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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:

A single ship is not just a painted model, it's everything you need to use it in a variety of ways.

You mean it's a single ship and a bunch of rules where two corvettes are a match for a VSD. So, it's just a single ship. And some trash.

The rules certainly aren't worth $20 of that $40 price tag. Frankly, I don't want my money reimbursing them for rules I will never play. And the minis are not worth $40 or whatever the price point is.

Bob, get, the F*** over it.

It's a starter box. Starter boxes won't be entirely balanced because it's just too small a number of ships. It's like expecting a starter box in any other game you play to be completely balanced.

Second, it's 2 smaller ships, backed up by the best space superiority fighter. Just look at the demo and see how much better the basic X-Wings are to the TIE fighter squads.

Third, it's a god damned space fantasy, and if you want to talk authenticity, there's plenty of instances where they show a small number of fighters blowing up star destroyers left and right.

Lastly, fine, you've made your post known. So go buy and play other games instead of incessant, childish whining over what amounts to toys. I mean, you keep coming back to this thread to bring the talk back to your incessant whining, then there's better things to be done with your life.

Heck, FFG and Star Wars doesn't need any defending from a nobody like me. You don't like what they're doing with it? Start your own multimillion dollar gaming company, outbid them for the license next time it's up for grabs, and do it the way you want to.

The costs for the ships don't bother me so much. I mean no one (other than MajorTom) is going to be buying all that many of them, so $40 for a second VSD isn't such an issue. It's the fighters that bother me. Not painted, tiny models, yet they're priced like everything else. That strikes me as wrong.

What I take from most of this thread:

*Runs in circle waving hands*

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

I understand the price issue, but holy crap some of you guys are bitter about a game that doesn't come out for at least five months. I saw everything in the flesh today at Gencon (including the surprise ships), and while I will be conservative with my purchasing when it comes out, I am still very much exited about Armada.

As long as they come with a good deal of other stuff (cards, etc) 20bucks which will then be discounted online is not bad for 8 fighter stands on 25mm bases, with what a single ship costs in X-Wing. Even unpainted.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The costs for the ships don't bother me so much. I mean no one (other than MajorTom) is going to be buying all that many of them, so $40 for a second VSD isn't such an issue. It's the fighters that bother me. Not painted, tiny models, yet they're priced like everything else. That strikes me as wrong.

Do we know the quantity of fighters per blister for sure? Them being non painted hopefully means there's more but if not then yeah I agree. "Total cost of play" is definitely more important in general than cost per model for a gamer but one does impact the other.

Seconding I'm still very interested in this.

Is it 2 stands of each type in the fighter boxes, Aegis, to make 8 total? How is the reception at GenCon, sounds like they're getting pretty much mobbed? They certainly were when I went last year, and that was with new announcements for only one Star Wars game!

I'm not sure of the complete makeup,but everything I have heard leads me to believe it's 8 fighters which it seems likely would be split evenly. But don't quote me on it at all yet.

And yeah the display case is getting mobbed. It took me almost ten minutes to get the wife close enough to show it to her. Luckily it was just after the reveal of the additional ships so it was worth it. I really wanna demo the game, but it's hard to even get close enough to SEE the demo table because at times it was five-six ranks deep of people taking a hundred friggin' photos with their phones.

The presentation pic a page or so back shows eight stands, so that indicates to me that's how many will be in the box. That works ou to about $2.50 a stand.

Which any 40K player should see as a delightful blast from the past in pricing, lol.

$2.50 a stand seems reasonable, especially pre-discounter.

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Which any 40K player should see as a delightful blast from the past in pricing, lol.

Yeah it amounts to $2.50 per miniature basically? $25 for a 10 man squad from GW is a price I'm actually willing to pay - and I *did* pay recently, from a discounter the SM Strike Force came out to $24 for a 10 man tac squad which was reasonable I thought. From a discounter these will be even cheaper.

I can't wait for more ships to come out. I 'm really looking forward to some ISD's just so we can get Thrawn as a Captain of one and maybe just maybe a SSD.

$2.50 for a stand of three fighters, with the associated paraphernalia of cards and so on, sounds extremely cheap.

I reeeaaallly hope they release a dedicated carrier so you can just run tie swarms. I want hundreds of them and I'll lovingly paint each and every one of them!

 Yonan wrote:
I reeeaaallly hope they release a dedicated carrier so you can just run tie swarms. I want hundreds of them and I'll lovingly paint each and every one of them!

That was my first thought as well. Some single big star destroyer variant with a ton of hanger bays.

I too hope for a carrier. Though it sounds like you can't get too carried away as you are tabled without a capital ship.

Yes. Generic Escort Carriers available to both sides!

 Eldarain wrote:
I too hope for a carrier. Though it sounds like you can't get too carried away as you are tabled without a capital ship.

"Losing your capital" is just another way of saying "not enough fighters" ; p /kid

Is a carrier even required in order to field any fighters? I think it was mentioned earlier that you have to pay points for the fighters, so they don't automatically come with the ship.

I think it's more that you can field a ship that can carry fighters like a VSD, but it doesn't automatically come with fighters. if you want to fill up some or all of its fighter complement you pay extra points to do that. For Imperials at least I imagine that's how it works as their fighters don't have hyperdrives. Rebel fighters (the ones I know of at least) all have hyperdrives so you'll no doubt be able to take them standalone. It might be the case that you don't need a carrier for them but I hope not as that's part of the whole Imperial fighter thing, needing support like that.

Imperial fighters should be limited by the amount of fighter bays they have. Imperial fighters don't have hyperdrives (aside from Avengers, Defenders and a few others), so unlike the Rebels they have to have ships that can carry fighters.

Well, they might throw in that 4 TIE carrier ship seen in the latest animations. I can see the next major ship variation being a cluster of smaller ships, too small to be their own thing. Flights of firesprays and militarized YT-XXXXs.

A group of those carrying a few flights of TIEs are an option.

The fewer YT's the better. They're over-represented, especially from a military point of view. They're freighters FFS, and most of them should remain that way.

As far as that carrier from Rebels, yeah, it's possible, but an Escort Carrier is generic enough and useful enough to fill the role for both sides.

Armada versions of the GR-75 along with other ships like the Carrack Cruiser, Dreadnoughts, Interdictors, Lancer Frigates (my personal fav), Strike Cruisers and other things like, for the Rebels, a Quasar-Class Bulk Cruiser (in place of a Rebel Escort Carrier), an alternate Assault Frigate, Neutron-Class Bulk Cruisers, the mighty Bulwark (which honestly looks like the front of a ship missing its middle and rear), and, of course, the DP20 Corellian Gunship!

There so much to choose from.

Although... the ship they have listed as Assault Frigate III, isn't that an Assault Frigate II? Never heard of a III variant before.

Yeah I'm not a fan of YTs in a military setting for that reason. Smugglers sure, but up-gunning a freighter for combat is far less efficient than just getting a fighter. Escort carrier seems the best bet but there are definitely lots of options. I'm a fan of the Lancers too ; ) There's also the Star Galleon though she isn't the prettiest and she's more an armed transport I think.

Is it confirmed that the fighters will be unpainted or did they just not have factory colors ready for the demo on them?

Im loving the look of this. I was very concerned by the price point of the starter, and i do still think that FFG are abusing the popularity of X wing to a certain extent but the Gameplay vid has me totally sold.

With regards to the CR90s enhanced profile it is probably worth remembering that it is one of the more iconic vessels in the Star Wars universe, after all it is the very first ship we EVER saw! So im cool with a little creative licensing with its role. It will be great to see what other ships are featured as time goes on.

As for the scale of the game im not too bothered, once i saw the pricing on the core set i figured it wouldn't be mass fleet actions. Once i checked out the gameplay vid i figured out why. The gameplay mechanics are WAY too complicated and in depth to have loads of ships per side. Again, im cool with this, im sure they will work their way up to larger ships ala X wing so the ISD at about 50 quid would be ok in my eyes. I envisage games of 4-5 capital ships a side at a maximum which seems managable to me.

And with a final word to the expansion prices, yeah they are a little high i guess but there seems to be a lot more paraphernalia associated with this game than with X wing . More plastic counters, more counters in general and also more complicated accessories, bits that move and turn and not all made out of card either, i mean the fighter packs come with more than one flying base each this time for a start!. Time will tell i guess and i would have at least liked to see the core set come in at only double X wing rather than triple but hey. Star Wars is massive right now and FFG knows it.


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 Surtur wrote:
Is it confirmed that the fighters will be unpainted or did they just not have factory colors ready for the demo on them?

Confirmed that fighters are unpainted unfortunately. that is one bug bear i have, last thing i need is more stuff to paint!

I think it's in the official product description that squadrons will come unpainted.

And regarding TIEs not having hyperdrive, I see that Victory class SD can carry 2 squadron of TIES but in the demo there were 3 squadrons. So I think the limit of TIEs would just be their point cost.

The fighters at least do use plastic that's an appropriate base color for that faction.

For example, TIEs are in that neutral grey plastic. X-Wings are in that off-white plastic. So all it would take is a few dabs of paint, slather on some wash or ink, seal and you're set.

It might also be the case that they didn't have any other ships to show. Everything at the demo was labeled as Beta, not only that, the game isn't scheduled for release until Q1 2015, so that's a long time away.

 Vertrucio wrote:
... the game isn't scheduled for release until Q1 2015, so that's a long time away.

That is an excellent point. Hopefully the demos at GenCon will give them a wealth of new info to go over for any possible changes.

 Vertrucio wrote:
The fighters at least do use plastic that's an appropriate base color for that faction.

For example, TIEs are in that neutral grey plastic. X-Wings are in that off-white plastic. So all it would take is a few dabs of paint, slather on some wash or ink, seal and you're set.

I'll paint them properly but for people who couldn't be donkeyed that's very handy, and a great idea in general.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
As for the scale of the game im not too bothered, once i saw the pricing on the core set i figured it wouldn't be mass fleet actions. Once i checked out the gameplay vid i figured out why. The gameplay mechanics are WAY too complicated and in depth to have loads of ships per side. Again, im cool with this, im sure they will work their way up to larger ships ala X wing so the ISD at about 50 quid would be ok in my eyes. I envisage games of 4-5 capital ships a side at a maximum which seems managable to me.

I really should watch the gameplay and not just go "oooh shiny!" 4-5 caps for standard games is ample imo. As has been said elsewhere if you want to increase the points limit go for it but the game isn't really designed for it which is perfectly fine.

Not really that concerned about the unpainted escorts. I've added details to most of my X-Wing stuff anyway and will no doubt do the same for these, and looking at the size of them it should be a very quick job.

 Vertrucio wrote:

It might also be the case that they didn't have any other ships to show. Everything at the demo was labeled as Beta, not only that, the game isn't scheduled for release until Q1 2015, so that's a long time away.

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

Damn, didn't realise it was that far away?

Can anyone at Gencon steal a Star Destroyer for me to please? I'm not sure I can wait that long!

Most of this is known, but here are the highlights from yesterday's In Flight Report at GenCon.

Star Wars Armada
* 2 Player game with capital ships. Releases 1Q2015 for $100 base set.
* This game is NOT X-Wing with big ships. The play is completely different. New movement stuff and lots of rules that are different.
* First Wave: All of the ships in the starters set will also be sold separately.
* Also in first wave: 2 capital ships. Rebel Assault Frigate Mark 3 and an Imperial Gladiator Star Destroyer. 2 fighter kits with 8 squadrons each. Rebels have X-wings, B-wings, Y wings, and some other stuff. Imps get more Tie Fighters, Tie Advanced, and bombers and maybe other things. Kronk can only write so fast.