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 Azazelx wrote:
Questions/comments:

1) Will there be a pledge manager where we can add mroe $ for more stuff.

2) "Bullets" for shipping is silly. Especially with exchange rate changes dollars for pounds. Just change it to real-money rates.

3) I'd love to see pictures/renders for the stretch goals.

4) December 2014? Really? Really? You know I love you guys, but really? What about stretch goal items? What kinds of delays will they throw in? Will people be able to get their stuff split-shipped? Will people getting more than the basic items be waiting until July or September 2015 to get their stuff? Best to work this stuff out now - realistically and not optimistically and be upfront with how long these things will take. I'd hate to pledge $300 on face value hoping to assemble and paint these guys this Christmas to find them delayed for 6-8 months - meaning they might become something I have time to work on next Christmas (which is when I get a lot of time off and can work on bigger projects) - if I can muster the enthusiasm.

And please non-Kromlech guys - no excited-backer assurances. You know I'm a fan of Polish resin - especially these guys and Kromlech - I'd just rather see what Przemek and co have to say on it.

These are all really good points that I have been wondering myself. The bullet/shipping thing is my biggest pet peeve. I know it's silly, but when I see I have to spend my Bullets on the shipping I feel like I'm being ripped off. at 105 Bullets I have to give 1/5 of them for shipping alone

@shauni55: simply put - we can't ship for free. We would have been shooting both our feet off if we did .

While I love orks, and I love these concepts... I don't see any reason to back the KS. The price is expensive, equal to or higher than retail (or if retail is going to be even more expensive, then these models are not competitive in the current marketplace) and the conversion costs and international shipping is a killer and I have had bad experiences with shipping from Europe.

I would rather wait until retail and either buy them from a US distributor or pay close to the same costs later.

I don't know what it is... I guess the value isn't there for me compared to what else is already on the market. And pledging to try to unlock more designs doesn't seem to be motivation for me on this one.

Good luck guys! Hope to see this when it is all done and at retail.

I am with Nkelsch on the cost of those models. The prices being charged seem closer to "I am simply pre-ordering my models" instead of an actual kickstarter.

I know I'm repeating myself but the cost is the reason we are doing it through KS . We knew that if we put it through retail the prices would have to fly through the roof.
Also for this very reason there's a huge chance those (or at least huge chunk of those , especially units) won't reach retail ever and/or will be out of production as soon molds made for this KS wear off. IT IS NOT PREORDER FOR !@#$%^ SAKES! And yes I had to write it in capital letters as it bugs me too.
It is not something that I write lightly . When it comes to bulky models as orcs raw material costs start to be a drag (and I know it is not that obvious that due to metal density orc models are 3 or more times in weight when compared to human size models). The only option I see for orcs to be cheaper would be a totally different manufacturing process. Sadly the one I'm developing is in very early stages (so no guarantee it will work ever) and plastic is not an option at current volumes and return of investment timeframe.
I would really love to sell models cheaper but I can't as I'd kill our small venture this way.
So - sorry I won't see you on board this time guys, hopefully in the future we will do something that will fit your budget.

Heh, I knew Barzam would show up as soon as he saw those vert tanks.

 Przemas wrote:
@shauni55: simply put - we can't ship for free. We would have been shooting both our feet off if we did .

I'm in no way asking you to ship for free. What I'm saying is that when 20/105 of my Bullets are going to shipping it feels like I'm losing a large part of my pledge. Really you should just put the cost of shipping as opposed to the bullet amount.


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nkelsch wrote:
While I love orks, and I love these concepts... I don't see any reason to back the KS. The price is expensive, equal to or higher than retail (or if retail is going to be even more expensive, then these models are not competitive in the current marketplace) and the conversion costs and international shipping is a killer and I have had bad experiences with shipping from Europe.

I would rather wait until retail and either buy them from a US distributor or pay close to the same costs later.

I don't know what it is... I guess the value isn't there for me compared to what else is already on the market. And pledging to try to unlock more designs doesn't seem to be motivation for me on this one.

Good luck guys! Hope to see this when it is all done and at retail.

It certainly is a "Spend more to Spend more" KS model. If the cost we are paying is covering the cost of a model being produced, why are add-on models stretch goals when we will have to pay for them as well.

Example:
I spend $100 originally, and eventually another model is unlocked at $25 (bullets). So I pay another $25. Does that $25 not cover the cost of producing that stretch goal add on?

shauni55 wrote:

I'm in no way asking you to ship for free. What I'm saying is that when 20/105 of my Bullets are going to shipping it feels like I'm losing a large part of my pledge. Really you should just put the cost of shipping as opposed to the bullet amount.

But what's the reals difference mate ? You pay exactly the same amount either way .

shauni55 wrote:
If the cost we are paying is covering the cost of a model being produced, why are add-on models stretch goals when we will have to pay for them as well.

not sure what are you suggesting. Hope you're not thinking about unlocked models being free, are you ?

I think they look great and the price isn't to bad. £60 gets you 20 Orks and 10 grots to your door. Although more expensive then GW it is comparable to Kromlech whose Greatcoat Orks would set you back about £80 and to be honest I prefer these.

Postage seems a little high at £12 out of your £60 spend for the 30 models but it is what it is.

Personally I'm not interested in the vehicles so I'm waiting until I see some art/renders of the elite units (Airborne, Kommando, Tankhunters) then I can decide whether to pick up a few units or a whole army.

I have to echo Azazelx though, December 2014? really?

 Przemas wrote:

shauni55 wrote:
If the cost we are paying is covering the cost of a model being produced, why are add-on models stretch goals when we will have to pay for them as well.

not sure what are you suggesting. Hope you're not thinking about unlocked models being free, are you ?

Preorder: order (an item of merchandise) before it is available, with the understanding that it will be shipped later.

I have a hard time believing it takes three times the amount of material to make the average ork as it does a human, but hey who am I to question I'm pretty bad at guesstimating mass and weight. I might actually try to weight a couple just out of curiosity.

Also to point out. Only a small percentage of the current models are actual Orks. As opposed to Goblins (substantially smaller than a lot of models) and mostly vehicles.

On another note funding has seemed to slow substantially. Kicktraq now trending half of what it did on Day 3, which isn't that strange but that is a big jump.

There isn't a lot of added value by doing this Kickstarter as people are used to. I'm going to ride it out and see where it goes, I can always hop off the train on the last day.

shauni55 wrote:

Preorder: order (an item of merchandise) before it is available, with the understanding that it will be shipped later.

I have a hard time believing it takes three times the amount of material to make the average ork as it does a human, but hey who am I to question I'm pretty bad at guesstimating mass and weight. I might actually try to weight a couple just out of curiosity.

Also to point out. Only a small percentage of the current models are actual Orks. As opposed to Goblins (substantially smaller than a lot of models) and mostly vehicles.

On another note funding has seemed to slow substantially. Kicktraq now trending half of what it did on Day 3, which isn't that strange but that is a big jump.

There isn't a lot of added value by doing this Kickstarter as people are used to. I'm going to ride it out and see where it goes, I can always hop off the train on the last day.

Three times seems like it might be a BIT high, but honestly I can buy that it's near that much.

Take ye'average guardsmen someday and plop him next to ye'average ork boy. Just at a glance, the Ork does have at least twice as much raw material put into him. One of his arms, for example, is nearly as thick as a guardsmen's torso.

EDIT: That said, I'm very excited to see the renders for tank hunters, bikers, and kommandos, and hopefully exo orcs. Those are what'd do it for me.

I'm guessing that the 'hero' figure will be a General Patton style commander, although I'm hoping for a Kaptin Amerorka.

Any hope of a bike mounted character? There seems to be a significant gap in the market there. An ork medic on a bike would give 40k players a simple solution for the lack of a bike-mounted painboy model.

Is the 'artillery' going to be a field gun (M3 howitzer, I'm guessing) or a SPG (M7 Priest, or M12 maybe)?

Will there be any alternative weapons for the half-track and the jeep? Bazookas on the jeep would probably make it a better stand in for a 40k buggy and a mortar on the half-track would just be cool.

I really like the goblins. I'd love it if you made some unarmed ones too. Medics, mechanics, vehicle crew or just hauling crates.

Just saw the exosuit concepts and I LOVE THEM.

WOW.

That looks like a hell of a lot of fun to put together!

It's going to need some orcy cheescake nose art on the cockpit though!

Reminds me of Lugnut from TF, which is one of my all time favorites!

Do want those exo suits. I'm curious though as to what they're supposed to even out to, game terms wise. I was thinking they'd be MANZ.. But that doesn't seem to be the case just from looking at them.

I'm surprised to see how quickly this is taking off, though I have to reflect some previous worry about actually meeting the self-set deadline. Nearing 300% of funding goal and still 22 days to go.. This is really launching.

As with all KS (and private pre-orders) if you absolutely have to have stuff by a deadline I'd be very wary,

but if your prepared to take a chance (or like me don't really mind if things end up running a bit behind) this looks glorious

To me when the date looks too good to be true, I often think it is. The other thing of course, is when the date coincides with a break from work so I can start on them, it's always disappointing when it becomes something that arrives even "just a couple" of months late. I imagine it's much the same for people who want to run things at tourney, and even worse for those, who, say end up dropping 40k while still waiting for their models that have been delayed by a year or two to arrive...

Well you could tell yourself it won't arrive till february or march, that way if it does arrive in december you can be really surprised

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As with all KS (and private pre-orders) if you absolutely have to have stuff by a deadline I'd be very wary,

but if your prepared to take a chance (or like me don't really mind if things end up running a bit behind) this looks glorious

Right, I absolutely get that. I went in on the Battle Dog and Pug tanks awhile back (for those of you who remember), and mine still haven't arrived yet. I'm not upset, nor will I be if this project is delayed a good chunk of time. I accept that when I back a KS project, and I'm not in dire need of the models come christmas anyway.

I was just echoing the earlier sentiment of the delivery dates looking very optimistic, especially when you consider how this thing is taking off. I wouldn't be surprised if it hits 500% funded at this rate, and I'm expecting the last of the stretch goals will unlock before it's half over.

Oh wow, that exosuit looks downright awesome. I'm not digging those shield things on the shoulders, but otherwise, it's pretty sweet. How big woudl that be? For that matter, how big are the mechs supposed to be?

when it comes to miniatures weight I know it is hard to believe - I made that mistake in the past and dismissed importance of source material cost when it comes to metal models. We are simply not used to dealing with densities that metals have. But that should give you a general idea:


Glad you enjoy the exosuit - it is one of my favourite design for the project .

Oh, and guys - will post the measurements soon. I'd like to make it in one go.

Have thought of switching to one of the plastic resin blends? Trollcast is supposed to be very good, and, from what I understand, it's much cheaper than metal and cheaper than resin.

Oh. All of these minis are going to be metal?

 morganfreeman wrote:
Oh. All of these minis are going to be metal?

I too was under the idea that these were going to be resin or some sort of mix.

What material the models are made of? They are a mixture of highest quality resin and white metal. This way we get the best of 2 worlds - finest looking miniatures and something that would withstand even harsh treatment on the tabletop. Most of the infantry units have metal bodies with resin heads and bits, while vehicles are primarily resin.

It's right there on the main kickstarter page.

It's one of the things that makes a (potential) December ship date feasible as spin casting the bodies will not take the huge amount of time that doing the resin work will

 Perfect Organism wrote:

What material the models are made of? They are a mixture of highest quality resin and white metal. This way we get the best of 2 worlds - finest looking miniatures and something that would withstand even harsh treatment on the tabletop. Most of the infantry units have metal bodies with resin heads and bits, while vehicles are primarily resin.

It's right there on the main kickstarter page.

Alright, thank'ye. That's what I thought, but I saw that stuff there and was thrown for a bit of a loop. I should've checked.. But was on my way out the door to go to work.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Just saw the exosuit concepts and I LOVE THEM.

Liking the design but the HMG's need to be thicker, not dakkadakka enough!