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Experiment 626 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Not to mention that no plastic Greater Daemons is also a huge miss on GW's part.

Greater Daemons are a much wanted kit for a crossrange army. Better to put them out when they put out the Daemon Codex/Armybook, and try to lure some Fantasy players into 40K or vice versa. Putting them out in a Fantasy focused release would just dillute things.

I would think it would make much more sense to piggy-back the much larger, (and likely $80-100), plastic Greaters onto the End Times releases, as by late Oct/Nov, people are thinking about their Xmas lists and buying.
Those new 'uber-sized Greater Daemons would literally fly off the shelves during the peak buying season, and likely lead into cross-system sales.

You know we're never going to get 4 large size kits for an army book/codex release...

At this rate, I'll be lucky to get the plastic Lord of Change by 2050 or so.

Makes sense, but the Greater daemons will drive their own sales, especially if they come with SC build options. Glotkin sounds completely new, and End Times will boost his sales, letting them get another large kit sold.

I agree it's unlikely, but why not have a large Daemon release with 4 greater daemon kits? The system is cross faction, so could take up a double wide release slot- say 5-6 weeks. 4 Greater Daemon kits and Codex/Armybook could headline 5 weeks alone, and there are at least 4 smaller units that need plastic (Khorne Hounds/Karnarak, Fiends, Beasts, Planquin/Epidemius) that could fill in gaps, not counting new units and clampacks.

I just read the flailing tentacles rule again and it is odd. The way it worded he definitely does gain a permanent D3 attacks every time he attacks in close combat. However, without clarification I really, really don't think that is what is what was intended.
I'm not sure why they didn't just give him Random Attacks: D3+5?
A comprehensive set of universal special rules was one of the good things about the 8th ed release.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
better nurgly shots from Paul Scott Miniatures on facebook

Great looking models. The first guy looks like he's half way to becoming a chaos spawn though!

Antonio13 wrote:


I could see the old rule that models may only have the same mark as the general or no mark being kept for a Chaos Hordes list. That way you actually have to make a choice between all four marks using one book, or all 3 books using one mark/daemon of. Thats how it worked back in the Hordes of Chaos/Beasts of Chaos days.

I could also see them doing something like the combined list from the Tamurkhan book where the General's alignment and book determined the core of the army. The list was a bit complicated, but GW could just bring those over directly or with some minor changes.


But, then again, this is GW and therefore they'll decide they need to reinvent the wheel. AGAIN.

First DE then this GW have really been knocking it out of the park recently.

Damn, them's some good looking Nurgle models. It's rare that I see a scanned photo from that distance look that good, but those models look pretty killer.

Scottywan82 wrote:Oh thank goodness they didn't release a bunch of Tzeentchian stuff. I might have had to buy something. #SavedByCrappyReleases

*high fives to that brother*

That said, I suppose I should pick up End Times: Chaos the book, though I'm legitimately afraid I can't afford it

- Salvage

Does that character look like they just merged 3 CAD files they already had to anyone else?

At least a couple of bits from it seem very clearly taken from the plastic nurgle lord character, mixed with a little ogre and make part of the forsaken kit?

It just seems... Lazy? Rushed? Unprofessional?
Maybe the paintjob is throwing me but it doesn't look good to me.

I like the models quite a bit. Price is nice for 5 ogre-ish sized creatures.

Can't wait for the second end times book though. Loved the Nagash one. Well worth the $80 price tag. I'd say they were a better publication than anything other than the Horus Heresy FW books.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I I'd say they were a better publication than anything other than the Horus Heresy FW books.

Agreed, I'll get the book 100%. Disappointed it wasn't the headline, first week release again this time

Has anyone seen the price on the new end times book? Should I assume that it will be a silly expensive book for the slim rules content?

Anyone know of a good END TIMES PART ONE summary somewhere that gives us all the details?

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know of a good END TIMES PART ONE summary somewhere that gives us all the details?

in end times book 1 pages 1-the end

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know of a good END TIMES PART ONE summary somewhere that gives us all the details?

There's a reasonable one on Warhammer Forum

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=125323

 jonolikespie wrote:
Does that character look like they just merged 3 CAD files they already had to anyone else?

At least a couple of bits from it seem very clearly taken from the plastic nurgle lord character, mixed with a little ogre and make part of the forsaken kit?

It just seems... Lazy? Rushed? Unprofessional?
Maybe the paintjob is throwing me but it doesn't look good to me.

My thoughts exactly, and to echo earlier comments, it looks like they took the nurgle hero, scaled him up a bit, stuck some tentacles on them, and re-packaged it as something new.

That's the most frustrating thing about GW - they do excellent models like Nagash and Dark Elves, and then you get this slab of laziness.

 namiel wrote:
Has anyone seen the price on the new end times book? Should I assume that it will be a silly expensive book for the slim rules content?

Last one was $80 for a large, well done fluff book and a seperate codex/supplement sized book with rules. Not a ton of rules, if you're just looking for rules probably more than is reasonable to pay (I assume the rules will come out seperately at some point) but as a package it's reasonably price and extremely well done.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Has anyone seen the price on the new end times book? Should I assume that it will be a silly expensive book for the slim rules content?

Last one was $80 for a large, well done fluff book and a seperate codex/supplement sized book with rules. Not a ton of rules, if you're just looking for rules probably more than is reasonable to pay (I assume the rules will come out seperately at some point) but as a package it's reasonably price and extremely well done.

I keep hearing that but for all 4 books to keep the story going it will cost me $320 which honestly is outragus for a fluff story.

 namiel wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Has anyone seen the price on the new end times book? Should I assume that it will be a silly expensive book for the slim rules content?

Last one was $80 for a large, well done fluff book and a seperate codex/supplement sized book with rules. Not a ton of rules, if you're just looking for rules probably more than is reasonable to pay (I assume the rules will come out seperately at some point) but as a package it's reasonably price and extremely well done.

I keep hearing that but for all 4 books to keep the story going it will cost me $320 which honestly is outragus for a fluff story.

It is really not that outrageous as far as books go, especially quality ones. They are totally worth the price.

 namiel wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Has anyone seen the price on the new end times book? Should I assume that it will be a silly expensive book for the slim rules content?

Last one was $80 for a large, well done fluff book and a seperate codex/supplement sized book with rules. Not a ton of rules, if you're just looking for rules probably more than is reasonable to pay (I assume the rules will come out seperately at some point) but as a package it's reasonably price and extremely well done.

I keep hearing that but for all 4 books to keep the story going it will cost me $320 which honestly is outragus for a fluff story.

Then don't get it? I don't mean to sound snarky or snide but value is all based on what you find worth it. As someone who pays $20 for a hardback book after discount for normal novels (not Black Library) I don't see $60 as unreasonable for something of the quality and size of the "fluff books". Bear in mind I deducted about $20 for the rules supplement which is what it should reasonably cost (not what GW costs them at).

For me it's a quality product so I support it. It doesn't feel rushed or ill-thought out. It revitalized my love for WFB which is also a bonus but right now I'm just buying these fluff tomes. Either way, if the quality maintains I'll grab all 4. It took me almost a week to read through the last one and I was on vacation at the time. That's a lot more time than 3 books tend to last me on vacation

 Hulksmash wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Has anyone seen the price on the new end times book? Should I assume that it will be a silly expensive book for the slim rules content?

Last one was $80 for a large, well done fluff book and a seperate codex/supplement sized book with rules. Not a ton of rules, if you're just looking for rules probably more than is reasonable to pay (I assume the rules will come out seperately at some point) but as a package it's reasonably price and extremely well done.

I keep hearing that but for all 4 books to keep the story going it will cost me $320 which honestly is outragus for a fluff story.

Then don't get it? I don't mean to sound snarky or snide but value is all based on what you find worth it. As someone who pays $20 for a hardback book after discount for normal novels (not Black Library) I don't see $60 as unreasonable for something of the quality and size of the "fluff books". Bear in mind I deducted about $20 for the rules supplement which is what it should reasonably cost (not what GW costs them at).

For me it's a quality product so I support it. It doesn't feel rushed or ill-thought out. It revitalized my love for WFB which is also a bonus but right now I'm just buying these fluff tomes. Either way, if the quality maintains I'll grab all 4. It took me almost a week to read through the last one and I was on vacation at the time. That's a lot more time than 3 books tend to last me on vacation

Feels a little over priced in my mind. Looking at the first book expecially since you need the vc+tk books to use that undead legion book. Yes the fluff is great but lets look at it and double the page per page cost of black library books. The fluff portion should be around $30. Nothing i say will change anything but just voicing my opinion

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone know of a good END TIMES PART ONE summary somewhere that gives us all the details?

There's a reasonable one on Warhammer Forum

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=125323

Argh!

Workblocked!

Thanks for the link though - I'll check it out later tonight...

Yeah, you're not gonna convince me that a large, fully colored, hard backed book should cost $30. But to each their own.

As for the rules needing the other two books is why I considered $20 reasonable for that book alone. Granted, since GW has been selling supplements with less rules for $50 each you could always consider the fluff book to be $30 if that makes you feel better

The price of the book aside, looking at the rules for the blight kings even though listed as infantry they still seem very viable as a deathstar unit. The points cost for a unit of 15 with FC and 50pts of banner brings them to 680. Throw a nurgle character on demonic mount(to fit in for a LOS save) and you are looking at a 45+ wound block with a 3+ save vs shooting, T5, and MoN that block will be very hard to kill. It can put out 18 attacks+character attacks or 22+character with 2 hand weapons. If this unit is made MI then it will be INSANE giving them great weapons for tougher units and mass str4 for light infantry. It will become almost an auto-include because of its ability for points denial and the ability to destroy units.

Those do look awesome.

namiel wrote:Throw a nurgle character on demonic mount (to fit in for a LOS save) ...

The daemonic mount is on a 50x50 base, which means he'll have to ride the side - plus he wouldn't be getting a LOS! roll due to mismatched unit type (Monstrous Cav vs Infantry) anyway. I find the single supporting attak and lack of a regen/ward save are disincentives for taking more than 5-7 of these things ... and deathstars for points denial purposes are boring

decker_cky wrote:I imagine he'll be joining many units of ungors in the near future, since he ranks correctly with them.

Smart. Best use of Gutrot I've heard yet, and has me interested in the character for the first time. Also: sad Spumey doesn't have the 'Armed to the Teef' rule like the 'Kings

- Salvage

 Boss Salvage wrote:

namiel wrote:Throw a nurgle character on demonic mount (to fit in for a LOS save) ...

The daemonic mount is on a 50x50 base, which means he'll have to ride the side - plus he wouldn't be getting a LOS! roll due to mismatched unit type (Monstrous Cav vs Infantry) anyway. I find the single supporting attak and lack of a regen/ward save are disincentives for taking more than 5-7 of these things ... and deathstars for points denial purposes are boring

decker_cky wrote:I imagine he'll be joining many units of ungors in the near future, since he ranks correctly with them.

Smart. Best use of Gutrot I've heard yet, and has me interested in the character for the first time. Also: sad Spumey doesn't have the 'Armed to the Teef' rule like the 'Kings

- Salvage

my bad

Hulksmash; out of interest, why do you like the End Times story? Maybe it's just because the changes being made have taken a colossal dump over about half my projects, but I'm really struggling to understand why people I know to be fans of the WHFB background are so enamoured of a series that is wiping so much of that background out.

It really seems to me that GW are just using the End Times as an excuse to eradicate parts of the Warhammer World they're unwilling to spend the time and effort to develop without having to suffer a backlash for simply retconning them out of existence.

I think it's the fact the story is actually moving forward. Sure, background is great and all. I love all the fluff regarding the Warhammer Fantasy armies, but I also love seeing something new come to Fantasy. Not to mention that background fluff is still there. Unless you were playing an obscure army like Kislev (which didn't have a book anyways), then the End Times shouldn't have effected whatever your army includes.

All it does it move the story forward in order to make way for something new. Personally, I can't complain about that!

 Buttlerthepug wrote:
I think it's the fact the story is actually moving forward. Sure, background is great and all. I love all the fluff regarding the Warhammer Fantasy armies, but I also love seeing something new come to Fantasy. Not to mention that background fluff is still there. Unless you were playing an obscure army like Kislev (which didn't have a book anyways), then the End Times shouldn't have effected whatever your army includes.

All it does it move the story forward in order to make way for something new. Personally, I can't complain about that!

But surely all of that could have been provided with a similar multi-book-plus-new-shiny-models campaign centred around the multiple previous and barely explored "almost the end of everything but not quite" periods in Fantasy's history? I've never been a huge fan of interactive universes which are stories, rather than settings, there's too much danger of something exactly like this happening and having the story dictated to me rather than being free to create it myself.

My Tilean WHFB army is now "historical", as is my in-progress Kislevite Mordheim warband - the group I occasionally game with didn't actually play "Mordheim" as in the city, we used the rules for skirmish gaming in the "present" tied into our WHFRP campaign, on which subject; my Amethyst College mage character is now apparently dead and a Shade, because Nagash. My Priest of Morr is hardly likely to fair well given that Nagash has eaten/killed/replaced the Nehekaran God of the Underworld(given how often it's implied in the lore that all these different gods are aspects of the same entity I doubt Morr will be allowed to hang about interfering with the plans of GW's new favourite skeletal Lich-lord). That Priestess of Valaya model I've been working on on-and-off and writing Hired Sword rules for seems rather a waste of time now that particular Ancestor God is destroyed.

And that's just one book in, one book out of three or four and they've eradicated half a continent's worth of nations, over a dozen named-characters and gods, totally eliminated an entire Wind of Magic, and set up a storyline which will be completely ridiculously implausible if it doesn't result in the destruction of at least half the major cities and provinces of the Empire, most of Bretonnia, some substantial but as yet undetermined portion of all three flavours of Elves, and the complete disappearance of the entire Lizardmen faction. That just isn't recognisable as the Warhammer World to me any more.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

namiel wrote:Throw a nurgle character on demonic mount (to fit in for a LOS save) ...

The daemonic mount is on a 50x50 base, which means he'll have to ride the side - plus he wouldn't be getting a LOS! roll due to mismatched unit type (Monstrous Cav vs Infantry) anyway. I find the single supporting attak and lack of a regen/ward save are disincentives for taking more than 5-7 of these things ... and deathstars for points denial purposes are boring

decker_cky wrote:I imagine he'll be joining many units of ungors in the near future, since he ranks correctly with them.

Smart. Best use of Gutrot I've heard yet, and has me interested in the character for the first time. Also: sad Spumey doesn't have the 'Armed to the Teef' rule like the 'Kings

- Salvage

Festus anyone? Plus he gives them Poisoned attacks and he gets LoS since he's infantry too!