :(

They're not real Codices.

Usually I don't complain too much about the releases but on this occasion I'll say that if they are really taking out what I am hearing then the GK will be reduced to a very slight variant on SM but with nowhere near as many units. I don't want OP I am not going to spit out my dummy over 'nerfing' BUT I do want GK (of whom I have over 10,000 points) to be a proper army with a sound choice of units. If the rumours are right then it will be reduced to a rump of less units than any other army except Sisters. There will only be two types of troop and a tiny selection of vehicles. It is critical that they be allowed to freely ally with assassins and inquisition to allow some variety or given access to a wider range of units and vehicles. I don't understand the logic either in reboxing the standard LR as a Grey Knight's LR. Why waste the money on producing the boxes when the existing ones are the same unit or have I missed something?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And not releasing models for a Codex is weird.

Codex: AS and Inq agree. :(

They're not real Codices.

That's not what GW says...

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And not releasing models for a Codex is weird.

Codex: AS and Inq agree. :(

They're not real Codices.

That's not what GW says...

Well GW says a lot of things that are...light on truth.

I don't care what GW says. I'd say that most players don't even know the Inquisition have a Codex, and the Sisters haven't had their own book since 2nd Ed.

Someone mentioned the idea of GK getting Jetbikes... damn I never knew I wanted that, ahh well maybe the next codex release in 5 years right guys

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't care what GW says. I'd say that most players don't even know the Inquisition have a Codex, and the Sisters haven't had their own book since 2nd Ed.

Fair enough. Although I've been able to play them out of their own book/list for 5 editions which is a lot more than a lot of other armies can claim.

Isengard wrote:
Usually I don't complain too much about the releases but on this occasion I'll say that if they are really taking out what I am hearing then the GK will be reduced to a very slight variant on SM but with nowhere near as many units. I don't want OP I am not going to spit out my dummy over 'nerfing' BUT I do want GK (of whom I have over 10,000 points) to be a proper army with a sound choice of units. If the rumours are right then it will be reduced to a rump of less units than any other army except Sisters. There will only be two types of troop and a tiny selection of vehicles. It is critical that they be allowed to freely ally with assassins and inquisition to allow some variety or given access to a wider range of units and vehicles. I don't understand the logic either in reboxing the standard LR as a Grey Knight's LR. Why waste the money on producing the boxes when the existing ones are the same unit or have I missed something?

I disagree yeah it would be nice to get additional units but sometimes less is better and in this case I think it plays into the grey knight fluff well. I see them as like an ancient order not really moving foreword like other chapters but depending on the strength of their will to complete their tasks( hint hint GW bring back true grit). The only new unit I wouldn't mind is some sort of bike unit to play into the knights on horseback idea. Honestly what I REALLY want is storm shields give me those with my paladins and maybe more unique weaponry like halberds and such focusing on martial skill and I will be happy.

I don't need new models. The current ones are all good.
Don't care about losing inq or assassins. Neither is part of GK. A GK army shouldn't be all henchmen. If you're too cheap to buy the rules then use a torrent and stop whining.

Some new war gear, point tweaks, and hopefully cool warlord traits and formations will make things fun and tweak the game play. Lots of awesome potential

 Anpu42 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And not releasing models for a Codex is weird.

Yes Very Weird

the most unusal thing to me about it is, GW knows that when a new codex release comes out, generally thats a chance to push people to make some new purchases, as old time players will sudden;y want to add the new shiny to their army. (especially if it fills a new and intreasting niche) so GW's useally come out with new units even if it wasn't exactly nesscary. a good example is SM centurions, not exactly a nesscary unit, but they're fun and fill an intreasting role (the "SOOO MUCH DAKKA!" role )I and a lot of others with SM armies bought it, but you hardly NEED the things.

C:GK isn't going to have any of this, so it is definatly strange. the best I can figure is GW cynically knows a lotta GK lists are Inq heavy so GK players will mostly have to buy GKs to replace what they lost, or buy the Inq codex and assasins dataslate instead.

Mm and cheaper dread Knights. If they had the teleporter and sword and we're cheaper they'd be so rad. Psybolt is my one important thing. The command traits are sweet. Hoping the champion stances are gnarly too


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Or ap2 draigo???

yeah I'll be a sad panda is psybolts go bye bye