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All of a Chapter's resources come from other Imperial institutions, I wonder if Chapter Masters get headaches over having to ask for more funds. Fighting battles ain't cheap.

I imagine they have some kind of Emperor's Express card.

My limited recollection is that some chapters, particularly those which are headquartered on spacecraft, can run into supply problems. I am not sure where or why they would bother with money. Who is selling what they want, and who would demand "cash."

 brendan wrote:
My limited recollection is that some chapters, particularly those which are headquartered on spacecraft, can run into supply problems. I am not sure where or why they would bother with money. Who is selling what they want, and who would demand "cash."

Don't most government departments have some kind of budget? Which they are supposed to use to buy the necessary supplies. I think it will be something like that.

I imagine that marines just ask what the want and the recieve it no questions asked, unless it's something particualry unscrupulous or heretical.

Either that or they can "indent" tanks and weapons and armor from the Mechanicum.

though they'll have to justify the usage, or beg/bootlick

Unless ive misunderstood something, most chapters have their own armories serviced by techmarines capable of supplying them with their own equipment, from bolter rounds to thunderhawks. The only thing theyd have to turn to an outside institution for are their spacecraft (frigates, cruisers, battle barges, etc.) Outside of that, given the feudal nature of many chapters its safe to assume they tithe/tax their homeworlds and whatever other planets/systems they lay claim to. For those spaceborne fleets, its implied that they collect supplies from the planets and ships they attack/defend.

^ this, look at DA and BA, they make there own stuff,

DA because they don't want anyone to know what they have

BA because they don't want to share their SCT for the fast engines.

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- Brotha apothecarius, my tooth aches.
- That's because you haven't used a proper tooth paste.

*they turn to a viewer*
- Use blend-o-medius. Or we punch your teeth out with a power fist. I SWEAR TO GOD EMPERROR!

*background music and a wall of text read in 3 seconds*
- ...blendomediusisadmechapproveduseblendomediusorbepurgedasaheretic...

 raiden wrote:
^ this, look at DA and BA, they make there own stuff,

DA because they don't want anyone to know what they have

BA because they don't want to share their SCT for the fast engines.

I've often wondered, we have several cases of space marine chapters hoarding STC tech. the blood angels and dark angels both have some examples as I recall it.

the obvious OOC answer to why is so that they can have some unique stuff in their codex but whats the IC reason for bothering to withhold STC tech from the Admech? doing it risks making enemies with the admech. so what's to gain? keeping the tech to themselves sure but why would that matter to a SM chapter? best I can figure they just know the Admech'd sit on the tech for a few thousand years and they want it in the field pronto..

BrianDavion wrote:

 raiden wrote:
^ this, look at DA and BA, they make there own stuff,

DA because they don't want anyone to know what they have

BA because they don't want to share their SCT for the fast engines.

I've often wondered, we have several cases of space marine chapters hoarding STC tech. the blood angels and dark angels both have some examples as I recall it.

the obvious OOC answer to why is so that they can have some unique stuff in their codex but whats the IC reason for bothering to withhold STC tech from the Admech? doing it risks making enemies with the admech. so what's to gain? keeping the tech to themselves sure but why would that matter to a SM chapter? best I can figure they just know the Admech'd sit on the tech for a few thousand years and they want it in the field pronto..

its all about politics with other chapters

A Chapter is supposed to be mostly self-sufficient, but there's things they have to get elsewhere.

Their ships for one. I've not heard about marines owning a shipyard. And one would imagine the fuels and munitions a ship needs is also a bit beyond what marines have lying around. Ofc, when a Chapter drops in at a naval base and demands to be topped off it probably comes from some Imperial budget - as long as the naval clerks manage to fill in the right forms.

And vehicles, and armors. While the techmarines can repair and restore even the burnt-out shell of a Rhino given time they're not producing new ones. Same for PA and TDA. They can customize, repair, even build some parts but a shiny new suit comes from the AdMech.

A large navel base will always have a big fuel store, unless its been a very long war etc but they probbly just sign some Gothic document and stamp it with a chapter symbol/ornate ggpthic numbered authenticity stamp then fill the ship up.

Very little questions asked, just how much fuel.

What cleark is going to say no to a space marine?
And every navel base should have a decent stock of torpedo,s macro cannon rounds and such, the navy and !marines share several ship to ship weapons.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Unless ive misunderstood something, most chapters have their own armories serviced by techmarines capable of supplying them with their own equipment, from bolter rounds to thunderhawks. The only thing theyd have to turn to an outside institution for are their spacecraft (frigates, cruisers, battle barges, etc.) Outside of that, given the feudal nature of many chapters its safe to assume they tithe/tax their homeworlds and whatever other planets/systems they lay claim to. For those spaceborne fleets, its implied that they collect supplies from the planets and ships they attack/defend.

'fraid you have misunderstood.

Salamanders are unique in their ability to produce a significant proportion of their own equipment, and even then their personal smithcraft is best described as 'supplementary'.

The other chapters with their own custom gear - the Blood Angels and the Grey Knights - have their own pet forge worlds that produce their unique toys for them (Deimos for the GK, Lucius for the BA), and Lucius managed to sneak the Storm Raven plans out to the rest of the AdMech (hence why everyone gets them now).

Marine gear - with the exceptions of Artificer Armour and perhaps bolt shells - is provided to them as a tithe according to the ancient compacts between the Legiones Astartes and the Adeptus Mechanicum. If the AdMech decide that a chapter is in violation of those accords (reference: Marines Malevolent), they will cut off the chapter, forcing them to become scavengers.

Artificer Armour started out as a regular suit of Power Armour that, over the millenia, has been reworked and customised by Masters of the Forge until it has been improved, so technically, even that originally came from the Adeptus Mechanicum, unless it in fact came from the Mechanicus (the name the AdMech used before Mars fell during the Horus Heresy and they had to rebuild from scratch).

 Furyou Miko wrote:
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chaos0xomega wrote:
Unless ive misunderstood something, most chapters have their own armories serviced by techmarines capable of supplying them with their own equipment, from bolter rounds to thunderhawks. The only thing theyd have to turn to an outside institution for are their spacecraft (frigates, cruisers, battle barges, etc.) Outside of that, given the feudal nature of many chapters its safe to assume they tithe/tax their homeworlds and whatever other planets/systems they lay claim to. For those spaceborne fleets, its implied that they collect supplies from the planets and ships they attack/defend.

'fraid you have misunderstood.

Marine gear - with the exceptions of Artificer Armour and perhaps bolt shells - is provided to them as a tithe according to the ancient compacts between the Legiones Astartes and the Adeptus Mechanicum. If the AdMech decide that a chapter is in violation of those accords (reference: Marines Malevolent), they will cut off the chapter, forcing them to become scavengers.

Actually he pretty much nailed it. Both Index Astartes: Techmarines and Imperial Armour volume 2 say that only some chapters have pacts with forge worlds. Index Astartes: Rhino also refers to them being made in chapter-forges. The opposite may have been an important part of a Black Library book but, well, that's Black Library for you

Then where does the Chapter get the resources? Or are we to assume that diamantine and adamantium is readily available throughout the Imperium and can be dug up with the bare hands and stone tools of feral world populations?

My understanding is they get their resources by a sort of tithe from the planets they control, or directly from the imperium if they're a fleet-based chapter. In fact, I think the Badab wars were partly caused by Lufgt Huron feeling like he wasn't getting enough support from the imperium.

@Furyou~


Aritificer armor was a thing even during the HH.

The Raven Guard homeworld is stated to have the production capacity of a small Forge World and they produce their own Drop Pods and Thunderhawk.

Marine world/systems don't pay tithe's to the administratum like other worlds, instead they have special rights to use goods manufactured on said worlds for use directly for the chapter, or to use as trade/sell for items they need. In terms of pacts with forge worlds, certain chapters such as crusade chapters actually have forge ships that can create whatever they need as they go along (excluding ships). The payment marines make for this is protecting the imperium, though due to their nature of being mostly free to engage in missions as and when they choose, they do have preferences. You wouldn't be surprised at a chapter withdrawing from a warzone if they heard the system that their particular supply lines were under attack.

 Psienesis wrote:
Then where does the Chapter get the resources?

Kickstarter.

SM chapters have a forge within their fortress monastery that allows them to produce basic vehicles, arms and armaments. More complex stuff like space ships and TDA would be supplied to them.
Alot of chapters like the salamanders, raven guard, fire angels and iron knights (there are many more listed from various sources) have a homeworld that has a huge industrial output that means they can produce vast amounts of wargear. As they are normally the rulers of the planet or sector they tithe the population for the raw materials in return for being protected. All of that information can be found in the codex or IA books.

Some chapters like marines malevolent just go around stealing stuff though

Every chapter either has a standing relationship with a forge world and/or has their own forge ship(s) to produce what they need.

All chapters are able to produce their own ammunition and basic vehicles like those on the Rhino chassis. They can also do all maintenance needed.

Forge Worlds would supply chapters with new suits of TDA and PA(although many chapters do make their own), advanced vehicles like Land Raiders and space ships, and advanced plasma/melta weaponry.

The payment for such services is usually political favors. A marine chapter will have many reasons to come to the aid of the forge world which supplies them with gear. And a forge world has the same incentive to provide chapters with gear.

Marines can of course basically requisition anything they'd need from the nearest Munitorum supply depot, they might not have anything of particular use besides bolt ammo and power cells though.

Chapters normally supply partially themselves, and the other part is received from the Adeptus Mechanicus. For food and stuff on a crusade away from their home, they'll probably just imminent domain it. Space Marines are like Medieval Knights. If they need it, and even if it's from their own people, they'll take it.

Also, if a chapter like the Marines Malevolent seriously cocks up its relationship with the Admech, they'll be forced into piracy.

 Judge Dredd wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Then where does the Chapter get the resources?

Kickstarter.

Who takes the 5%?

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Judge Dredd wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Then where does the Chapter get the resources?

Kickstarter.

Who takes the 5%?

The Emperor, obviously.

jhe90 wrote:
What cleark is going to say no to a space marine?

An Adept of the Adeptus Administratum.

Most chapters either have industry on their own planets, or have deals with the Mechanicus for resupply.

Some have neither a planet nor a deal with the Mechanicus because they're hated. Like the Marines Malevolent. So they have to pick the bones of the dead for armour and scrounge for ammo. Who knows, maybe they even steal.

The next question is, what cop is going to say "stop that, you're stealing!" to a Space Marine?
The Arbites don't necessarily have the cajones.

Oh, Arbites have the cajones. Most Arbites rubbed shoulders with Commissar and Sororitas recruits growing up, being Progena... uh, Scions. Whatever.

This is how Progena deal with friendly Astartes:

1. Holt *BLAM* Commissar Holt is 100% distilled badass.
2. Unfriendly Astartes tend to be a lot more shooty.

 mitch_rifle wrote:
I imagine that marines just ask what the want and the recieve it no questions asked, unless it's something particualry unscrupulous or heretical.

They ask for what they want, and they get what the locals have to offer.

They might ask for 10 new landraiders. Not every world can build landraiders, most can't. Even if they did show up at a world that produced them, many of them might be already spoken for, by other space marine chapters. The "we are here now, so we get them" would work to some extent, but the mechanicus will not be bullied.

Similar things might happen if they say they want 100 suits of TDA, or a new strike cruiser. There just arent enough of these to go around.

If they said they wanted ground wheat, in some reasonable quantity, I imagine they would just get that.


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 GreaterGoodIreland wrote:

jhe90 wrote:
What cleark is going to say no to a space marine?

An Adept of the Adeptus Administratum.

Most chapters either have industry on their own planets, or have deals with the Mechanicus for resupply.

Some have neither a planet nor a deal with the Mechanicus because they're hated. Like the Marines Malevolent. So they have to pick the bones of the dead for armour and scrounge for ammo. Who knows, maybe they even steal.

The next question is, what cop is going to say "stop that, you're stealing!" to a Space Marine?
The Arbites don't necessarily have the cajones.

Demanding too much is a way to get labeled a traitor. If a thunder hawk gunship is on its way to chapter A, and chapter B comes over and says "hey, we are going to take that" you can be chapter A is going to hear about it eventually. Some of the interchapter grudges no doubt came from stuff like this. But if you do it too much....you end up on the run into the eye.