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I really HATE Claudio and Gideon!!!
I really dont get the concept of close combat in this game. Having genestealers smash regular terminators to bits in close combat in understandable. But if even specialized close combat terminators can't kill like more than 2 genestealers at best before kicking the bucket, while the average terminator kills like 10 of the buggers via overwatch before some unlucky move gets him ripped to shreds is proof that Claudio and Gideon are actually WORSE than regular terminators.



At least Lorenzo has the stormbolter so he's just as good as a tactical terminator with - I think - a bonus on his close combat weapon rolls

What do you think?

Nice, dispatch email sent last night. Didn't pay extra for fast delivery but seem to be getting courier delivery by end of day Monday.

 Sir Arun wrote:
I really HATE Claudio and Gideon!!!
I really dont get the concept of close combat in this game. Having genestealers smash regular terminators to bits in close combat in understandable. But if even specialized close combat terminators can't kill like more than 2 genestealers at best before kicking the bucket, while the average terminator kills like 10 of the buggers via overwatch before some unlucky move gets him ripped to shreds is proof that Claudio and Gideon are actually WORSE than regular terminators.



At least Lorenzo has the stormbolter so he's just as good as a tactical terminator with - I think - a bonus on his close combat weapon rolls

What do you think?

I think it's just to give you a helping hand. When fielding Gideon, I've found him to be very useful to hold off stealers.

Managed to pick up a copy from local GW. Only had 2 to sell, so much for plenty on the day...

 Sir Arun wrote:
I really HATE Claudio and Gideon!!!
I really dont get the concept of close combat in this game. Having genestealers smash regular terminators to bits in close combat in understandable. But if even specialized close combat terminators can't kill like more than 2 genestealers at best before kicking the bucket, while the average terminator kills like 10 of the buggers via overwatch before some unlucky move gets him ripped to shreds is proof that Claudio and Gideon are actually WORSE than regular terminators.



At least Lorenzo has the stormbolter so he's just as good as a tactical terminator with - I think - a bonus on his close combat weapon rolls

What do you think?

They're only really worth while in areas where you don't expect to get many overwatch shots off anyway. But yeah, I've never liked the CC variants.

If the Space Wolf supplement follows the PC game, Space Wolf terminators might get a +1 in close combat, which would make the close combat variants more useful.

 Sir Arun wrote:
I really HATE Claudio and Gideon!!!
I really dont get the concept of close combat in this game. Having genestealers smash regular terminators to bits in close combat in understandable. But if even specialized close combat terminators can't kill like more than 2 genestealers at best before kicking the bucket, while the average terminator kills like 10 of the buggers via overwatch before some unlucky move gets him ripped to shreds is proof that Claudio and Gideon are actually WORSE than regular terminators.



At least Lorenzo has the stormbolter so he's just as good as a tactical terminator with - I think - a bonus on his close combat weapon rolls

What do you think?

Gideon isn't bad to block corridors. Plus 1 on his rolls for being a sergeant, knocks genestealers down to 2 dice because of his shield and on guard he can reroll the dice. I thick is hammer does something snazzy as well, but I've not got the rules to hand. With a bit of luck he can hold up aliens better than Lieutenant Gorman, Vasquez and a frag grenade.

So it looks like the expansions are apple only... sometimes I feel like GW intentionally try to fail at getting me to buy their wares

Tried to pick up a copy at my local GW store, they had 4-5 all reserved for pickup. I think they had 3-4 for store sales but I missed out on them.

I walked down the road to my local Co-Op department store, who stock gamesworkshop in their toy section with a limited range, they happened to have a few copies. Got me one with a 10% discount. After being let down by the original manufacturers outlet.... Quite pleased.

DGS (in the US) got all the Space Hulks they wanted and some extras so can get them for $US97 there for anyone interested.

It's a shame GW are shipping it UPS - when I get my preorders from Element Games, they're always with me on release day. You can't even rearrange your order on UPS without becoming a member. Very, very gak.

 Yonan wrote:
DGS (in the US) got all the Space Hulks they wanted and some extras so can get them for $US97 there for anyone interested.

Do you know how much they charge to ship to Australia? I'm tempted, but I'm out of hobby money at the moment and certainly can't justify the $190AUD they are asking for it here If I don't get it I'll just buy the tiles and rules and use my SW Terminators and vast inventory of Hormagaunts to represent the Stealers.

yeah,
I picked up my copy today
Very heavy!
I'd forgotten how heavy the 2009 one was before being clipped and punched.

With regards to the digital products, I don't think they are good value and probably will never buy them.
If it was £10 for an actual book I'd buy it, but I don't see the value in digital products in the same way.

I like collecting things and digital collections seem hollow...
Maybe it because a book can be sold on again later, I dunno, but IMO digital things should be less than half the price.


Panic...

I went into my local GW today and they had at least 20 copies. Didn't seem to be all that much interest in them.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
DGS (in the US) got all the Space Hulks they wanted and some extras so can get them for $US97 there for anyone interested.

Do you know how much they charge to ship to Australia? I'm tempted, but I'm out of hobby money at the moment and certainly can't justify the $190AUD they are asking for it here If I don't get it I'll just buy the tiles and rules and use my SW Terminators and vast inventory of Hormagaunts to represent the Stealers.

Not for this sorry but in general I think it's $20 if it's USPSable or $45 if it's not. You get good postage savings by buying mutliple items at once though ... ; ) ie. if it's $45, your second would be +$3 iirc.

Local GW had 25 copies for the store (I suspect once the staff had snaffled theirs),

20 sold by 10.30 am when I was in picking up a pack of spirit host ghosties,

so I'd imagine they'd have been sold out by lunch

Dark Sphere's extra copies sold out. I saw 10 going out of the shop as I waited in the queue this morning...

I certainly remember a lot of agonizing failures by the close combat Terminators back in the day when I had the first edition. The lightning claw Marine would carve a path through the Stealers, only to die at a key moment....good times!

Meanwhile, despite my preorder shipping from GW Wednesday, I won't get it until Monday. It's sitting just a few miles away from me right now, but the service GW chose to use does not deliver Saturdays.

Got mine today after pre-ordering to store. Very chuffed with the complimentary poster/picture they threw in too!

Went into GW today, they had loads of Space Hulk boxes, but no fething WD, which was the thing I wanted.

 Smacks wrote:
Went into GW today, they had loads of Space Hulk boxes, but no fething WD, which was the thing I wanted.

You wanted a WD and not a Space Hulk? I bet that really caught them off guard!

Sadly I want be picking my Space Hulk up til next week as I could make it to my store to pick up my reserved copy...

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Well I already have lots of Space Hulks, so I just wanted the mission (though I might have it already in an older WD). Apparently they weren't surprised. She told me this WD had flown off the shelves.

By any account the sale of Space Hulk 2014 was a total success, particularly for GW direct sales with both GW UK and USA selling out before the release date with scant forewarning of the release (3 weeks tops?).

So does this mean GW will take heed if not of fans pleas but off sales figures and release more of their 3-D roleplay and spcialist games?

I'd love to see Tyranid Attack, Space Crusade, Advanced Space Crusade, Heroquest, Mighty Empires, Dark Future, Mordhiem, Necromunda, Man-O-War, Blood Bowl, Epic and any I might have missed be re-printed.

Had anyone taken the plunge on the digital supplements yet? If so, are they any good?

 tgmoore wrote:
By any account the sale of Space Hulk 2014 was a total success, particularly for GW direct sales with both GW UK and USA selling out before the release date with scant forewarning of the release (3 weeks tops?).

So does this mean GW will take heed if not of fans pleas but off sales figures and release more of their 3-D roleplay and spcialist games?

I'd love to see Tyranid Attack, Space Crusade, Advanced Space Crusade, Heroquest, Mighty Empires, Dark Future, Mordhiem, Necromunda, Man-O-War, Blood Bowl, Epic and any I might have missed be re-printed.

Hard to say.

Suppose GW printed and sold out 15,000 copies of Space Hulk 2014. The total revenue would be £1,125,000 before tax, less than 1% of GW's turnover last year. GW would need eight games a year like that to offset the decline in revenue last year.

Of course Space Hulk 2009 was a huge success, selling about 70,000 copies, but it can't be repeated because most people who want Space Hulk have now got it. Meanwhile Dreadfleet was a huge disaster.

Overall it is very hard to tell if updating and re-issuing these boxed games is likely to be successful.

It would be most ironic, however, if Blood Bowl, Battle Fleet Gothic and all the other specialist games that GW dumped a few years ago ended up being what saves them now.

 Paradigm wrote:
Had anyone taken the plunge on the digital supplements yet? If so, are they any good?

I bought the Space Wolf one for my son. Here's what you get:

Introduction - 2 pages of text
Space Wolf Missions - 3 Missions and interactive Mission Status Display
Space Wolves Rules - 2 pages and reference
The Space Wolves - 2 pages of fluff
Custom Missions - 8 pages (including whole page pics) with points values for Terminators and Genrestealers (note, not Space Wolf, just generic)

In conclusion, not worth £10 for what boils down to 3 missions and stuff you could work out yourself.

Cheers, doesn't look like it's worth going for for the money. The custom missions party might have been inteesting, but there's a lot already out there and if need be I could work it out.

On a more serious note though, do you think GW re-releasing Space Hulk was a spontaneous decision - an indication to their economic situation, perhaps? A move of desperation to inject some much needed revenue cash into their fiscal report?

I mean the only extra effort they did was come up with 4 new missions and some new tiles for them, but also hiked the game's price accordingly.

 Sir Arun wrote:


On a more serious note though, do you think GW re-releasing Space Hulk was a spontaneous decision - an indication to their economic situation, perhaps? A move of desperation to inject some much needed revenue cash into their fiscal report?

I mean the only extra effort they did was come up with 4 new missions and some new tiles for them, but also hiked the game's price accordingly.

I think it was part of the "Nagash/End-Times"-package. A sure-fire hedge to go with the risky investment of the former. Possibly a way to sell/convince the board that a huge investment into the flagging Fantasy-line wouldn't give them another "hurting" quarter.

I picked mine up yesterday, along with the WD. First newly released GW products I've bought in years. Actually looking forward to playing it too!

Anybody remember the old Space Hulk Campaigns book? Does it still work with the current version?