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Title says it all, avoid fluff questions, I literally just cracked it now,

Night shields are indeed stealth and are unfortunately 15pts

Power from pain is indeed turn based.

1: Nothing
2: Feel no pain 6+
3: FNP
4: FNP, furious charge
5: FNP, FC, Fearless
6+: FNP, FC, Fearless, Rage

Combat Drugs is still 1 roll for the whole army
1: +1 attack
2: +1 S
3: + 1 I
4. + 1 toughness
5: +1 WS
6: + 1 Ld

Real Space Raiders detachment looks fun, max 6 fast, min 2 troop, 1 hq, 1 fast, any turn where night fight is used troops get a 5+ cover save (so 4+ in night fight cause stealth) and all others have a 6+ (5+) save.

Grotesques have rampage and 3 attacks base, and armed with flesh gauntlets! on 6's to wound they cause instant death. That's 6 to 8 attacks each when they charge, and 5 to 7 when normal if out numbered

Scourges got amazing, 4 special or heavy choices per unit regardless of size, so 120pts gets you 5 scourages with 4 haywire blasters.

Ravagers went up in cost. From 125pts before for flickers and nights to 140pts for just lances and night shields.

Bomber and razorwing went up in cost and didn't really change, night shields on them is pretty scary as it makes them durable as hell.

What does Uriel cost and what are his stats/war gear/rules?
What does wracks cost and what do they have acces to and what rules do they have?
What does scourges cost in ppm?
How does the chronos parasite work now that pain tokens are gone?

Did they increase the cost of venoms or raiders from the previous codex?

 Zewrath wrote:
What does Uriel cost and what are his stats/war gear/rules?
What does wracks cost and what do they have acces to and what rules do they have?
What does scourges cost in ppm?
How does the chronos parasite work now that pain tokens are gone?

Rakarth is 140 same stats as before, he gives all units with 12" +1 to the power from pain. lost his always gain a wound back rule

Wracks are the same cost, but start at 5 models now (boo) 2 poisoned CCWs

Scourages are 16ppm

Cronos doesn't do anything, the probe I cant find the stats on, the syphon and vortex are just template weapons.


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Warmonger2757 wrote:
Did they increase the cost of venoms or raiders from the previous codex?

Both are 55pts and fast choices.

Raider upgrades its disintegrator to dark lance for 5pts so same as before

And back to the spirit probe I found it, all units within 6" of a model with it get +1 to FNP to max of 4+


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Ugh night shields are 15pts

Are dark eldar a viable choice? That is what I want to get away from all of this.

 BunkerBob wrote:
Are dark eldar a viable choice? That is what I want to get away from all of this.

Scourges can take 4 heavy/special choices per unit. 120pts gets you 4 haywire blasters. and you can take up to 6 fast choices with their detachment.

Webway portal gives the bearer and the unit and or transport they are in deepstrike that does not scatter, 20 warriors hit the dirt isn't bad.

So does this make them a one trick pony? I wouldn't mind selling off my growing collection of space marines, or Flames of War, or maybe my Orks (kidding, they are so random i will never have a perfect games because they could always do better) I've always enjoyed their form of lightning war but I don't want a simple one trick pony that will bore me to death (Because their forgeworld sail boats are awesome).

How does the new Dark Eldar dex compare to the old?

Stronger?
Weaker?
Better Internal Balance?
Worse?

Does it destroy a lot of armylists?

What's all the stuff that was removed? (characters, wargear etc.)

How are Hellions? Do they get grenades or any tricks?

Can you still fit two Haemonculi in a single HQ slot?

Do they all still have Fleet? Do they have anything similar to the Eldar Battle Focus?

 BunkerBob wrote:
So does this make them a one trick pony? I wouldn't mind selling off my growing collection of space marines, or Flames of War, or maybe my Orks (kidding, they are so random i will never have a perfect games because they could always do better) I've always enjoyed their form of lightning war but I don't want a simple one trick pony that will bore me to death (Because their forgeworld sail boats are awesome).

Nah, looks like they have a few tricks up their sleeve


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 Sephyr wrote:

How are Hellions? Do they get grenades or any tricks?

Can you still fit two Haemonculi in a single HQ slot?

Do they all still have Fleet? Do they have anything similar to the Eldar Battle Focus?

They get a whole lot of nothing. 13ppm is the only buff

Haemys do not have fleet and are 1 per slot. But can take the WWP and be attached to say 10 D-scythes wraithguard and spiritseer and deepstrike without scattering.

Nothing like battle focus and must things have fleet.


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 Sir Arun wrote:
How does the new Dark Eldar dex compare to the old?

Stronger?
Weaker?
Better Internal Balance?
Worse?

Does it destroy a lot of armylists?

What's all the stuff that was removed? (characters, wargear etc.)

Lots removed and lots was "streamlined" aka dumbed down.

It ruins certain lists, like anyone that had shardcarbine trueborn that went to the trouble of converting them will be upset.


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And Reavers with cluster caltrops (1 per 3 models) makes D6 s6 rending hammer of wrath attacks instead of one. So a unit of 9 would cause 6 s4, and 3D6 s6 rending HoW attacks.

Harlies?

Bharring wrote:
Harlies?

Gone.

Probably supplement or detachment later.

EDIT: Mentioned in fluff only.

Are blasterborn still a "thing"? aka can they still work or are they severely hampered?

EDIT: I'm trying to figure out what the best sources of AT are with this book. I know scourges with haywire blasters seem popular but wyches can no longer do anything about vehicles and ravagers have gained points plus lost one of their abilities, so it's a bit unclear to me how AV is dealt with.

Do Reavers have Hit & Run or any other ways of escaping from close combat?

Does the Splinter Cannon still have 36" range, or did they nerf that?

Do splinter racks work on ALL splinter weapons now?

Do Mandrakes have stealth AND shrouded?

Did witches get anything new, or did they just get hit with the nerf bat? In particular, do Hekatrixes have access to AP2 weapons?

Can Ravagers still fire all three weapons normally when moving at cruising speed?

Did they significantly change the Voidraven's bomb loadout?

Can an Archon take a Skyboard?

 Ravenous D wrote:

And back to the spirit probe I found it, all units within 6" of a model with it get +1 to FNP to max of 4+

was discussing with some friends... does it stack with other probes? would a unit of 3 Cronos give 4+ FnP right off the bat in turn 1? or 3 Cronos from different units? Or does it never stack with itself?

Are there any new toys in the DE codex?

 Ravenous D wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Harlies?

Gone.

Probably supplement or detachment later.

EDIT: Mentioned in fluff only.

Aren't they a codex eldar thing anyway?
I knew DE had them, but it was pretty much a double entry AFAIK.


As for a question: medusae? what do they actually DO?
I've seen rumors fly from 15 to 25 points with S4AP3, S3AP"dice", S3AP2 and all sorts of weird stuff. whats the REAL thing they do?

Harlequins are a general Eldar thing. Should be in both codices.

How are Incubii?

How do you keep getting codices early all the time? The one time I ordered I had to wait till after the release to get mine.

What named HQs are removed? Any added? What are the major rule changes for named HQs? Is Lelith or Drazhar actually worth their points now?

Mandrakes any better?

Davor wrote:
How do you keep getting codices early all the time? The one time I ordered I had to wait till after the release to get mine.

Pre-Order from GW and get expedited shipping. They will send yours out earlier. That's how I got mine. Also some stores break street date

Baron and nerf to Khymera pretty much mean the end of beastpack, if it wasn't dead already.

Are Splinter Rifles still the same? Or did GW remain stupid and keep them Rapid Fire?

 krodarklorr wrote:
Are Splinter Rifles still the same? Or did GW remain stupid and keep them Rapid Fire?

Still the same


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 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Baron and nerf to Khymera pretty much mean the end of beastpack, if it wasn't dead already.

More so the 12 model count max, Razorwing flocks got nerfed as well down to 3 wounds from 5 and up 5pts each. Lots of unnecessary nerfs in this book, but that's the Cruddance-Grant vision of 40k, plus you got to cut rules to fit the half page pictures of the models in each entry.


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 curran12 wrote:
Mandrakes any better?

They come with stealth, shrouding, and infiltrate and have baneblast standard as well as cheaper. Elites is pretty bare so they might see action.


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Davor wrote:
How do you keep getting codices early all the time? The one time I ordered I had to wait till after the release to get mine.

Lets just say I know people from my time working for GW in all levels of the company.


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 zephoid wrote:
What named HQs are removed? Any added? What are the major rule changes for named HQs? Is Lelith or Drazhar actually worth their points now?

Here are the HQs

Archon
Haemy
Urien
Succubus
Lelith
Drazhar

That's it


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pm713 wrote:
Harlequins are a general Eldar thing. Should be in both codices.

How are Incubii?

Harlequins are mentioned in the fluff over 2 pages so Im guessing supplement like inquisitors. Incubi are mostly the same, Klaivexes and Drazhar have rampage


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 Vector Strike wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

And back to the spirit probe I found it, all units within 6" of a model with it get +1 to FNP to max of 4+

was discussing with some friends... does it stack with other probes? would a unit of 3 Cronos give 4+ FnP right off the bat in turn 1? or 3 Cronos from different units? Or does it never stack with itself?

Says "This is cumulative with any other modifiers to feel no pain" and you can take 3 cronos as a unit. So a Haemy with a unit gives them the 6+ and the 3 cronos gives them the 4+ right off the bat.


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SYKOJAK wrote:
Are there any new toys in the DE codex?

Nothing. More was cut and nerfed then buffed. The relics are all pretty meh tastic.


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 DanielBeaver wrote:
Do Reavers have Hit & Run or any other ways of escaping from close combat?

Does the Splinter Cannon still have 36" range, or did they nerf that?

Do splinter racks work on ALL splinter weapons now?

Do Mandrakes have stealth AND shrouded?

Did witches get anything new, or did they just get hit with the nerf bat? In particular, do Hekatrixes have access to AP2 weapons?

Can Ravagers still fire all three weapons normally when moving at cruising speed?

Did they significantly change the Voidraven's bomb loadout?

Can an Archon take a Skyboard?

Reavers have hit and run standard

Splinter cannons are Salvo 4/6 36" (they felt they were too good on infantry I guess?)

Racks work on all splinter weapons

Mandrakes have both stealth and shrouded and infiltrate

Wyches got nothing but nerfs, they only gained the 4++ against overwatch as far as I can tell, all their weapons were nerfed, and haywire is only on the squad leader.

Ravagers were nerfed, can only fire 2 weapons when moving cruising and are 125pts base for the 3 lance load out. 140 with night shields.

The bomb is now large blast s9 ap2 Lance.


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 BoomWolf wrote:


Aren't they a codex eldar thing anyway?
I knew DE had them, but it was pretty much a double entry AFAIK.


As for a question: medusae? what do they actually DO?
I've seen rumors fly from 15 to 25 points with S4AP3, S3AP"dice", S3AP2 and all sorts of weird stuff. whats the REAL thing they do?

They are 25pts and its s4 ap3 template.


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 Accolade wrote:
Are blasterborn still a "thing"? aka can they still work or are they severely hampered?

EDIT: I'm trying to figure out what the best sources of AT are with this book. I know scourges with haywire blasters seem popular but wyches can no longer do anything about vehicles and ravagers have gained points plus lost one of their abilities, so it's a bit unclear to me how AV is dealt with.

They must be 5 strong now but yes you can take 4 special weapons and 2 heavy weapons for trueborn.

Wyches/warriors can sit in their rocking 3+ cover save boats and throw haywires from the squad leader. Besides that lances are about the same cost, other then the nerf to ravagers, and increased points on the planes. Basically if you don't spam haywire scourges you're probably doing it wrong (at least that is my first impression).

Does the base Codex still make Wracks troops if you take a Haemonculus as HQ? Or is that only in the Coven supplement?

 RatBot wrote:
Does the base Codex still make Wracks troops if you take a Haemonculus as HQ? Or is that only in the Coven supplement?

Negative, wracks are elites regardless. The coven supplement will make them troops.

I'd like to know more about the Raiders and Venoms having deep strike, do they have anything special or is it straight up Deep Strike. Since their skimmers I'd think they'd ignore terrain or would be unaffect unsure.


The formation in the book itself , the one that allows 6 FA, what exactly does that entail

The Web Way Portal what exactly does that do.

Hollismason wrote:
I'd like to know more about the Raiders and Venoms having deep strike, do they have anything special or is it straight up Deep Strike. Since their skimmers I'd think they'd ignore terrain or would be unaffect unsure.


The formation in the book itself , the one that allows 6 FA, what exactly does that entail

The Web Way Portal what exactly does that do.

Its straight up deepstrike just the USR. They would still take dangerous terrain tests.

The realspace raid detachments is min 1 HQ, 2 Troop, 1 Fast. You can get up to 6 fast choices. You get a reroll on the dark eldar warlord table and if its night fight at any point your troops get a 5+ cover save (which is then improved by night fights stealth) and every other unit gets a 6+ (5+ with stealth).

Webway portals are amazing. A character that has a webway portal that joins a unit gives that unit and its transport deepstrike with no scatter, so Archon or Haemy with WWP with 10 D-Sycthe wraithguard with a spiritseer with voice of twilight = pain.

Wait so does it give them Deepstrike even if they don't have a transport or just Deepstrike if they have a transport.