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2014/08/19 16:53:17
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
I would have liked ghostly fire instead of filled with skulls nightmares, but i will probably buy a mortarch kit, Nagash, and possibly the books for my Birthday in November.
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2014/08/19 16:57:00
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Well I have to say that Nagash looks superb to me. I think it is just one of those kits that collectors and painters will buy, and there seem like a fair few 40k conversion possibilities too. Whether people buy Undead armies as a result is different matter.
MalusCalibur wrote: I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
Bone constructs have been a staple of fantasy imagery for decades. You might not like the execution of GW's variant, but it's nowhere near the ridiculousness of having skull pits under metal pavement or mounds of skulls piling up against a trench wall, which is what people generally have an issue with.
2014/08/19 16:57:58
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Does the kit that makes Neferata come with a version on foot? You know, in case her mount gets killed? Because I might consider getting her then. If I have to convert up my own on-foot version of that big hat I'm going to be very angry with GW.
Emperor's Eagles (undergoing Chapter reorganization)
Caledonian 95th (undergoing regimental reorganization)
Thousands Sons (undergoing Warband re--- wait, are any of my 40K armies playable?)
2014/08/19 17:08:38
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Well I have to say that Nagash looks superb to me. I think it is just one of those kits that collectors and painters will buy, and there seem like a fair few 40k conversion possibilities too. Whether people buy Undead armies as a result is different matter.
After reading it elsewhere, I feel compelled to share: Imagine that Nagash miniature tied by a piece of string to a ceiling fan...
isn't that being mean to poor nagash? him spinning around the room; then string breaks and he flies into a wall and dies...again....horribly
i hope, in time, GW releases rules for "proper" epic heroes/villains.
I'm still waiting for a proper "living" lord kroak (the one described in the 6e, 7e, 8e army book as destroying demon armies with a mere gesture, and raising entire continents with a spell, and casting such powerful spells, that time and reality started to rip apart (yet he kept on going)...
And imagine sigmar, or Aenarion in terms of combat ...
Regards,
Sanjay
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2014/08/19 17:28:04
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
New around here, huh?
What does that have to do with what MalusCalibur said?
The revelation that GW likes lots of skulls.
I specifically addressed GW's love of skulls in my original post, so no, it is not a revelation nor am I 'new around here'. You seem to have entirely missed my point - I have always agreed with the criticism of the skull-overload, and was questioning why it is apparently lacking when discussing this latest batch of releases, where we have a monstrous mount literally filled with skulls. I was also debating the explanation that the skull/bone explosion 'makes sense now', because I consider it an underwhelming and poorly thought-out way to convey the themes of the undead aesthetic just to stick a load of bones and skulls on the models.
MalusCalibur wrote: I disagree. Undead does not equate to 'all is skulls'; in fact I'd argue it's a very simplistic and lazy way to convey the theme - doubly so when taken to such extremes as in this latest batch of models.
Bone constructs have been a staple of fantasy imagery for decades. You might not like the execution of GW's variant, but it's nowhere near the ridiculousness of having skull pits under metal pavement or mounds of skulls piling up against a trench wall, which is what people generally have an issue with.
Agreed - but I'd hardly consider a bone-tabard, bone-hat or bone-tacles to be categorised under 'constructs' in the same vein as the Tomb King ones (Giant, Scorpion, Catapult). And I'll say again, there is a monstrous mount that is filled with skulls. They don't form any real part of the creatures' structure nor do they offer it any kind of mobility or combat advantage - they're just there. How does that not fall into the same category of idiocy as the examples you listed?
2014/08/19 17:41:40
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Why? Most of the stuff you can't even use cause its too many points.. IE any lord on a monster mount for the most part (because all of the ones shown are wizards)
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2014/08/19 17:49:46
Subject: Warhammer Fantasy Battle: The End is Nigh.....pics 1st post.
In case you are interested, here is my response to Tom:
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2014/08/19 18:25:08
Subject: Re:WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
MalusCalibur wrote: Agreed - but I'd hardly consider a bone-tabard, bone-hat or bone-tacles to be categorised under 'constructs' in the same vein as the Tomb King ones (Giant, Scorpion, Catapult). And I'll say again, there is a monstrous mount that is filled with skulls. They don't form any real part of the creatures' structure nor do they offer it any kind of mobility or combat advantage - they're just there. How does that not fall into the same category of idiocy as the examples you listed?
Because the context is, or rather can be different. One can be explained within the setting to be anything (including not being actual skulls at all) - a power source, a soul prison, hive consciousness of the beats, a weapon waiting to be unleashed, etc, etc. The other begs the question as to why is there a mass grave consisting exclusively of skulls beneath the road and not much else.
One can tell a story, the other cannot.
As for Nagash, bone ornaments are nothing uncommon in fantasy. Sure, the bonetacles and boneard might not the best part about the model, but I wouldn't decry the use of cartilage as a decorative element as something fundamentally lazy.
2014/08/19 18:26:37
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
StarFyre wrote: isn't that being mean to poor nagash? him spinning around the room; then string breaks and he flies into a wall and dies...again....horribly
i hope, in time, GW releases rules for "proper" epic heroes/villains.
I'm still waiting for a proper "living" lord kroak (the one described in the 6e, 7e, 8e army book as destroying demon armies with a mere gesture, and raising entire continents with a spell, and casting such powerful spells, that time and reality started to rip apart (yet he kept on going)...
And imagine sigmar, or Aenarion in terms of combat ...
Regards,
Sanjay
For the most part, I'm happy if GW leave the mega-heroes to the imagination for the most part. One or two here and there like Nagash is ok, but I don't really want WHFB to become like 40k with it's Lords of War.
2014/08/19 18:47:45
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
2014/08/19 18:52:01
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Fantasy maybe becoming more boss oriented? Shall we see "forge the narrative" moved to WHFB?
I like the new models. I would assume (lord have mercy) there will be foot versions of the vampires as well - sold separately of course.
Also, anyone photo shop Nagash/Knight/Eldar Barbie mating for some wicked dark eldar "knights" or Chaos Knight conversions?
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2014/08/19 19:11:44
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Ha, I have no idea how you would game with some of those models, but they made me laugh in a good way. Steeds full of skulls? I dunno, I felt like it fits in with the tongue in cheek style GW used to have before the grimdark super seriousness.
The spirit hosts are just awesome. Great concept and great execution. I thought GW's SW release was lazy, but I tip my cap for this release. Good stuff.
2014/08/19 19:36:42
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Fugazi wrote: Ha, I have no idea how you would game with some of those models, but they made me laugh in a good way. Steeds full of skulls? I dunno, I felt like it fits in with the tongue in cheek style GW used to have before the grimdark super seriousness.
The spirit hosts are just awesome. Great concept and great execution. I thought GW's SW release was lazy, but I tip my cap for this release. Good stuff.
Agreed! The old models just didn't strike me as particularly terrifying opponents...
I think in response everyone should start posting pics of the original Nagash model, claiming that is the new one.
This kind of BS is really too much for such a small industry. it's just ugly, and leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I can't understand how anyone would support a company that lays the smackdown on its biggest fans like this.
Why am I reminded of King Canute with GW's legal team?
GW's legal team reminds me of Yertle the Turtle.
Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
2014/08/19 20:22:14
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
This aspect of the model bothers me as well, that and the gen hat size, i also feel that they are over using the floating of spirits theme a bit much, but really nobody ever accused GW of having great proportions on their models and i love the new hosts. Overall i think this is more win than miss, which i havent said about a GW release for awhile now.
Emperor's Eagles (undergoing Chapter reorganization)
Caledonian 95th (undergoing regimental reorganization)
Thousands Sons (undergoing Warband re--- wait, are any of my 40K armies playable?) 
Renegades - 
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 
