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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 01:00:14
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Well, as Psykers I believe GK normally get 4+DTW standard (although BoP may not count for the regular +1 bonus). And Adamantium will would make that 3+.
ML3 Librarians get 3+ standard against most psykers except named ones then. And +2Str. Str 8 in CC with Hammerhand anyone?
It is really a godsend vs other psykers.
The best DTW is Kharn the Betrayer, a single, underused character in what is considered a subpar book. The ML3 Libby with Stave is the next best thing assuming your opponent isn't using a ML3 or 4 psyker of their own...so CSM Sorcerers or DP, CD Lords of Change, Fateweaver or Blue Scribes, Eldar Farseers and Eldrad, Ahriman, The Swarmlord, Mephiston and Tiguirius.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 01:02:08
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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pizzaguardian wrote: th3maninblak wrote:
Which means a libby with ml3 and a staff is giving you a 3+ deny the witch on anything ml2 or lower, rerolling ones. At worst its a 4+. Which effectively means that grey knights are now immune to maledictions and witchfire powers.
Immune would be a strong word when some armies can throw a dozen dice to that power, really resistant is better imo.
This is grey knights we're talking about. You can just throw a dozen dice back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 01:05:34
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Yes you can
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 01:11:01
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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We need some sort of reliability on those ds. How about an inquisitor with servo skulls from C:I ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 01:16:15
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pizzaguardian wrote:We need some sort of reliability on those ds. How about an inquisitor with servo skulls from C:I ?
Tried to stay within the x2 source books limitation some tournaments mandate.
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"Nothing is so exhilarating in life as to be shot at with no result."
- Winston Churchill
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 01:23:17
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
Inside Yvraine
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WrentheFaceless wrote:It warrants some experimenting, at least for the lower tougness multi wound annoying models. It's performance is pretty middling against even sub- MC multi-wound units, unfortunately. It takes ~14 shots on average to kill a single TWC model, and five shots to kill a single Chaos Spawn- 9 shots to kill a Nurgle Spawn. It looks to be pretty effective against swarms like nurglings and rippers though, I guess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 01:34:05
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Painnen wrote: pizzaguardian wrote:We need some sort of reliability on those ds. How about an inquisitor with servo skulls from C:I ?
Tried to stay within the x2 source books limitation some tournaments mandate.
It is mostly 2 detachments actually and not 2 source books nowadays, so that list is already passing that with having 3 detachments. (Well BAO and Nova is like that as far as i can check atm) Automatically Appended Next Post: BlaxicanX wrote: WrentheFaceless wrote:It warrants some experimenting, at least for the lower tougness multi wound annoying models.
It's performance is pretty middling against even sub- MC multi-wound units, unfortunately. It takes ~14 shots on average to kill a single TWC model, and five shots to kill a single Chaos Spawn- 9 shots to kill a Nurgle Spawn.
It looks to be pretty effective against swarms like nurglings and rippers though, I guess.
Which we already have incenerators for t3 stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 02:14:52
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Sneaky Kommando
North Carolina
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Apologies if this is in a FAQ somewhere I missed, but if you combat squad a unit with Brotherhood of psykers, how does that impact generating warp charges?
I could see some interesting shenanigans with combat squadding purifiers if it indeed grants a bonus two charges for squadding them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 02:26:41
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Auswin wrote:Apologies if this is in a FAQ somewhere I missed, but if you combat squad a unit with Brotherhood of psykers, how does that impact generating warp charges?
I could see some interesting shenanigans with combat squadding purifiers if it indeed grants a bonus two charges for squadding them.
Each squad counts separately and generates a charge each
So yes if you combat squad a 10 man purifier squad now, you'll get 4 dice out of it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 02:31:17
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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I'm betting on the psilencer being one of those really annoying things that will always end up working spectacularly against you, but horribly if you use it yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 02:38:48
Subject: Re:Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Brotherhood Champion got MURDERED. Straight up smashed face first into the dirt.
Cons
50 points more expensive.
-1ws
gains smash at the cost of attacks for everything in base contact or i10 d3 attacks
loses re-roll hits on charge
loses re-roll wounds
loses awesome Heroic Sacrifice
Pros
1 extra wound
Apparently Brotherhood Champions were super cheese tourny dominators before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 02:44:15
Subject: Re:Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Gargantuan Gargant
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katfude wrote:Brotherhood Champion got MURDERED. Straight up smashed face first into the dirt.
Cons
50 points more expensive.
-1ws
gains smash at the cost of attacks for everything in base contact or i10 d3 attacks
loses re-roll hits on charge
loses re-roll wounds
loses awesome Heroic Sacrifice
Pros
1 extra wound
Apparently Brotherhood Champions were super cheese tourny dominators before.
They're effectively an even crappier, pricier and psychic version of the Emperor's Champion, and the EC is already pretty iffy for the price you pay for him. Crowe fares a little better, now that he has IC status so he can actually hide in units, Unfortunately he's bad in the sense that outside of challenges he sucks even worse than BC since he lost his 4+ rending rule so he fights with a single CCW with no AP at all. Even with Hammerhand for a 175 HQ choice it is pretty terrible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 02:50:04
Subject: Re:Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Grimskul wrote:katfude wrote:Brotherhood Champion got MURDERED. Straight up smashed face first into the dirt.
Cons
50 points more expensive.
-1ws
gains smash at the cost of attacks for everything in base contact or i10 d3 attacks
loses re-roll hits on charge
loses re-roll wounds
loses awesome Heroic Sacrifice
Pros
1 extra wound
Apparently Brotherhood Champions were super cheese tourny dominators before.
They're effectively an even crappier, pricier and psychic version of the Emperor's Champion, and the EC is already pretty iffy for the price you pay for him. Crowe fares a little better, now that he has IC status so he can actually hide in units, Unfortunately he's bad in the sense that outside of challenges he sucks even worse than BC since he lost his 4+ rending rule so he fights with a single CCW with no AP at all. Even with Hammerhand for a 175 HQ choice it is pretty terrible.
Yeah, almost all of Crowe's abilities were nerfed along with the Champion since they shared a few. Crowe dies, throws one normal punch, doesn't rend and everyone laughs at his dumb, useless corpse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 02:55:17
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Wraith
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I've skimmed... I'll be enjoying my jerk chicken for dinner, but I have some stewed crow for some folks who derided me over the past week.
Then again, I'm the real "winner" as my army is unplayable as it stands without purchasing both a new book and several boxes of models to have two troops choices. Luckily I already fielded 3 Dreadknights, so I'm good there.
Or I'll keep investing in other games that don't invalidate players models and armies with new releases. You know, games that care about their players (or at least pretend a teeny bit).
Draigo does look awesome except the reduced toughness and strength, but I always fielded him with Paladins. His T5 was useful for FNP rolls. I see taking a Libby with the super TDA armor along with him since Coteaz is not as viable (though Libby + Draigo + Coteaz + Ordo Maleus + Paladins is probably the same points cost as the old unit?). But the points savings are now going to be eaten up by troop tax. And boy, does someone really not like power armor Grey Knights.
Edit: Sadly, Draigo is no longer an awesome inclusion in the "Mephistar" (Mephiston, Draigo, Corbulo, Preacher w/ Litanies in a Land Raider).
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:01:17
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Crow and the brotherhood champion have literally no purpose now, and Stern is barely useful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:03:31
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Wraith
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chnmmr wrote:Crow and the brotherhood champion have literally no purpose now, and Stern is barely useful.
They have plenty of uses for narrative forging!
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:07:45
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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TheKbob wrote:I've skimmed... I'll be enjoying my jerk chicken for dinner, but I have some stewed crow for some folks who derided me over the past week.
Then again, I'm the real "winner" as my army is unplayable as it stands without purchasing both a new book and several boxes of models to have two troops choices. Luckily I already fielded 3 Dreadknights, so I'm good there.
Or I'll keep investing in other games that don't invalidate players models and armies with new releases. You know, games that care about their players (or at least pretend a teeny bit).
Draigo does look awesome except the reduced toughness and strength, but I always fielded him with Paladins. His T5 was useful for FNP rolls. I see taking a Libby with the super TDA armor along with him since Coteaz is not as viable (though Libby + Draigo + Coteaz + Ordo Maleus + Paladins is probably the same points cost as the old unit?). But the points savings are now going to be eaten up by troop tax. And boy, does someone really not like power armor Grey Knights.
Edit: Sadly, Draigo is no longer an awesome inclusion in the "Mephistar" (Mephiston, Draigo, Corbulo, Preacher w/ Litanies in a Land Raider).
Nah brah. Every army is legal and legit. Unbound yo!
As an ork player thoroughly depressed about having an attrition army that is punished for taking casualties, I have to wonder. If every 7th edition book is horrible... and no one likes their army.... is the edition now balanced? Or is this a 'if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there' sort of thing. Is a game balanced if no one plays it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:10:24
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Wraith
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I look forward to running Grand Master *REDACTED* and his *REDACTED* Knights. It's going to be great. I'm gonna get some crappy Grey Knight Models and put giant black bars that say "++REDACTED++" over the figures. Then I'm gonna roll for warlord traits and be like "I forgot what they even had! PSH!" and then deep strike mishap them every game as a cheeky reference to their mishap out of the codex.
Should be a jolly good time, right?
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:17:59
Subject: Re:Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Wolves get awesome flyers that can 1 hit kill... our flyers lose their psyker killing missiles, can't swap weapons per the leak, and lose psychic pilot.
Wolves get a ton of dreadnought options... ours get nerfed.
Wolves get a new LoW model and chariot... ours gets a stat nerf.
Wolves get new models period... we lose half our codex.
Seriously, the only winners in this book are interceptors and the librarian (which is a huge upgrade, don't get me wrong, but now all you will see are librarians).
Even our cheaper dreadknight loses force on his doom/power fists. He has to buy the sword to get force back, and that's pretty much all it does.
Killing out psychic pilot on each vehicle only saved us 5pts per and we lost even more than we gained on most vehicles, especially with psybolt gone.
It's ok though, Purifiers get night vision. We're all good now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:18:22
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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I would honestly be okay with these... bland (to put it nicely) codexes if the designers would give us some rational insight into what's going on.
Just a statement like "we realizes some armies were too powerful and we are trying to dial back on some of the craziness to deliver a more consistent power base across all armies".
instead all I see is this horrifying game of russian roulette. Everytime a new book is released its like putting the gun to your head and praying it clicks and you get a good codex. But so far the chambers lately are all loaded, and the players are blowing their heads off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:27:53
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Wraith
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Goresaw wrote:I would honestly be okay with these... bland (to put it nicely) codexes if the designers would give us some rational insight into what's going on.
Just a statement like "we realizes some armies were too powerful and we are trying to dial back on some of the craziness to deliver a more consistent power base across all armies".
instead all I see is this horrifying game of russian roulette. Everytime a new book is released its like putting the gun to your head and praying it clicks and you get a good codex. But so far the chambers lately are all loaded, and the players are blowing their heads off.
I'd be okay with that notion, too. However, digging into my own limited knowledge on game design, it's been said that no one enjoys the nerfbat. Having something you enjoy, even if hilariously game breaking, go from good times to bad times is no bueno, more so in a hobby that involves hundreds of dollars and man hours of dedication. Instead, it can involve tweaking and making other options BETTER, not worse. People always spammed X? Was it because X was broken? If yes, tweak it, but not knee jerk. But is it because Y and Z are terrible choices? If yes, make those on par with X. We see it so often that a bunch of things get the nerf bat and then new "mono-builds," as it is said, pop out. Because only Y is good now and X is now bad and Z got worse, somehow.
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:33:17
Subject: Re:Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Dakka Veteran
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ya know what really blows, with the abomination this codex is, I doubt I could even get half of what I paid for it on eBay.
I wanna know why they decided to completely shat on this army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:38:01
Subject: Re:Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Regular Dakkanaut
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valace2 wrote:ya know what really blows, with the abomination this codex is, I doubt I could even get half of what I paid for it on eBay.
I wanna know why they decided to completely shat on this army.
I just finished painting my entire GK army myself, which also happens to be my first fully painted army....but with how this codex turned out I don't even
know if i want to actually field them anymore
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:39:31
Subject: Re:Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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valace2 wrote:ya know what really blows, with the abomination this codex is, I doubt I could even get half of what I paid for it on eBay.
I wanna know why they decided to completely shat on this army.
I don't think they view them as armies anymore to be honest. I think they believe that everyone has fully embraced the "Take as many FoCs and Allies as needed or go Unbound if your idea merits it" approach to army creation.
It's why you hear people who are upset that their "X unit is troops" army is invalidated. Technically they are still valid and have a multitude of new options never seen before. However many communities are not embracing the design studios ideas (Many of which do seem more motivated by sales than game design IMO) So you have this fundamental disconnect between creator and player.
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BlaxicanX wrote:A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:39:43
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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chnmmr wrote:Looks like an errata needs to come out telling me I can't equip my justicars with storm shields and plasma cutters. IE. Numerous entries stating they can take special issue gear >_>
Personal teleporting iron halo paladins with storm shields and plasma cutters.. heh... proofreading.
How come people think this every single codex?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 03:45:38
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Grey Knight Purgator firing around corners
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Why does Draigo have an Iron Halo AND a Storm Shield?
That's like saying you can ride this bike to work AND this Scooter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 04:00:19
Subject: Re:Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Well, all our opponents can now take our Vindicares and blow all his toys up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 04:07:14
Subject: Grey Knights are next ! - UPDATED 15/8 --- pre-order up on GW website
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Member of the Malleus
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ForeverARookie wrote:Why does Draigo have an Iron Halo AND a Storm Shield?
That's like saying you can ride this bike to work AND this Scooter.
Captains/ GMs have iron halos its a fluff thing
Draigo is a Supreme GM thus having the iron halo
They are all like that. Look at Lysander or a Chapter Master
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I make bad decisions and think they are good.
Team No Bueno
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 04:11:59
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Wraith
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MasterSlowPoke wrote: How come people think this every single codex? Because there are many people who's codex in reference is "their jam". Their army of choice and have spent a significant time on a special character, build or otherwise. Whatever the intentions (fluff, competitive, etc.), they identify with said choice as most people are want to do with their selections in life beyond even plastic army men. So if you spent a significant chunk of money and a large part of your time building and making a specific build to see it disappear is pretty heart breaking. On one end, you have builds that they enjoy go from playable to not. Or the worst, you see the entry entirely deleted. So you see this happening every single codex because Games Workshop keeps doing this absolute horse gak with every recent codex release. People have had spore pod Nids armies, Ork biker gangs, Guard artillery or Chenkov/Al'Raheam based factions, and more all go *poof* into either unbound messes or deleted. This is utter garbage and absolutely doesn't happen with other gaming companies. And if it does, they get equally lambasted for it. Games Workshop deserves every bit of torching for doing this to fans and the "Do No Wrong" party that even tries to cover for this lack empathy entirely on the matter; they are just as bad or worse than the company doing it. A game on it's Seventh Edition should not see army breaking game changes. katfude wrote:Well, all our opponents can now take our Vindicares and blow all his toys up. It fits the fluff reasons for having it, too. Technically he has 3 Invulnerable saves ( SS, IH, TDA). Lysander is like this too.
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/20 04:23:55
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Well I guess to all the MAD people saying there going to sell their stuff pm me pictures and your price I might just buy them. If you really even have a GK army I bet most the whiners own noda.
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