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Other than the antennae on the mantis space lady figure, those are some nice scifi minis. From a quick google search, the starfinder label is apparently the scifi game from Paizo, makers of Pathfinder.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 MalusCalibur wrote:

It's not just you. It's one thing to have 'cute' soldiers and tanks (lord knows I love me some Advance Wars), but to represent the actual war so 'on-the-nose' like this is quite another. By all means have designs inspired by real-world military (case in point, AW does exactly that), but make up your own nations/factions/etc and background, and put some distance between the silly fun miniatures game and a real-life war that remains in living memory for some, else it can come across highly disrespectful.

I don't remember anybody complaining about Heroes of Normandie, Rivet Wars, Hogan's Heroes, little green army men, or any of the thousands of disrespectful toys, games, movies, and tv shows that have happened in the past 70 years. Is it disrespectful to set a comedy in a concentration camp? Is it disrespectful to have games where the allies fight supernatural Nazis, like Achtung Cthulhu!, Zombie Army Trilogy, Hellboy, Shadows Over Normandie, Wolfenstein, or you know, Indiana Jones? I think BattleLore has fairly cute figures (dwarves riding on cows), but there's an Agincourt scenario in it. Is that in bad taste too? Is there a time limit on disrespect?

At some point, we, as a culture, have to move on from the past so that we can learn from it and play with its concepts in order to produce new works of art and commerce. These Guts figures aren't worthy of even the mildest outrage. It's open season on WW2 and has been for quite a while.

The difference for me is, that in most of games/movies etc you mentioned, the Nazis are presented either as straight out villains, or are parodied or otherwise made fun of. In many cases there are also some tropes that come into play like the connection of Nazis and the supernatural. And while Hogans Heroes made fun of them (btw it played in a POW camp not a concentration Camp) I doubt that gutz will have the wits that this show had. In general it looks like they wanted to copy rivet wars but they didn't thought it through. Aside of that I just Think that chibi style simply doesn't fit that theme.

And I don't wanted to make a general Statement, I just wanted to express what I think and feel when Ich see this.

German troops looks fine. Can't see what all the fuss is about...

 Seneca wrote:

The difference for me is, that in most of games/movies etc you mentioned, the Nazis are presented either as straight out villains, or are parodied or otherwise made fun of. In many cases there are also some tropes that come into play like the connection of Nazis and the supernatural. And while Hogans Heroes made fun of them (btw it played in a POW camp not a concentration Camp) I doubt that gutz will have the wits that this show had. In general it looks like they wanted to copy rivet wars but they didn't thought it through. Aside of that I just Think that chibi style simply doesn't fit that theme.

First of all, with regard to the concentration camp, I was referring to Life Is Beautiful.

Second, there were millions of German soldiers, many of which died basically as kids. There were fathers, sons, brothers, teachers, husbands, butchers, mechanics, writers, and professions of every sort. Not every Nazi soldier was a sadistic psychopath that experimented on prisoners in concentration camps. Some of them were border guards, messengers, cooks, and secretaries - and many of them were victims to politics out of their control.

The Allied soldiers were not angels either and committed their fair share of wartime atrocities, like killing civilians, children, and unarmed soldiers. War is never clean and it is never just the good guys versus the bad guys. There were villains on both sides and heroes on both sides - at least at the soldier level - but history is written by the victors, and so they get the better PR.

But at some point, we're going to make little plastic miniatures out of soldiers - out of real people who killed and died - and at the point that we are already denying that for our entertainment, why does making them chibi suddenly matter?

 Seneca wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 MalusCalibur wrote:

It's not just you. It's one thing to have 'cute' soldiers and tanks (lord knows I love me some Advance Wars), but to represent the actual war so 'on-the-nose' like this is quite another. By all means have designs inspired by real-world military (case in point, AW does exactly that), but make up your own nations/factions/etc and background, and put some distance between the silly fun miniatures game and a real-life war that remains in living memory for some, else it can come across highly disrespectful.

I don't remember anybody complaining about Heroes of Normandie, Rivet Wars, Hogan's Heroes, little green army men, or any of the thousands of disrespectful toys, games, movies, and tv shows that have happened in the past 70 years. Is it disrespectful to set a comedy in a concentration camp? Is it disrespectful to have games where the allies fight supernatural Nazis, like Achtung Cthulhu!, Zombie Army Trilogy, Hellboy, Shadows Over Normandie, Wolfenstein, or you know, Indiana Jones? I think BattleLore has fairly cute figures (dwarves riding on cows), but there's an Agincourt scenario in it. Is that in bad taste too? Is there a time limit on disrespect?

At some point, we, as a culture, have to move on from the past so that we can learn from it and play with its concepts in order to produce new works of art and commerce. These Guts figures aren't worthy of even the mildest outrage. It's open season on WW2 and has been for quite a while.

The difference for me is, that in most of games/movies etc you mentioned, the Nazis are presented either as straight out villains, or are parodied or otherwise made fun of. In many cases there are also some tropes that come into play like the connection of Nazis and the supernatural. And while Hogans Heroes made fun of them (btw it played in a POW camp not a concentration Camp) I doubt that gutz will have the wits that this show had. In general it looks like they wanted to copy rivet wars but they didn't thought it through. Aside of that I just Think that chibi style simply doesn't fit that theme.

And I don't wanted to make a general Statement, I just wanted to express what I think and feel when Ich see this.

Wait, how is it better if the German soldiers (many of whom weren't nazis) are presented as cartoon villains and parodies?

Some other Gen Con news

SUPER DUNGEON: TWILIGHT KNIGHT from KINGDOM DEATH – A refresh on one of our most popular crossover miniatures for Super Dungeon, the Twilight Knight returns to Super Dungeon with an all new sculpt of this immensely popular hero. The Twilight Knight will be available at Gencon, and the Ninja Division webstore.

I'd like to see them return to Ninja All-Stars at some point, and despite their insistence that they haven't given up on the series just yet, everything is out of stock or on clearance everywhere with no sign of returning. The game needed some work, but the potential was (is?) high.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Seneca wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 MalusCalibur wrote:

It's not just you. It's one thing to have 'cute' soldiers and tanks (lord knows I love me some Advance Wars), but to represent the actual war so 'on-the-nose' like this is quite another. By all means have designs inspired by real-world military (case in point, AW does exactly that), but make up your own nations/factions/etc and background, and put some distance between the silly fun miniatures game and a real-life war that remains in living memory for some, else it can come across highly disrespectful.

I don't remember anybody complaining about Heroes of Normandie, Rivet Wars, Hogan's Heroes, little green army men, or any of the thousands of disrespectful toys, games, movies, and tv shows that have happened in the past 70 years. Is it disrespectful to set a comedy in a concentration camp? Is it disrespectful to have games where the allies fight supernatural Nazis, like Achtung Cthulhu!, Zombie Army Trilogy, Hellboy, Shadows Over Normandie, Wolfenstein, or you know, Indiana Jones? I think BattleLore has fairly cute figures (dwarves riding on cows), but there's an Agincourt scenario in it. Is that in bad taste too? Is there a time limit on disrespect?

At some point, we, as a culture, have to move on from the past so that we can learn from it and play with its concepts in order to produce new works of art and commerce. These Guts figures aren't worthy of even the mildest outrage. It's open season on WW2 and has been for quite a while.

The difference for me is, that in most of games/movies etc you mentioned, the Nazis are presented either as straight out villains, or are parodied or otherwise made fun of. In many cases there are also some tropes that come into play like the connection of Nazis and the supernatural. And while Hogans Heroes made fun of them (btw it played in a POW camp not a concentration Camp) I doubt that gutz will have the wits that this show had. In general it looks like they wanted to copy rivet wars but they didn't thought it through. Aside of that I just Think that chibi style simply doesn't fit that theme.

And I don't wanted to make a general Statement, I just wanted to express what I think and feel when Ich see this.

Wait, how is it better if the German soldiers (many of whom weren't nazis) are presented as cartoon villains and parodies?

It isn't better, and I'm also critical of many other portrayals as well. Mostly because I believe that presenting Nazis as monsters also ridicules what happened. Considering that this atrocities were committed by humans not monsters. And presenting soldiers from both sides in such a cutesy way is disrepectful for me. Disrepectful to the victims and heroes.

Personally I'm getting quite the "Cannon Fodder" vibe from the Guts models. Anyone for 'Worms' next?

A revisit to NAS would be nice, but does not seem in the cards as it isn't a bright shiny.

On the sci-fi minis:
The antennae should have been left off or come as wires that you could pin in. As is both models look clunky with the pillars sticking out.

I don't think chibification makes anything more awkward or uncomfortable than actual minis (or scale model kits) do

and would have no issues with their use in wargames either

(but if they were to bung in some civillians/refugees that might make me squirm dependant on how they were used)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I don't think chibification makes anything more awkward or uncomfortable than actual minis (or scale model kits) do

As a semi-serious rivet counter, making the tanks chibi bothers me in ways that actual scale minis don't. The way they handled the drive wheels, the idlers, etc. on those tanks really grinds my gears. They deliberately did some of the translation / modeling in a lazy and cheap way, and it shows very clearly.


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 Sqorgar wrote:
I'd like to see them return to Ninja All-Stars at some point, and despite their insistence that they haven't given up on the series just yet, everything is out of stock or on clearance everywhere with no sign of returning. The game needed some work, but the potential was (is?) high.

Like SDE, NAS has some very nice minis tied to iffy rules. For a while, I was thinking about buying a couple Clans for house rules, but have since walked away from that. Rules development takes too long, and I have other rules projects with higher priority. Like fixing SDE.

If you like NAS - pretty much all of it is on deep clearance at Miniature Market atm.

The Guts things are ... odd. They remind me very much of Rivet Wars.

Thanks for the pointer, though I've since moved past that notion.

more resin pre-orders



cross over takoashi university characters (also available separately)



and a new version of the Kingdom Death Twilight Light

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
They look about right, I am sure there is a market for them out there, Advance wars popularity shows the aesthetic is popular, but they would need an interesting game, probably boardgame, for them to sell, I do not think the market is big enouph for them to stand alone, except ,maybe? if they are targeted for Asian market?

I would argue that Advance Wars is popular first of all because it is an excellent solo player wargame.

Years ago I started to make a Hall Wargame of Advance Wars, which I called Advance Wars Solid. It never got finished, of course, partly because of the lack of suitable SD style models.

Between these figures, the SD style Girls Und Panzer kits, and some of the cool Japanese capsule toy style models, it may be time to reactivate the project.

Meng does some fine WWII chibi tank kits too (for the World War Toon licence)

Well that is a bummer... I was looking forward to a unpainted one that I could paint. I mean yes I can strip the paint and paint it, but that isn't the same. Apparently, it will be prepainted.

This will be a full- pre-painted figure. Stands around 11" tall.

This stuff is going to be available on their website, right?

I just let go my Twilight Knight recently, and she was probably my favorite SDE figure. Now granted, the details were somewhat naff on mine, and she was on a basic SDE base, while this one has the typical Kingdom Death faces.

Is she going to be resin too, or still plastic?

Already available for preorder $14.99 in resin

http://sodapopminiatures.com/preorders-23/twilight-knight

I was going to order her but shipping doubles the cost so she'll have to wait until I have other bits to order direct from SPM.

That is a bummer on the pre-paint. I've always wanted to try my hand at something bigger than 32mm (or a bust) and have never gotten around to it.

I love the chibi-KD faces on the base of the new Twilight Knight - but not enough to order a new one.

Man, again with a slap in the face over SDE....

What's the SDE slap, if you don't mind me asking?

The fact that we're still waiting to see something physical actually materialize from the new version?

I think they said they look for white resin for painters, you can check their FB page.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
What's the SDE slap, if you don't mind me asking?

The fact that we're still waiting to see something physical actually materialize from the new version?

The fact we have seen nothing physical or even a timeline for when we will see something physical.

Delays happen, but the lack of effective discussion on them while still pumping out other related content doesn't look good.

 DaveC wrote:
Already available for preorder $14.99 in resin

http://sodapopminiatures.com/preorders-23/twilight-knight

I was going to order her but shipping doubles the cost so she'll have to wait until I have other bits to order direct from SPM.

If SPM delivers SDE 2.0 and the rest of my Legends KS, I'd almost certainly get her.

However, it's looking like that won't happen until sometime next year. Not that SPM is willing to admit it to the people who paid them in advance.

NINJA DIVISION SIGNS LICENSE WITH GAMES WORKSHOP



Gwlogo

Ninja Division has signed a license with Games Workshop to create a card game under the Warhammer Fantasy property for the tabletop games market.

DOOMSEEKER™

Doomseeker is a tabletop card game, created by David Freeman and John Cadice, where players take on the role of a mighty dwarf slayer. Each player’s character is sworn by the slayer’s oath to seek a glorious death in battle for a crime committed or stain on that dwarf’s honor. The slayers eschew worldly pursuits, dye their beards and hair in fierce and fiery reds and oranges, tattoo their ruddy flesh, take up their weapons, and wander the old world seeking their doom battling monsters and enemies of their race.

The Doomseeker card game pits players against one another to see who can die the most glorious death! Push your luck, challenge the denizens and monsters of the Old World, with each victory bringing you more glory, and ultimately your death can be met at the hands of a truly worthy foe! Slotted for release in Spring 2018, Doomseeker will be a boxed card game with cards, dice, and tokens needed to play.

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I heard they'd licenced something in the gencon chatter but this actually says what it is.... seek a glorious death and pray you don't get killed by the ubiquitous giant rat, or snotling

See, now that's all fine and dandy, but it looks like they shorted RRI and Legends is nowhere to be seen.

looks like they shorted RRI ?

(other than the non-US stuff still being in china waiting for way of the fighter)

Yep. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1834854/missing-components-ks-pledges