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Wow! TWC can join bikes! Damn.

I'm gonna need to trade for some more chaos warhounds.

Hm thats weird.

Heres the entry on TW with exact wording.

Models with a Thunderwolf Mount change their unit type to cavalry. All close combat attacks made by a model with a thunderwolf mount have the rending special rule. In addition a model upgraded to have a thunderwolf mount increases their s, t, a and w by 1.

Do i see that right and does that say that if you equip it with say a power sword you would have s: user ap3 rending? Or am i missing something. The restriction is just not there.


Thank you guys for asking those questions. Wouldve overlooked a lot of stuff if i wasnt answering your questions!

Wow. That's crazy good for rending power swords, mauls etc.

What are the special rules for Ulrik and list of wargear?

 Mywik wrote:
Hm thats weird.

Heres the entry on TW with exact wording.

Models with a Thunderwolf Mount change their unit type to cavalry. All close combat attacks made by a model with a thunderwolf mount have the rending special rule. In addition a model upgraded to have a thunderwolf mount increases their s, t, a and w by 1.

Do i see that right and does that say that if you equip it with say a power sword you would have s: user ap3 rending? Or am i missing something. The restriction is just not there

Thank you guys for asking those questions. Wouldve overlooked a lot of stuff if i wasnt answering your questions!

I would expect it to be FAQ'd, if they hadn't made it so abundantly clear... the loss of Rending on a base CCW was about the only reason to not look at throwing swords on these boys, but now its's under serious contention.

Thanks for answering all these questions more dude, in a completely anal way I am looking forward to updating my Army Excel workbook and comparing side by side...

HeavyMetalMan wrote:
What are the special rules for Ulrik and list of wargear?

Already answered a lot of questions regarding ulrik. Just look for my post history and you'll find that information.

does Canis still have the ability to buff fenrisian wolves? with Ini or LD or anything?

Unit size for twc? (I was sort of fantasizing about 10 man twc units tbh.)

Are Fenrisian Wolves still a unit or just an upgrade? And how many can you take as an upgrade?

Thanks again.

I think my Lonewolves are getting replaced by IP's on TW's. Holy crap they are sick.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Unit size for twc? (I was sort of fantasizing about 10 man twc units tbh.)

Just do max TWC, join a wolf lord and 3 IP's, pretty big TWC unit.

 pretre wrote:
Free invul on lords? Gak!

Chapter Master is 130 with a "free invul" and an extra wound and has orbital bombardment and the rule of mounted assault- so they aren't really that good.

Is the Wolf Claw really 20 for one for Terminator Wolf Guard- they used to be a +5 pt upgrade, I can't imagine they would quadruple the cost?

That's the PA cost. And of course chapter maters are better than company masters... I was comparing the cost to the old wolf lord cost.

 pretre wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
Is the FOC any different? Than say regular space marines?

Requires 2 HQ, 2 Troops, can take 6 HQ, outflanking and reroll warlord trait. It is uninspiring.

6 HQ? Christ, that is a lot.

sturguard wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Free invul on lords? Gak!

Chapter Master is 130 with a "free invul" and an extra wound and has orbital bombardment and the rule of mounted assault- so they aren't really that good.

Is the Wolf Claw really 20 for one for Terminator Wolf Guard- they used to be a +5 pt upgrade, I can't imagine they would quadruple the cost?

Because they massively increased the cost on basic Lightning Claws for other armies as well

 pretre wrote:

 Lord Lorne Walkier wrote:
WG not getting to equip Terminator heavy weapons is long over due. This seems to be the last step away from the cheese that started when they could get both a cyclone ML and a assault cannon. Was that 3rd Ed? /shiver

2nd

Wait, what? Hopefully I'm misunderstanding this. Space Wolves no longer have access to Cyclone Missile Launchers and Assault Cannons on Terminators? Or are Wolf Guard Terminators their own unit entry now?

 streamdragon wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Lord Lorne Walkier wrote:
WG not getting to equip Terminator heavy weapons is long over due. This seems to be the last step away from the cheese that started when they could get both a cyclone ML and a assault cannon. Was that 3rd Ed? /shiver

2nd

Wait, what? Hopefully I'm misunderstanding this. Space Wolves no longer have access to Cyclone Missile Launchers and Assault Cannons on Terminators? Or are Wolf Guard Terminators their own unit entry now?

Yes They are separate Units now.

My question is what are the sizes of both Wolf Guard. Are they still 3-10 or are they 5-10 now.

 Anpu42 wrote:


My question is what are the sizes of both Wolf Guard. Are they still 3-10 or are they 5-10 now.

The PA wolf guard are definitely 5-10 (see Spanish page leak)

Are Iron Priests LD8 like Codex: Space Marine's Techmarines, or are they LD9?

So far, it looks like a lot of it is C:SM for weapon/upgrade costs, and 5pt cheaper Rune Priests and Dreadnoughts. Rune Priests trade access to more Psychic Trees for Adamantium will, I suppose, though...

Gives them a 4+ Deny the Witch when they get casted on (baseline) though, so I suppose that's alright.

Points cost of grimnar?
Points cost of Ragnar?
What are their special rules? Living legend, high king, d3 attacks on charge?
Do long fang packs still have 5 heavy weapons?
Are there dedicated terminator squads?
What is Arjacs stateline and special rules and wargear ?

Thanks

If there is no mention of the 13 co and motw gone...what gives? This straight up space Viking crap now? Think there's a supplement in the works? And if no mention of 13 co what about the blank rune on the table

Kal-El wrote:
If there is no mention of the 13 co and motw gone...what gives? This straight up space Viking crap now? Think there's a supplement in the works? And if no mention of 13 co what about the blank rune on the table

They must be mentioned, as this is supposedly from the codex...



It's a shame they don't have rules, but 13th company have never had rules in the codex so it's nothing exceptional that they still don't.

I have to say I do not like the Pack leader upgrade. At first I thought I would as you could take 10 GHs get 2 meltas and the ldr 9 WG- however you sacrifice too much for that 1 meltagun.

First, your WGPL are now more expensive, they used to be 18 or 33 pts in Termie armor. Now you effectively pay 18 for the GH, 10 to upgrade (so 28 for a WG in power armor) and 10 more for Termie armor for 38 pts. Also, you could use all those pack leaders to build up and get some heavy weapons. So I could take a unit of 10 WG, keep 5 together as termies, put 5 as pack leaders and have 2 with heavy weapons I could allocate. This certainly wasn't broken or cheesy as you were spending hundreds of points to end up with 2 very expensive CML models (63 pts each). Now, on top of paying more for every pack leader you then have to purchase 10 more Terminator WG to every get 2 heavy weapons, which won't happen as they are too much of an investment. Man, GW really didn't want us to be able to shoot anything larger than a bolter. Do you think they have ever read the Horus Heresy novels?


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Pretre- you mentioned cheaper Fenrisian wolves- I dont see that, it says 8 pts each, which is what they currently are, unless you are referencing something else.


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As far as Harad goes, why would you want to outflank him? His unit cant shoot when they enter and he loses the benefit of making other cav units around him stubborn and at his leadership value. Also, you want your TWC to attract fire and take the heat off your other units, rather than them coming in piecemeal. Personally for 200 pts you can get a bog standard TWCL with stormshield and pfist. I would much rather have the ability to one punch enemies and have them strike last the next combat round than hit them with ap3 and wound on 3's and 4's for bigger guys.

Why would you put TWC with a bike unit, you slow them down and they can't turbo boost. If anything I would guess they would be better with Skyclaws as both can move 12, although the claws arent fleet so you wouldnt reroll charge range if the claws moved 12 inches during the movement phase. No, TWC are best with TWC or put him with a unit of blood claws in a Landraider, I would think they are extremely bulking and take up 5 spots?

are TWC still have rending or not?
though 40 pts each is worth taking even without it IMO

sturguard wrote:
Why would you put TWC with a bike unit, you slow them down and they can't turbo boost. If anything I would guess they would be better with Skyclaws as both can move 12, although the claws arent fleet so you wouldnt reroll charge range if the claws moved 12 inches during the movement phase. No, TWC are best with TWC or put him with a unit of blood claws in a Landraider, I would think they are extremely bulking and take up 5 spots?

Some of us never Turbo-Boost?
I would love to take Harald and a bunch of Wolf Guard Bikers and outflank with them.

What interest me more is putting a Wolf Priest or Rune Priest with my TWC.

So Lukas the Trickster was 15 points a bloodclaw +140. 155 total.
I think I read that you said he is now only 80 points right?
His pelt has changed I think for the better but does he still have the last laugh?
If they didn't take away anything I think he could be fun to field now.

Thank you.

isch2929 wrote:
So Lukas the Trickster was 15 points a bloodclaw +140. 155 total.
I think I read that you said he is now only 80 points right?
His pelt has changed I think for the better but does he still have the last laugh?
If they didn't take away anything I think he could be fun to field now.

Thank you.

I'm pretty sure it was described earlier in the thread that last laugh had a major nerf. Maybe it was another thread, getting hard to keep track, lol.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

isch2929 wrote:
So Lukas the Trickster was 15 points a bloodclaw +140. 155 total.
I think I read that you said he is now only 80 points right?
His pelt has changed I think for the better but does he still have the last laugh?
If they didn't take away anything I think he could be fun to field now.

Thank you.

I'm pretty sure it was described earlier in the thread that last laugh had a major nerf. Maybe it was another thread, getting hard to keep track, lol.

The ability to remove a titan on a 4+ was a little OP. Granted when the last laugh first came out things like titans weren't on every battlefield in the universe. My how times have changed. However, he is still has a pretty good chance of removing that big nasty as long as it was in a challenge.

 Jayden63 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

isch2929 wrote:
So Lukas the Trickster was 15 points a bloodclaw +140. 155 total.
I think I read that you said he is now only 80 points right?
His pelt has changed I think for the better but does he still have the last laugh?
If they didn't take away anything I think he could be fun to field now.

Thank you.

I'm pretty sure it was described earlier in the thread that last laugh had a major nerf. Maybe it was another thread, getting hard to keep track, lol.

The ability to remove a titan on a 4+ was a little OP. Granted when the last laugh first came out things like titans weren't on every battlefield in the universe. My how times have changed. However, he is still has a pretty good chance of removing that big nasty as long as it was in a challenge.

It wasn't 4+, it was 7/12, but yeah, it was a bit crazy. However I don't think it needed to be nerfed to hell like it was, they could have just said all super heavy vehicles and gargantuan creatures were immune, or maybe they lost D3 hull points.

The point of models like Lukas is that it forced your opponent to NOT throw everything including the kitchen sink at him. I liked that.

I think lukas and his blood claws are quite viable now he has taken a considerable points drop. It's a lot easier to stomach at 80 points....


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Also - Op, do iron priests gain normal techmarine rules like bolster defenses?

Well, I think SW have lost part of their uniqueness, haven't they?