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are any of the relics even worth taking?

Paladins got better overall, but in terms of how much cheaper terminators got I'd say pallies are demonstrably worse.

With the over-abundance of high strength AP2 weaponry it feels like a waste to take Paladins at 55 pts a model over 33 pt terminators.

Wait... am I reading this wrong or can an entire squad of paladins take Iron Halos? It's under the special-issue wargear

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
You ran paladins with swords? O.o

Well no but its still a thing....

Edit: iron halos are not in the purchasing list.

 Auswin wrote:
Paladins got better overall, but in terms of how much cheaper terminators got I'd say pallies are demonstrably worse.

With the over-abundance of high strength AP2 weaponry it feels like a waste to take Paladins at 55 pts a model over 33 pt terminators.

Wait... am I reading this wrong or can an entire squad of paladins take Iron Halos? It's under the special-issue wargear

Not under the list with point costs. They can all take melta bombs if you really wanted to though

 Elmir wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Both purifiers and strike squad guys went up slightly on price. I guess to pay for their sergeant / justicar character. That coupled with the psycannon nerf and the lack of psychic pilot is bad news for PAGK.

The only buff there is interceptors with incinerators are cheaper.

I disagree. Purifiers being ML2 psykers who come standard with cleansing flame (was like that before, ML2 is new) is nothing to be sneezed at. They will not want to take psycannons anymore though...

But with 2 incinerators on them in a rhino and the fact that you can cast their nove out of the tophatch, they are pretty decent at busting hordes. Especially if you consider that they only clock in at 170p in that formation. True pyromaniacs!

Incinerators on interceptors is also really good as well.

Purgation squads and strike squads are dead though... Sad... :(

Ah ha, I missed that ML 2 bit! Ok that's not as bad then.

Is it me or did stormravens don't have any Options to purhcase?

Literally none

 Auswin wrote:
Paladins got better overall, but in terms of how much cheaper terminators got I'd say pallies are demonstrably worse.

With the over-abundance of high strength AP2 weaponry it feels like a waste to take Paladins at 55 pts a model over 33 pt terminators.

Wait... am I reading this wrong or can an entire squad of paladins take Iron Halos? It's under the special-issue wargear

That's what I meant, Paladin's don't compare cost wise to Terminators I don't think. And As much as I'd like it to be so, the wargear bit must be a misprint.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Is it me or did stormravens don't have any Options to purhcase?

Literally none

Unless its strapped to page 75 no..

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Is it me or did stormravens don't have any Options to purhcase?

Literally none

Jesus H you're right.

Holy what an oversight!

But then after the SW codex we should have expected something like this...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
You ran paladins with swords? O.o

I ran 2x5 Paladins with Halberd/Apothecary+Stave/Hammer+SB/Hammer+PsyCan/Banner

And
5 Halberd and 1 Psycannon.


I had a Terminator Squad I was in the process of building with 4x Sword, 1 Psilincer and the Justicar either Stave for the challenges, Thawn because he's awesome or Sword for cheapness. Never fielded and not even painted yet.

What would you put on them? They have ceramite plating standard... A dozeblade or hunter killer?

Whoops, already stated

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Is it me or did stormravens don't have any Options to purhcase?

Literally none

Jesus H you're right.

Holy what an oversight!

But then after the SW codex we should have expected something like this...

I mean what about the hurricane bolters, like come on!! Or extra armour or sth

 Elmir wrote:
What would you put on them? They have ceramite plating standard... A dozeblade or hunter killer?

MM and hurricane bolters like everyone other spess marhines.

Storm raven is 2 pages, looks like pretre missed page 2 with the options. Same as the old dex tho just no psybolt

 Elmir wrote:
What would you put on them? They have ceramite plating standard... A dozeblade or hunter killer?

hurricane bolters??

it comes with the box you know

Ooh, fcs, people!
Stormraven Gunship has TWO pages and you can still take everything.

 pretre wrote:

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You mean this? Wow, that one was well hidden

 Elmir wrote:

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You mean this? Wow, that one was well hidden

Ha ha ha well done sir

oh no one of the most OP books in 5th 6th and 7th is getting hit with a nerf bat who knew, next thing you know tau and eldar are gonna get nerfed and people are gonna riot. get over it

4chan ninja strikes again

zearas wrote:
oh no one of the most OP books in 5th 6th and 7th is getting hit with a nerf bat who knew, next thing you know tau and eldar are gonna get nerfed and people are gonna riot. get over it

They've been around middle tier at best since the end of 5th.

 Eldarain wrote:

zearas wrote:
oh no one of the most OP books in 5th 6th and 7th is getting hit with a nerf bat who knew, next thing you know tau and eldar are gonna get nerfed and people are gonna riot. get over it

They've been around middle tier at best since the end of 5th.

Come on, it was no earlier than mid 6th when they got knocked down a peg. Until the first 6e FAQs made Paladins no longer characters, among other things, and until Eldar and Tau GK were still uber good.

Looks like an errata needs to come out telling me I can't equip my justicars with storm shields and plasma cutters. IE. Numerous entries stating they can take special issue gear >_>

Personal teleporting iron halo paladins with storm shields and plasma cutters.. heh... proofreading.

chnmmr wrote:
Looks like an errata needs to come out telling me I can't equip my justicars with storm shields and plasma cutters. IE. Numerous entries stating they can take special issue gear >_>

No dude, look at the wargear list.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

zearas wrote:
oh no one of the most OP books in 5th 6th and 7th is getting hit with a nerf bat who knew, next thing you know tau and eldar are gonna get nerfed and people are gonna riot. get over it

They've been around middle tier at best since the end of 5th.

Come on, it was no earlier than mid 6th when they got knocked down a peg. Until the first 6e FAQs made Paladins no longer characters, among other things, and until Eldar and Tau GK were still uber good.

I will concede that. The statement that they were "one of the most OP books in 5th 6th and 7th" is still incredibly inaccurate.

Those Pics must be fakes, I can read them!

chnmmr wrote:
Looks like an errata needs to come out telling me I can't equip my justicars with storm shields and plasma cutters. IE. Numerous entries stating they can take special issue gear >_>

The special issue wargear listed with point costs, not all the wargear.

I am digging the changes. Lots of things got removed as expected (including psybolt).

The meta is now Terminators and DK.

For 2k pts in the deep strike formation you can run 1 GKGM, Librarian, 4 5 man units of Terminators, 4 DK.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:


Come on, it was no earlier than mid 6th when they got knocked down a peg. Until the first 6e FAQs made Paladins no longer characters, among other things, and until Eldar and Tau GK were still uber good.

Actually, the minute 6th landed GKs took a steep plummet.

- Rapid fire changes drastically reduced the huge advantage they had in the shooting phase with their storm bolters... You couldn't just win every mid-range shoot-out.

- Power/Force weapons changed to only be AP3 also hurt.

- Light vehicles like the previously supremely undercosted psyback went from almost impossible to kill to "easy to glance to bits" due to Hull Points.

The palladin change was the least of their "worries" during 6th. Eldar and Tau just took over when their books hit., but prior to that, necron croissant and IG vendetta spam was all the outrage.