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Yeah, so if the rumours are true , everyone enjoy Eldar taking a Dark Eldar Formation of 1 HQ 2 Troops and 6 Fast Attack, loading up on Raiders w/ their 3 + Jink and being a assault vehicle and then Deep Striking the Archon with FireDragons or Wraithguard.

Just putting this out there.

This better not be true.

ugh, I really hope its not true. No one should have to face 30 Fire Dragons who deepstrike.

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah, so if the rumours are true , everyone enjoy Eldar taking a Dark Eldar Formation of 1 HQ 2 Troops and 6 Fast Attack, loading up on Raiders w/ their 3 + Jink and being a assault vehicle and then Deep Striking the Archon with FireDragons or Wraithguard.

Just putting this out there.

This better not be true.

ugh, I really hope its not true. No one should have to face 30 Fire Dragons who deepstrike.

yea you summed up how I feel about this. are the eldar still battle brothers with Dark Eldar?


anyways, it's funny that people will use a broken codex to use with one of the newer, probably fairer one.

This is why battlebrothers should not exist. It gives the few that actually have it an unfair advantage since they have a MUCH wider array of tactics.

My orks have no battlebrothers at all,or tau for that matter anymore. Any idea how much i would love to field battlewagons full of plague marines lol

I feel bad for my friend. He's said that apparently most people look at all the cool things Eldar will have with the new release. That's depressing to hear.

And if anyone challenges me using DE and Eldar together with Deep Striking Wraithguard, I will kindly pass. That's beyond stupid.



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 Vineheart01 wrote:
This is why battlebrothers should not exist. It gives the few that actually have it an unfair advantage since they have a MUCH wider array of tactics.

My orks have no battlebrothers at all,or tau for that matter anymore. Any idea how much i would love to field battlewagons full of plague marines lol

Which is why....Gogo Fantasy! No Ally rules!........yet, that is. >.<

Counter with a squad of invisible, prescienced Centurions in Space Wolf drop pods and an Inquisitor... for fluff purposes of course.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Counter with a squad of invisible, prescienced Centurions in Space Wolf drop pods and an Inquisitor... for fluff purposes of course.

I'll get my Necrons right on that.

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah, so if the rumours are true , everyone enjoy Eldar taking a Dark Eldar Formation of 1 HQ 2 Troops and 6 Fast Attack, loading up on Raiders w/ their 3 + Jink and being a assault vehicle and then Deep Striking the Archon with FireDragons or Wraithguard.

Just putting this out there.

This better not be true.

ugh, I really hope its not true. No one should have to face 30 Fire Dragons who deepstrike.

and the rumors continue.

Webway portal becoming pinpoint Deepstrike for the bearer and his unit is going to turn into a bearer and a bunch of D-Sythe Wraith guard. Just vaporize just about anything

 krodarklorr wrote:
I feel bad for my friend. He's said that apparently most people look at all the cool things Eldar will have with the new release. That's depressing to hear.

Look at all the good things the Imperium got with the GK release.

 ductvader wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I feel bad for my friend. He's said that apparently most people look at all the cool things Eldar will have with the new release. That's depressing to hear.

Look at all the good things the Imperium got with the GK release.

I'll add that to the reasons I question why I play this game sometimes...

 krodarklorr wrote:
I feel bad for my friend. He's said that apparently most people look at all the cool things Eldar will have with the new release. That's depressing to hear.

And if anyone challenges me using DE and Eldar together with Deep Striking Wraithguard, I will kindly pass. That's beyond stupid.



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 Vineheart01 wrote:
This is why battlebrothers should not exist. It gives the few that actually have it an unfair advantage since they have a MUCH wider array of tactics.

My orks have no battlebrothers at all,or tau for that matter anymore. Any idea how much i would love to field battlewagons full of plague marines lol

Which is why....Gogo Fantasy! No Ally rules!........yet, that is. >.<

I dont think battle brothers shouldn't exist, but I have to agree when people are doing crazy lists designed for tournaments. Largely I have been having fun with the new ork codex, and even if there are no "curbstomp" lists available to them.

If someone brings this kind of stuff to the table, I'll just shrug and say that he autowins with that list, and I just hope the people at my local GW that play dark eldar don't bring this kind of stuff.

Geez... it's so ashaming that players always show those knee-jerk reactions. Instead of welcoming the challenge it's the same old song again: "Game destroyed... yadda yadda... unfair..."

Well one can hope there are some restrictions on that Webway portal but I highly doubt it.

Also, Raiders can deepstrike as well now so you can deepstrike Wraithguard or Fire Dragons.

Wraith guard would actually be pretty bad ass. Of course Ithink you could only get 5 or 6 in the Raiders , can't remember if they are bulky or very bulky.

They are bulky. And it's tough, but not imba. Wraithguards are pretty expensive and have only 1W. As a suicide unit they are maybe too expensive and are all but unkillable.

 Murenius wrote:
Geez... it's so ashaming that players always show those knee-jerk reactions. Instead of welcoming the challenge it's the same old song again: "Game destroyed... yadda yadda... unfair..."

Spoiler:

you know I was thinking the same thing before I thought about the implications of BB's.

Anyways, Guess we just have to see.

Yeah it's not freaking out but then you go , waiiiiit a second all of the disadvantages that some units in the Eldar army have can be completely eliminated and then it becomes a " That gak's broken".

Especially when you remember there is the Iyanden codex.

It just get's a little to much.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

Anyways, Guess we just have to see.

This!

Okay well I'm going to make a huge " I told you so" thread when in 3 months most Eldar lists include the Dark Eldar formation.

I mean sure I hope I'm wrong but everything so far leads us to believe that raiders etc.. can be taken as a F. Attack option and we know there is a Formation for D. Eldar that allows them to have 6 F. Attack.

Sure maybe there's a restriction, I'm hoping there is, but there is likely not.

Hollismason wrote:
Okay well I'm going to make a huge " I told you so" when in 3 months most Eldar lists include the Dark Eldar formation.

and you have every right too =P then we just have to deal with it I think

 Murenius wrote:
They are bulky. And it's tough, but not imba. Wraithguards are pretty expensive and have only 1W. As a suicide unit they are maybe too expensive and are all but unkillable.

Yeah, getting 5 of them in a raider and DSing is a medium risk medium reward option. You might drift out of range or you might drift into the enemy. Dcythes especilly as they have such a sweet spot with the templates.

But then in a raider, you have to wreck the raider, with it's 3+ cover not easy but certainly not too hard. Blowing it up wont do anythign to the wraithguard though, who you now need to kill. 5 T6 3+ wounds against isnt easy but isnt super hard. For the cost it isnt too bad.

Fire dragons are cheaper, can fit more in a raider or can be put in a venom. They have a little less range than Dcannons, but more than Dsythes.


In a raider, you are looking at something more or less similar to drop pod space marines. A little cheaper, perhaps a little more deadly, but more risky, arriving later, and less durable once on the ground.


The Webway portal rumor though, allows you to really hit the sweet spot on flame templates. If you could fit the bearer and 5 wraithguard in a raider(you cant) there would be even bigger problems.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
This is why battlebrothers should not exist. It gives the few that actually have it an unfair advantage since they have a MUCH wider array of tactics.

My orks have no battlebrothers at all,or tau for that matter anymore. Any idea how much i would love to field battlewagons full of plague marines lol

Atleast your orks get allies. My poor nid's get boned of even that little.

barnowl wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
This is why battlebrothers should not exist. It gives the few that actually have it an unfair advantage since they have a MUCH wider array of tactics.

My orks have no battlebrothers at all,or tau for that matter anymore. Any idea how much i would love to field battlewagons full of plague marines lol

Atleast your orks get allies. My poor nid's get boned of even that little.

You know you can take Come the Apocalypse allies now, right? They're scoring too.

Don't things that Deepstrike move as cruising speed? meaning all the snap shots and no disembarking?

Sounds like the perfect chance to turn around, flamer then assault the tank.

they used to, they changed it to combat speed in 7th. it allows droppods to fire their gun on the drop rather than snapping a turn.

 Desubot wrote:
Don't things that Deepstrike move as cruising speed? meaning all the snap shots and no disembarking?

Sounds like the perfect chance to turn around, flamer then assault the tank.

seems to be combat speed now. everything but assault is kosher

Oh my so no need to snap storms off drop pods

how in the world did i miss that. now considering missiles in pods.


looks like Deepstriking wraith flamers of death is a go :/

I'm so glad I recently won/bought another 6 Wraightguard and 5 Fire Dragons from eBay, because if this is true everyone will be trying to buy them soon.

Wait can you deep strike and fire a Flamer? I didn't think you could. Or maybe I'm confused.


Also, why not just fly around in Venoms or Raiders loaded up with D-Cannons or Vibro Cannons or a 10 Man squad of Dark Reapers, flying around w/ a 3+ Jink Save in the Back field firing off their guns.

Hollismason wrote:
Wait can you deep strike and fire a Flamer? I didn't think you could. Or maybe I'm confused.


Also, why not just fly around in Venoms or Raiders loaded up with D-Cannons or Vibro Cannons.

I think its a passover from 6th to 7th.. where Deepstriking vehicles moved at cruising speed and now is combat speed allowing passenger to fire without snaps.

Its why the missile blast upgrade on the drop pods where slightly useless.

D-cannons and vibro cannons are heavy no?

Moving passed 6" in a venom would make em snap which is a slight bit usless.

They're relentless.

Hollismason wrote:
Wait can you deep strike and fire a Flamer? I didn't think you could. Or maybe I'm confused.
Also, why not just fly around in Venoms or Raiders loaded up with D-Cannons or Vibro Cannons.

of course you can fire a flamer, so long as it isn't heavy you can fire it.


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Hollismason wrote:
They're relentless.

well then you could fire them, so long as you don't move more than 6". But what have you gained? You can already move and shoot. Putting them in a vehicle doesnt make them more durrable(at least not much)