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2014/08/19 09:29:34
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.
The bad -
Everything is floating.
Kinda agree there, Fantasy range in general has suffered from too many 'dynamic' poses over last few years. Special poses (flying, leaping etc) are cool in moderation, when everyone's special, they stop being special.
OTOH, floating should be pretty easy to fix? Snip snip, voilà, everyone's properly grounded again.
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2014/08/19 10:06:47
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.
So that's ANOTHER book of mine that will be obsolete?! Oy vey.
I've only been back in the hobby for a few years and I've already got nearly £200 worth of literature that's... well, worthless.
I always did prefer the Undead as opposed to the undead factions so I'll probably pick that book up, though. DAMMIT.
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2014/08/19 10:10:55
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.
2014/08/19 10:15:32
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.
But it's made by GW! We are obliged to say it sucks!
Yeah, I don't see what's wrong with it at all. I think he looks really cool - just like all the other releases.
ImAGeek wrote: Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.
Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.
yeah maybe - The TK and most of the VC would seem him destroyed or at least not active so maybe Neferata's being devious again and trying/going get rid of him that way - maybe manipulate Arkhan again. Not sure the TK's would serve willing even with threats...............
I just hope its not to far from the BL fluff I really enjoy (Nagash Trilogy and Blood of Nagash plus related works)............ah well if it is I 'll just have to ignore it and live with that
they are nice tempting models ...................
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tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
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2014/08/19 12:30:27
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.
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2014/08/19 12:42:16
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh. The beard is obviously artistic licence, and beards don't have bones, but it is a nod to the Egyptian beards seen on tombs. Are we looking for realistic on a giant floating undead lord? All that is nitpicking at what is an awesome and ambitious sculpt.
However, it shouldn't look small in relation to the rest of the body, which would also look smaller without its flesh. The skull should be proportionate to the entire body.
In generally accepted artistic proportions, the distance from the belly button to the chin should be twice the distance from the chin to the top of the head. This model has the distance from navel to chin as being three times the length of chin to crown of head, even allowing for there being a whole heck of a lot of head underneath the headdress. Shoulder to elbow should be 1.5 heads in length; this model's upper arm appears to be two heads in length.
This theme is consistent throughout every body part. Compared to the norms of artistic representations of the human form, this model's head is just too small. This might have been a specific artistic choice, but it makes the model look pin-headed.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.
But it does have to do with what is generally perceived as aesthetically appealing.
One would think that said warpstone exposure that caused his growth would also have extended to his head.
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2014/08/19 12:44:04
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.
It warped everything but his head?
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2014/08/19 12:50:14
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
ImAGeek wrote: Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.
Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.
yeah maybe - The TK and most of the VC would seem him destroyed or at least not active so maybe Neferata's being devious again and trying/going get rid of him that way - maybe manipulate Arkhan again. Not sure the TK's would serve willing even with threats...............
I just hope its not to far from the BL fluff I really enjoy (Nagash Trilogy and Blood of Nagash plus related works)............ah well if it is I 'll just have to ignore it and live with that
they are nice tempting models ...................
It was mentioned earlier that she's joined Nagash to rule Lahmia again and not out of loyalty.
So typical Neferata stuff
2014/08/19 13:01:43
Subject: Re:WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
These new models are...horrific, and not in the way intended. I genuinely do not understand the positive reception they seem to be getting, because all of them are textbook examples of GW's tendency towards ludicrously over-the-top models - both in terms of size and design. The overwhelming theme, repeated ad nauseum across all of them, is 'bones everywhere', as if it won't be clear they are undead unless the models are plastered with them. Nagash, in particular, is practically nothing but bone-fashioned gear, with a hat that is taller than his entire torso. I'm also not a fan of the fact that they all apparently need to be floating to add even more height, yet leaving them very fragile and again, cluttering the aesthetic with unnecessary details.
The new mounts for Nagash's generals, though, take the cake - they are literally filled with skulls. Is the overabundance of skulls in GW's designs not something that has been criticised over and over again? (Rightly so). So why is acceptable now?
I can't help but feel that people might be getting a little swept up in the fact that it's Nagash, and as a result not turning such a critical eye to the actual design. A big model plastered with lots of detail does not automatically mean its a good one, and the fact that it is Nagash does not give it a free pass on the questionable design choices.
It would be a much better figure if the hat, beard, bone-tacles and tabard were removed, as well just mounting him on a base by his feet rather than the 'ghosts and books' piece. But if I'm honest, I'd far rather have something like this:
Man.. nothing there is convincing me to dust off my VCs and get back into WHFB at all.
Manfred and the winged skeleton things I would like to see in person, there is potential there. If I could walk into my local GW and pick up and examine a store model or something I might be tempted to buy one, but they don't do that anymore so I guess I wont be.
Maybe I've just become a huge model snob but I really just can't see what people are excited about here. Now the Creature Caster zombie dragon, that is a larger scale undead unit I NEED to get my hands on and have half a dozen ideas for without even stopping to ask myself if I can afford it.
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2014/08/19 13:19:54
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Was hoping to see the new Vermin Lord that was rumoured!
Overall, I like most of them. I think Neferata is a huge disappointment face/headress wise, but other than that all look really good. I'll definitely be picking up some/all at some point
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2014/08/19 13:43:17
Subject: Re:WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
tyrannosaurus wrote: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Nagash's head looks small. Surely it's obvious that It is a skull without flesh, therefore will look smaller than one with flesh.
No, that's just stupid. The bare skull is not significantly smaller than the head. The cranium, in particular, is only covered by a few millimeters of scalp.
I hate to state the obvious, but dear old Nagash has been warped drastically by his exposure to warpstone and is 3 stories tall(!) Basic anatomy really has no meaning at this point.
It warped everything but his head?
So it would seem. It does look wierd though...
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2014/08/19 13:48:21
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
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Sign me up.
Except it's not lava. If you look closely, you'll see it's filled with skulls that are painted to look hellish and burning.
Which is still pretty metal.
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2014/08/19 13:51:17
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
ImAGeek wrote: Well it's a new army list I think, Undead Legions, so VC and TK won't be obsolete. I don't think? Not yet at least.
Yeah, it's a new list.
With some bloody awesome toys, though.
Ahhh I see! Well I'm sure I'll have £30 kicking around somewhere....
Spoiler:
Agreed, those toys look ridiculously good fun.
I think that was my first ever GW knee jerk reaction
Well, the book is £50... Sorry man.
Ah well... We'll see what Father Christmas brings me, assuming Infinity hasn't fully consumed me.
I'm with you. I really like these models and want to get the book (partly just so I haven't wasted a bunch of money I spent on WHF not too lomg ago) but Infinity and the Horus Heresy have been where my focus is of late.
2014/08/19 14:33:54
Subject: Re:WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
2014/08/19 14:41:37
Subject: Re:WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
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spaceelf wrote: I suppose it is better than losing the entire Kislev army. Given that GWs fluff is derived from history, do we blame this on Putin?
But did that comment mean "Kislev is no more, forever more" or that "Kislev has been left devastated in the wake"? Because taking a beating is kinda what Kislev does. Then they get back up again.
This release makes me very nostalgic for the original Undead army book. Brings a tear to me eye. In a good way.
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