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 Sir Arun wrote:
Of course we WILL see dual heavy psycannon dreadknights to bring in some anti horde firepower

Forgive my ignorance, but what are the stats of the heavy psycannon?

 Bonesnapper wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Of course we WILL see dual heavy psycannon dreadknights to bring in some anti horde firepower

Forgive my ignorance, but what are the stats of the heavy psycannon?

I guess its the same as the psycannon but 5'' blast.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Bonesnapper wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Of course we WILL see dual heavy psycannon dreadknights to bring in some anti horde firepower

Forgive my ignorance, but what are the stats of the heavy psycannon?

I guess its the same as the psycannon but 5'' blast.

Unless there was massive points drop for it, the Heavy Psycannon is too expensive for what it brings. The Heavy Incineration is far better at Anti-Horde.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Well, against a very shooty or horde army, a GK army with models from the new GK codex only, will play an uphill battle.
Not sure if there is light at the horizon. Termies got cheaper, the same holds for the DK's weapons and teleporter. Moreover, the new GK can deep strike in round 1.
So if played smartly (deep striking to overwhelm one enemy flank), this may work.

It's really sad that they went this route again though. Like I said in my previous force, GK started out as a few squads in a mostly imperial mish-mash, and now they are back to that.

I'm sure you can field good lists with it that will be competitive. I'm just unsure on how tournament organisers are going to respond to all of this. Many of them already try to cut back on the amount of sources you can use. If the only competitive mix you can create with codex grey knights (and I think the cheese will be the new dreadknight), relies too heavily on dragging in 2 other codexes (inquisition and IG/SM), then I think there will be a lot of cuts to it already.

Mind you, I predict this will work really well with and allied SM army with 2 scouts squads with teleport homer. The teleport homer does mention that it only works for unit entirely made up of models with terminator armor... So it remains to be seen if it'll work for dreadknights or even PAGKs...

If not, maybe locator beacons on drop pod marines for a null deployment tactic going second turn... but then you would forgo your first turn deepstrike with GKs. This just screams extremely risky to me if your pod marines don't make it past turn 1 though.




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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:


Unless there was massive points drop for it, the Heavy Psycannon is too expensive for what it brings. The Heavy Incineration is far better at Anti-Horde.

That... and open topped vehicles now. If they can carry 2 of the same now, you can roast most units inside open topped transport fairly easily. It's also random hits, so a good chance to destroy pesky elements inside units. I know my regular DE opponent now craps his pants whenever something with (heavy) incinerators gets close to him. I like my blasterborn medium well done...

Well, the new GK can do some form of alpha strike via deep striking at first turn.
I hope there will be some measure to reduce the risk of deep striking them as well.

I do feel like this book is going to be made with the relics, also thinking about having knights with knights? :p what do you guys think? The problem I see is flyers but they have been nerf a bit and hopefully psyilfemen wiill deal with them.

 oldone wrote:
I do feel like this book is going to be made with the relics, also thinking about having knights with knights? :p what do you guys think? The problem I see is flyers but they have been nerf a bit and hopefully psyilfemen wiill deal with them.

Well, Psyflemen can deal with them. They are now Elite and so don't interfere with DK's being HS.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Bonesnapper wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Of course we WILL see dual heavy psycannon dreadknights to bring in some anti horde firepower

Forgive my ignorance, but what are the stats of the heavy psycannon?

I guess its the same as the psycannon but 5'' blast.

Unless there was massive points drop for it, the Heavy Psycannon is too expensive for what it brings. The Heavy Incineration is far better at Anti-Horde.

Depending upon the horde you're facing, the gatling psilencer might do, especially if we're allowed to double-up weapons on the dreadnight. It's on S4 vs. non-daemons but at 12 shots per weapon, you're looking at 24 shots.

The heavy psicannon has rending on that 5" pieplate too (currently).

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
No Psybolt Ammo would flat out suck.

On the other hand, there's no way to model Psybolt Ammunition, so as long as there's no Official™ Citadel™ Psybolt™ Conversion™ Kit™, it'll get written out like everything else that doesn't have a model right this second.

I don't know. I feel like an ignore cover torrent weapon that's st6 ap4 is going to be a better buy everytime over the psilencer. If we really can double up I can't imagine it not being double incinerator. Assuming you catch 4 models under the flamer template (generally the lowest I catch in bigger units) the kill rate is the exact same as a psilencer but cheaper. And as you get more dudes under there the template only gets better.

Worst part about this codex is the force org limit tournaments are putting on army building. (assuming you already have the inquisition codex and don't use assassins)

 Hulksmash wrote:

Worst part about this codex is the force org limit tournaments are putting on army building. (assuming you already have the inquisition codex and don't use assassins)

Not sure what you mean here.

In the new codex, you could take 2 DK's (HS slots) and up to 4 Dreads (Elite slots).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
No Psybolt Ammo would flat out suck.

On the other hand, there's no way to model Psybolt Ammunition, so as long as there's no Official™ Citadel™ Psybolt™ Conversion™ Kit™, it'll get written out like everything else that doesn't have a model right this second.

There are plenty of upgrades that don't have pieces. Tau don't even have regulated things for their suit upgrades.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

Worst part about this codex is the force org limit tournaments are putting on army building. (assuming you already have the inquisition codex and don't use assassins)

Not sure what you mean here.

In the new codex, you could take 2 DK's (HS slots) and up to 4 Dreads (Elite slots).

I wasn't referring to anti-tank necessarily. I was refering to tournaments basically making what could have been a very standard army completely unplayable due to only allowing 2 sources (a GK army this Friday could go from 1 source to 3 overnight).

Also the ability to take 2 of the GK Detachments and an Inquisitorial Detachment to make the most of the rules available to the GK isn't possible.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I wasn't referring to anti-tank necessarily. I was refering to tournaments basically making what could have been a very standard army completely unplayable due to only allowing 2 sources (a GK army this Friday could go from 1 source to 3 overnight).

Also the ability to take 2 of the GK Detachments and an Inquisitorial Detachment to make the most of the rules available to the GK isn't possible.

Game's fault for allowing asinine levels of broken in terms of what allies are in 7E. With the entire Imperium being battle brothers, the rules would be entirely open for abuse with multi-sourced Voltron lists of death. I don't like it because it's basically screwed my armies over, so I did the rational thing. Sold almost all of them and swore off GW products. Hate the game (company), not the players.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

I wasn't referring to anti-tank necessarily. I was refering to tournaments basically making what could have been a very standard army completely unplayable due to only allowing 2 sources (a GK army this Friday could go from 1 source to 3 overnight).

Also the ability to take 2 of the GK Detachments and an Inquisitorial Detachment to make the most of the rules available to the GK isn't possible.

Game's fault for allowing asinine levels of broken in terms of what allies are in 7E. With the entire Imperium being battle brothers, the rules would be entirely open for abuse with multi-sourced Voltron lists of death. I don't like it because it's basically screwed my armies over, so I did the rational thing. Sold almost all of them and swore off GW products. Hate the game (company), not the players.

Me thinks you doth speaketh out of your hind end

But seriously, I've yet to see these voltron lists of death people discuss. Being a BB is all well and good but the thing that made deathstars super was psychic powers. Those are ridiculously more difficult to rely on than before.

I'm also not "hating" on players. I'm saying that playing the game the way it's written might be the best route. Limiting force orgs actually helps BB armies far more than unlimited FO's hurt non-BB armies.

 Hulksmash wrote:

Me thinks you doth speaketh out of your hind end

But seriously, I've yet to see these voltron lists of death people discuss. Being a BB is all well and good but the thing that made deathstars super was psychic powers. Those are ridiculously more difficult to rely on than before.

I'm also not "hating" on players. I'm saying that playing the game the way it's written might be the best route. Limiting force orgs actually helps BB armies far more than unlimited FO's hurt non-BB armies.

Then why is almost every tournament 2 source limited? Or is every TO and game store speaking from their respective hind ends?

Sorry, it's the game being busted. And you want to say "go away for posting negative comments," you're toeing the line of Rule #1. I'm allowed to have an opinion that differs from a positive echo chamber. Realize that GW is doing a lot of bad crap. I perceive this release as negative because it costs more and gives me less; the definition of reduce value. Please, give me a fact on why I should see this as anything but negative?

I can't help myself, I'm bored at work

 TheKbob wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

Me thinks you doth speaketh out of your hind end

But seriously, I've yet to see these voltron lists of death people discuss. Being a BB is all well and good but the thing that made deathstars super was psychic powers. Those are ridiculously more difficult to rely on than before.

I'm also not "hating" on players. I'm saying that playing the game the way it's written might be the best route. Limiting force orgs actually helps BB armies far more than unlimited FO's hurt non-BB armies.

Then why is almost every tournament 2 source limited? Or is every TO and game store speaking from their respective hind ends?

Sorry, it's the game being busted. And you want to say "go away for posting negative comments," you're toeing the line of Rule #1. I'm allowed to have an opinion that differs from a positive echo chamber. Realize that GW is doing a lot of bad crap. I perceive this release as negative because it costs more and gives me less; the definition of reduce value. Please, give me a fact on why I should see this as anything but negative?

Almost every tournament is not 2-source limited. GT's are by and large 2 source limited but for the stance of BAO it was due to a vote by attendees. Not because the TO's think it's necessarily busted or broken to allow more than 2-sources. It's also a comfortable hold over from 6th for many people. Nova leaned that way this year as well but expects things to shift over the next year. TO's are doing it for financial reasons not because the game is "broken". Some people perceive it as broken (yourself included) but that doesn't actually mean it is and they are easing people into 7th because otherwise they both stand to lose enormous amounts of money. And because small events follow large events it's not crazy to see other tournaments implementing them.

It's not so much the negative comments I think he's referring to. Those are valid. The problem is that right now you are the equivelant of a howler monkey that's angry with the runs. You don't contribute to the conversation in a reasonable manner. You screech and fling pooh (negative comments) but don't seem to be willing to discuss in a rational manner. I understand your anger at your percieved reduced value. I agree in many ways in that I'm not a fan of splitting elements out of a book that have been in it for several editions. That said I love GK's. To me the positives of this release include the following:

-Cheaper Psycannons for Terminators & Purgators
-Cheaper Incinerators on Interceptors
-Cheaper meelee weapons for everyone except hammers for Purifiers
-The force org special rule for turn 1 deepstrike
-Insanely cheaper Jump DK w/possible dual same weapons
-Cheaper Terminators
-Cheaper Libbies in TA
-Full shift of Dread to Elite to not compete with the DK's
-I'm going to be able to use my GK's again! (seemingly)

And that's just on the information we have. We don't know wargear or special rules. We don't know specifics yet. Could there be some bad coming? Yep. And if it does come I'll discuss the good with the bad. But I'll DISCUSS it. I won't just howl.

The hind end comment is due to the fact that you make a broad generalization without seeming to understand how the game actually works now. What Voltron list is suddenly unstoppable and broken in unlimited Battle Forge (i.e. rulebook battle forged)? I'm genuinely asking. I'm giving you the opportunity to prove your point. Break the game. And by break the game I mean make an army that statistically functions well over the course of 6 games.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

I wasn't referring to anti-tank necessarily. I was refering to tournaments basically making what could have been a very standard army completely unplayable due to only allowing 2 sources (a GK army this Friday could go from 1 source to 3 overnight).

Also the ability to take 2 of the GK Detachments and an Inquisitorial Detachment to make the most of the rules available to the GK isn't possible.

Game's fault for allowing asinine levels of broken in terms of what allies are in 7E. With the entire Imperium being battle brothers, the rules would be entirely open for abuse with multi-sourced Voltron lists of death. I don't like it because it's basically screwed my armies over, so I did the rational thing. Sold almost all of them and swore off GW products. Hate the game (company), not the players.

except the biggest thing you complain about is the 2 source limit, which is purely an artifical construct of the players and one that makes absolutly zero sense anyway. the more allies you load up on the less big things you'll have the points to take.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
No Psybolt Ammo would flat out suck.

On the other hand, there's no way to model Psybolt Ammunition, so as long as there's no Official™ Citadel™ Psybolt™ Conversion™ Kit™, it'll get written out like everything else that doesn't have a model right this second.

Fairly sure upgrades dont fall under that

Hulksmash wrote:

Almost every tournament is not 2-source limited. GT's are by and large 2 source limited but for the stance of BAO it was due to a vote by attendees. Not because the TO's think it's necessarily busted or broken to allow more than 2-sources. It's also a comfortable hold over from 6th for many people. Nova leaned that way this year as well but expects things to shift over the next year. TO's are doing it for financial reasons not because the game is "broken". Some people perceive it as broken (yourself included) but that doesn't actually mean it is and they are easing people into 7th because otherwise they both stand to lose enormous amounts of money. And because small events follow large events it's not crazy to see other tournaments implementing them.

It's not so much the negative comments I think he's referring to. Those are valid. The problem is that right now you are the equivelant of a howler monkey that's angry with the runs. You don't contribute to the conversation in a reasonable manner. You screech and fling pooh (negative comments) but don't seem to be willing to discuss in a rational manner. I understand your anger at your percieved reduced value. I agree in many ways in that I'm not a fan of splitting elements out of a book that have been in it for several editions. That said I love GK's. To me the positives of this release include the following:

-Cheaper Psycannons for Terminators & Purgators
-Cheaper Incinerators on Interceptors
-Cheaper meelee weapons for everyone except hammers for Purifiers
-The force org special rule for turn 1 deepstrike
-Insanely cheaper Jump DK w/possible dual same weapons
-Cheaper Terminators
-Cheaper Libbies in TA
-Full shift of Dread to Elite to not compete with the DK's
-I'm going to be able to use my GK's again! (seemingly)

And that's just on the information we have. We don't know wargear or special rules. We don't know specifics yet. Could there be some bad coming? Yep. And if it does come I'll discuss the good with the bad. But I'll DISCUSS it. I won't just howl.

The hind end comment is due to the fact that you make a broad generalization without seeming to understand how the game actually works now. What Voltron list is suddenly unstoppable and broken in unlimited Battle Forge (i.e. rulebook battle forged)? I'm genuinely asking. I'm giving you the opportunity to prove your point. Break the game. And by break the game I mean make an army that statistically functions well over the course of 6 games.

Two source belongs in another thread, but long story short is all the major game playing going on in my area is two source limited. And it's for the perceived (or real) problem of game balance. It invalidated my SoB army and it now invalidates my GK army. I don't know of any terrible lists because people are not focusing on building them. It's the two source limit, why waste effort on anything else? Again, take it up with the community as a whole, and not me. It impacts me by making it impossible to play the armies I want. Baby meet bath water.

Spin the rest of the "updates" of the Grey Knights all you want. What is equivalent to an errata update in other games is now nearly a double cost increase to lose access to 9+ units which further makes the total cost over $90. Spin me right round, baby.

And again, you can already 1st turn deep strike with Mordrak. OH, WAIT... that got deleted! To sell you a formation that lacks OBSEC. And you're just intercept bait with overpriced 3+ power armor dudes with weak firing potential if everything is mech'd up. And then there's non-Paladin terminators... we know how good those are this edition.

I'm not screeching or flinging poo. My comments are negative if you think the facts of the matter are negative. How many times in the past few releases have we been hearing the chorus of "just one more leak, it'll be okay!" And they get worse and worse. Deleted units, lost wargear, lost rules, lost ARMY BUILDS invalidating individual's hard work and effort. Again, these are facts. If stating these and hammering GW for it is perceived as negative, then maybe you're taking an unreasonable or irrational stance of favoritism; or what the lay person calls "Fanboy." The numbers are all against the "pro-GW" stance in terms of sales and in the releases. I'm flat out getting jacked over this release. Many others have pointed this out. What's the problem with stating it besides it going against the "pro-GW" choir?

BrianDavion wrote:
except the biggest thing you complain about is the 2 source limit, which is purely an artifical construct of the players and one that makes absolutly zero sense anyway. the more allies you load up on the less big things you'll have the points to take.

It's not artificial, it's actually within the guidelines of the BRB. Black and white, players choose what rules are in and out. And sense or not, I'm hindered and held to it. And you don't need allies when you can throw in formations that bypass restrictions of HQ/Troops.

The positive look is to say "No, we as a community say feth this" and stick to our guns. Let these releases tank and let GW know this is not what we want. We know they don't conduct market research, but when revenue dries up, they'll either sink or swim. By just saying "it's all good!" when it's really bad is both ludicrous and only further gets us more schlock like this. If you care about 40k, you'd want to ensure that you're growing the game, not polluting or dividing it. Other games release new product and they expand their universe or create additions to existing strategies. With the past 4 releases, Games Workshop has done nothing but delete strategies and units. This is a bad thing. It's negative. Pointing it out isn't negative unless you have an irrational view or don't play other games.

 TheKbob wrote:

Two source belongs in another thread, but long story short is all the major game playing going on in my area is two source limited. And it's for the perceived (or real) problem of game balance. It invalidated my SoB army and it now invalidates my GK army. I don't know of any terrible lists because people are not focusing on building them. It's the two source limit, why waste effort on anything else? Again, take it up with the community as a whole, and not me. It impacts me by making it impossible to play the armies I want. Baby meet bath water.

Actually I'd say take it up with YOUR community. Granted, if you engage in the same level discourse with them you do here I don't see it changing. That said approaching it in a reasonable manner has effected change in communities. An area I played in in California with the longest run of successful monthly RTT's in SoCal only limits certain LoW. No other limitations on Battleforged. So there are communities doing that don't have these epic issues. And I know I trust a community of fairly competitive players to break it if it's legal in their area. And it doesn't seem to be breaking. It's not hard facts but it's more evidence than simply screeching it's broken.

Spin the rest of the "updates" of the Grey Knights all you want. What is equivalent to an errata update in other games is now nearly a double cost increase to lose access to 9+ units which further makes the total cost over $90. Spin me right round, baby.

All codex updates are basically errata with an extra unit or two. It's been that way since 3rd edition. And it's less than 2/3's a cost increase for the actual codex. Or the same if you purchase the digital edition. Losing units sucks and spreading stuff out over several publications sucks. No question. However your blowing it out of proportion.

And again, you can already 1st turn deep strike with Mordrak. OH, WAIT... that got deleted! To sell you a formation that lacks OBSEC. And you're just intercept bait with overpriced 3+ power armor dudes with weak firing potential if everything is mech'd up. And then there's non-Paladin terminators... we know how good those are this edition.

Modrak deepstriking is completely different from 2/3 of an army deepstriking. So Modrak and friends I could get 2 new DK's. One DK does more damage turn 1 than Mordraks unit ever could. Again your making assumptions. Obsec isn't the be all, end all. Some things are worth losing it. Deepstriking 2/3 of my list on turn 1 is totally worth it.

I'm not screeching or flinging poo. My comments are negative if you think the facts of the matter are negative. How many times in the past few releases have we been hearing the chorus of "just one more leak, it'll be okay!" And they get worse and worse. Deleted units, lost wargear, lost rules, lost ARMY BUILDS invalidating individual's hard work and effort. Again, these are facts. If stating these and hammering GW for it is perceived as negative, then maybe you're taking an unreasonable or irrational stance of favoritism; or what the lay person calls "Fanboy." The numbers are all against the "pro-GW" stance in terms of sales and in the releases. I'm flat out getting jacked over this release. Many others have pointed this out. What's the problem with stating it besides it going against the "pro-GW" choir?

Nope, I stand by the screeching monkey flinging poo comparison. Fact is that not everyone share the same idea of how the game works or enjoys it the same way. Generally those people are open to reasonable discource that doesn't come off as petulant and whiney. You seem honestly to be more upset by your local community than 40k in general. Take it up with them. Personally Orks have been good. Space Wolves have been good. I think pure GK are going to be good. Do both Orks and Space Wolves have supplements that make them better? Yep. But they are still good codexes.

I'm not "pro-gw" outside of enjoying playing their games. I am against some of their business practices. My personal purchasing of GW has waned heavily since 5th edition. I play other games now that I enjoy quite a bit. But I still enjoy 40k. Your issues seem to be cost and army building related. One I empathize with and would weigh the fun I would get from the purchase against the cost. The other though is a local issue and you should attempt to work on it locally.

And with that I'm off work and no longer need to be entertained. Thank you sir

 TheKbob wrote:
Please, give me a fact on why I should see this as anything but negative?

Umm, we didn't get "Squatted?"
Yeah, that's all I got.

I do feel your pain, although I never played an Inquisitorial/Demonhunters list. I played pure Grey Knights. Sometimes I threw in a single OM Inquisitor (never used Coteaz) and maybe an assassin for lulz, but I've been a loyal Grey Knights player since the first DH book came out (and I've had a GK terminator squad since 2nd Edition before that). So, I've had my army go from "never came close to winning" to "almost always winning" and now it seems it will be "maybe I might have a chance to win"

I don't see a whole lot to truly like in these rumors thus far. We're getting some things, but losing others, and I fear the losses (like Psybolt ammo) cannot be made up for by what we're getting.

One little tidbit I found interesting: the little ad for the 10 man box on the GW site mentions:

Capture key objectives with a precision teleportation strike from the Grey Knights vanguard.

"Precision teleportation strike"? Could just be a fluff bit or ad nonsense of course, but perhaps they is some rule that helps with deep striking accuracy (besides teleport homers).

 Redemption wrote:
One little tidbit I found interesting: the little ad for the 10 man box on the GW site mentions:

Capture key objectives with a precision teleportation strike from the Grey Knights vanguard.

"Precision teleportation strike"? Could just be a fluff bit or ad nonsense of course, but perhaps they is some rule that helps with deep striking accuracy (besides teleport homers).

We can only hope, but I fear it is the former, rather than the latter.

So what are we getting exactly? No storm shields, losing half the codex, no new unit, no psybolt ammo, maybe a rule to give us first turn deep strike(something dark angels do much better). I don't know I am havering a really hard time getting excited for this codex update I was really trying to keep a positive attitude, I even posted earlier how not getting a unit is ok as long as they make the units we have better/ cheaper, or even better option like I dint know......STORM SHIELDS!!!! I apologies for rants but my grey knights just got gutted, of course my tyranids still are well tyranids, and I just read in another thread instead of my BA(my pride and joy army) getting updated it is going to STUPID necrons next!!!!
Why just WHY!!!!!

One of the lightpoints is the fact that heavy support is freed up massively. I hate to sound like a broken record, but with DT for landraiders, dreads moving to elites... That frees up heavy support to just spam the new underpriced dreadknights.

If those dreadknights can still activate force, you'll have the perfect answer for almost all MC spam. Their heavy incinerators will be awesome if you can get 2 of the same too. So there's definatly things to make this list work... I wouldn't worry about them becoming auto-lose... This list, if the rumours are correct, will be able to do something (except kill heavy armor at range).

It's just sad to go from a book that was well known for having a plethora of highly competitive builds, is going to a monobuild one... Not only because of internal balance, but also because there's almost no frigging options in each slot.

Most lists gravitate towards the most point effective entry in a certain battlefield role. That's a given. But with most codexes, you get more than 2 choices for each slot... How can you expect to toy around and experiment with lists if there's so little choice to begin with. :(

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So what are we getting exactly?

I'll tell you what you're getting - you're getting sodomized in the name of profit.

If I was a GK player, this here so-called update would be the last straw.

 -DE- wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So what are we getting exactly?

I'll tell you what you're getting - you're getting sodomized in the name of profit.

If I was a GK player, this here so-called update would be the last straw.

If you're an Inq player with a little GK sprinkled in, maybe

If you're a pure GK player, not so much

And we still dont know the final fate of psybolts

Like all things there's the caveat: "I'll see what happens," but right now it's hard to see how Grey Knights can operate as an individual army army without taking allies -- and I hate that.

Psyfleman dreads are a poor excuse for AA and anti-armor, there's no indication there will be a single weapon in the book that can fire over 24", getting an aegis defense line is fine -- but nobody good can sit behind it.

Putting the sanctic powers in the datacards is insulting. Congrats, the Space Wolves and Orks have more flavor in the psychic phase than the so-called king of the imperium psykers.

I put a lot of hope that in the midst of all the disappointment there might be a new table to help fill in some of the gaps. NOPE, but hey not suffering perils on doubles with a mediocre table with a pointless primaris in most games makes up for it... right?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


If you're an Inq player with a little GK sprinkled in, maybe

If you're a pure GK player, not so much

And we still dont know the final fate of psybolts

Well, that pretty much sums it up right there. Everything is just fine, as long as you are not somebody who's just seen their army and all the effort (or money, whichever is most important to you) go up in smoke...

BTW, that "maybe" in the first line, is something you can replace with "for sure"...

Will players adapt and get over it, most likely. Does that make it ok what they just did, not really... It's stuff like this that makes people have a weird love-hate relationship with GW. They love the lore/universe, but hate the completely unethical business practices of the makers. This is just chapter 200+ in how GW screws over their fanbase again. Too bad they have such a cool IP and cool models, huh.


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 Auswin wrote:


Psyfleman dreads are a poor excuse for AA and anti-armor, there's no indication there will be a single weapon in the book that can fire over 24", getting an aegis defense line is fine -- but nobody good can sit behind it.

Putting the sanctic powers in the datacards is insulting. Congrats, the Space Wolves and Orks have more flavor in the psychic phase than the so-called king of the imperium psykers.

I put a lot of hope that in the midst of all the disappointment there might be a new table to help fill in some of the gaps. NOPE, but hey not suffering perils on doubles with a mediocre table with a pointless primaris in most games makes up for it... right?

Actually, I'm fine with a "brotherhood of psykers" not manifesting the same powers are full psykers. Their psychic mastery shows through in many other ways, not the least in the fact that they are the only ones able to manifest it somewhat reliably. The primaris is very silly indeed though. But that hardly matters if most squads get hammerhand by default, sometimes with more tossed in, like purifiers.


Oh... and I don't think the Aegis defence line will be that good for GKs. Don't forget that a GK dakka dread's best friend is a landing platform. I'll take that 3++ over and ADL anyday. Also, you might want to consider comms relay over quadgun for GKs...