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 Pacific wrote:

I agree. Think he looks absolutely awesome and a bad-ass !

Trying to imagine him with a head-swap, and went through imagining some alternatives.. SAS balaclava, beret, marine helmet, none of them seem to work as well as the hat!

Anything works better than a hat. He's supposed to be a frontiersman in an environment which is actually fairly cold, so a hooded jacket would have been more acceptable than what we got.
A watch cap would have been more acceptable than what we got.

But it doesn't really matter, because apparently "you can just convert it!" to make it not suck.

I'm not really a fan of the hat either. But, at least his sculpt is good and salvageable, unlike Scylla. I think a headswap with the Foxtrot Ranger should fix him up nicely.

Honestly, Corvus Belli just needs to start bucking up and stop making what amount to single-piece sculpts.

Heads should be separate. For the price you pay for their models, even discounted, it's a joke that there are NO options.

I think the model is awesome and cant wait for tac bow ninjas now!

He looks very....walking dead to me which I like alot. Those people who dont like pop culture references I feel for you, but I HOPE they are here to stay. I love the van zant mini, the william wallace, jean of arc...ALL OF IT and its one of the strongest selling points at my game store to get people to play.

This is not a historical game...

Er, who said it was?

Or do the Hardcases practice shooting at...strawmen?

To be honest, I was hoping the Hardcase would look a bit more like Storm Shadow's design from the Vietnam flashbacks in the old Marvel GI JOE comics.



I think that would've looked cooler and would have been a better pop culture reference.

Or the guy in the background of the third panel. That'd be a lot better. In America, when you're not talking about actual wild west cowboys, the cowboy hat becomes a little contentious for a lot of us. It's just an unsettling start to the sectoral.

Also, interestingly enough, the Grunts' unit logo is almost identical to the U.S. army logo.

That's actually Snake Eyes. He'd also make a good pop culture reference.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, Corvus Belli just needs to start bucking up and stop making what amount to single-piece sculpts.

Heads should be separate. For the price you pay for their models, even discounted, it's a joke that there are NO options.

Why would they want to waste what is their strength, excellent sculpts?

Or should we forget the complains every time a 4 models box comes out about the "blunt poses"?

With how much talk about cowboy hats in the CB USA sectional thread, both for and not. There was no way we were not getting 1 or 2 models with cowboy hats.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, Corvus Belli just needs to start bucking up and stop making what amount to single-piece sculpts.

Heads should be separate. For the price you pay for their models, even discounted, it's a joke that there are NO options.

Why would they want to waste what is their strength, excellent sculpts?

Or should we forget the complains every time a 4 models box comes out about the "blunt poses"?

It is almost like some people need to have some thing to hate on, even if it mean they end up complaining about both sides. "I hate rage fist open chest pose, let make other part of the model interchangeable that will help" .

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, Corvus Belli just needs to start bucking up and stop making what amount to single-piece sculpts.

Heads should be separate. For the price you pay for their models, even discounted, it's a joke that there are NO options.

Why would they want to waste what is their strength, excellent sculpts?

Because one precludes the other, right?

Or should we forget the complains every time a 4 models box comes out about the "blunt poses"?

The complaints aren't over "blunt poses"(what is a "blunt pose" anyways? Is it straight and to the point?), but rather the recycling of assets from elsewhere. One shouldn't be able to immediately predict how a box is going to turn out based upon what other models have digital frames available, yet that has been the case lately.

Digital sculpting was supposed to allow for "more poses, more detail, and more models"; yet none of those aspects have really been met.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:


Why would they want to waste what is their strength, excellent sculpts?

Or should we forget the complains every time a 4 models box comes out about the "blunt poses"?

How would they "waste" sculpts by allowing customization? What part of the final product do you consider to be a waste?

I think there is a fine line between allowing customisation/multiple options, and affecting the overall aesthetic of the miniature. Simply put, if you add more options, you can compromise the latter because you have to allow for multiple fitting points.

This is why, if one is to use an extreme example, as lovely as something like the 40k Dark Eldar warriors are, they pale in comparison to the Juan Diaz sculpt of Lilith. Jes Goodwin had to compromise on detail to allow posability and multiple options. Some of the detail on the CB minis is so damned intricate I think adding multiple components would add a lot of complexity to the sculpting and production process. This would add to the sculpting time, slow down the release rate (which I think is just about right)

I don't think it's as simple as 'just add more heads' or 'just add more arms'.

SpecOps models and the Myrmidon boxed set beg to differ with you, on all counts.

I can't speak for everyone, but my biggest complaint is the lack of poses availble. The biggest offenders are the line troops. If a unit is AVA Total, I would like to have more than three basic CR poses. Take the Bolts for example. I really like the Bolts and would love to field a bunch. except I'm stuck with there only being one female CR, and two male CR poses. That's it. If I want more that aren't in the same pose, I have to convert. Why not just make a few more poses availavle?

Digital sculpting was supposed to allow for "more poses, more detail, and more models"; yet none of those aspects have really been met.

This sculpt is unique though. We have never had a bowman before (let alone someone reaching for it) and no one with a cowboy hat.
Also, while I am not American, I am currently living in Texas and I see a decent sum of people with Cowboy hats here. Not when I am working at the university but in the outlying town and surrounding cities? Yeah more so. While it is a stereotype it isn't like it does not occur.

I quite like the Hardcase. I knew that there were worries about Stetson hats, but this unit to me is the most appropriate to get one. I'll include this guy in my army hopefully soon, but I hope the general aesthetic of USAriadnan minis to stick as much as possible to the Grunts concept art. This guy being the exception is perfect, this guy being the norm, not so much.

 Pacific wrote:
I think there is a fine line between allowing customisation/multiple options, and affecting the overall aesthetic of the miniature. Simply put, if you add more options, you can compromise the latter because you have to allow for multiple fitting points.

This is why, if one is to use an extreme example, as lovely as something like the 40k Dark Eldar warriors are, they pale in comparison to the Juan Diaz sculpt of Lilith. Jes Goodwin had to compromise on detail to allow posability and multiple options. Some of the detail on the CB minis is so damned intricate I think adding multiple components would add a lot of complexity to the sculpting and production process. This would add to the sculpting time, slow down the release rate (which I think is just about right)

I don't think it's as simple as 'just add more heads' or 'just add more arms'.

Not true. Infinity frequently cheaps out by using the same set of legs, etc.. mutliple times



It's just a question of inverting priorities.

Instead of being stingy misers squeezing multiple miniatures out of fewer sculpting efforts, they could go 21st century and offer each miniature with a few more varients. Technologically it is the same thing. It's just a question of actually giving a damn about it.

I meant in the sense of allowing further customisation options Wonderwolf, and how that can potentially compromise the overall sculpt.

I do agree though that not all of those two-body box sets work well. Stuff like the Sekban or Kaplan I've found to be fine, you don't really notice that they are doubled up as there is a more 'uniform' appearance to them. Having one foot up on a crate does draw attention to it however...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Eurgh, stupid cowboy hat.

Wow that's shows how twisted peoples opinion gets
I said the same exact thing about a character's turban and was ripped apart by everyone....

funny how if its American culture under attack its okay...
but God forbid you say you don't like a hat on the character like a turban...oh my god I actually can't believe this....

so does that mean you're racist against whites or white Americans the same way I was allegedly racist against Sikhs

funny how that works... I didn't like a hat I was called a racist you don't like a hat no one says anything to you I'm going to say something you're a racist against white Americans

ClockworkChaos wrote:

Digital sculpting was supposed to allow for "more poses, more detail, and more models"; yet none of those aspects have really been met.

This sculpt is unique though. We have never had a bowman before (let alone someone reaching for it) and no one with a cowboy hat.
Also, while I am not American, I am currently living in Texas and I see a decent sum of people with Cowboy hats here. Not when I am working at the university but in the outlying town and surrounding cities? Yeah more so. While it is a stereotype it isn't like it does not occur.

In general, the comment was really about how we aren't seeing 4 unique sculpts in a unit box for instance, which, if anything, should be easier to achieve with digital sculpting.
Instead we have 2 bodies with different arms.

This is basically what Rackham ended up doing when they were going down the mass battle road and had unit boxes with bodies, arms, heads. The sculpts were nice but it compromised dynamic and characterful posing quite heavily.

Personally I would rather them go with more unique poses per box, even if it meant that a model could only be posed one way.
I'm never going to have more than 5 of 'x-trooper' on the board anyway, I'd rather they all look different.

 5deadly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Eurgh, stupid cowboy hat.

Wow that's shows how twisted peoples opinion gets
I said the same exact thing about a character's turban and was ripped apart by everyone....

funny how if its American culture under attack its okay...
but God forbid you say you don't like a hat on the character like a turban...oh my god I actually can't believe this....

so does that mean you're racist against whites or white Americans the same way I was allegedly racist against Sikhs

funny how that works... I didn't like a hat I was called a racist you don't like a hat no one says anything to you I'm going to say something you're a racist against white Americans

Turbans are worn by Sikhs for religious purposes, it's not just a hat. A cowboy hat is just a hat. It's pretty different.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Turbans are worn by Sikhs for religious purposes, it's not just a hat. A cowboy hat is just a hat. It's pretty different.

To be fair... there are some people who would say that a cowboy hat is worn for religious purposes in 'MERICA. Just saying. ^_^

Also Turbans are not exclusively worn by Sikhs. Turbans are used as a head covering by many cultures, cultures in Africa wear turban, and many Hindu priests wear turbans as well.

 Dark Severance wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Turbans are worn by Sikhs for religious purposes, it's not just a hat. A cowboy hat is just a hat. It's pretty different.

To be fair... there are some people who would say that a cowboy hat is worn for religious purposes in 'MERICA. Just saying. ^_^

Also Turbans are not exclusively worn by Sikhs. Turbans are used as a head covering by many cultures, cultures in Africa wear turban, and many Hindu priests wear turbans as well.

Haha

And the character in question is a Sikh (Kirpal Singh I assume we're talking about) and is named after a real Kirpal Singh who wore a turban. That's why I focussed on Sikhism.

I already have played a modern horror RPG with Van Zant as my gun-nut character and almost used the Haqquislam sniper for a sci-fi character. Now I definitely want that hardcase for my post-apocalyptic character for a campaign coming up!

Is It mostly urbanites complaining about the cowboy hat? Where I'm at they aren't too uncommon, and no one bats an eye at them.

It looks dumb on that mini. That hat on a different mini would be fine. The bow? I can get that bow, or one very much like it, at a local sporting goods store. Heck, I've used a bow like that many times.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Bows actually make a good deal of sense when we're talking about this particular style of unit; what amounts to a "frontier guide". He operates long ways from civilization and given that USAriadna is also at the forefront of the fighting with the Antipodes a silent weapon that can have its ammunition replenished in the field by recovering it from your kills goes a long way.

Crossbows make more sense. Guns make even more sense. Less area needed to fire them than a bow. Also less motion, so less likely to reveal your position. Quarrels weigh less than arrows, and bullets weigh much less, so you can carry more, off-setting any advantage one may get from potentially recoverable ammunition. And arrows are not always recoverable. You can fire a gun even if you have an injured arm, or even two, in many cases. A bow? Nope.

When you're wearing that hat, the drawstring of the crossbow, or a gun, won't catch on the hat's brim the way a bow will, and send it flying off off your head like a nice signal flare. Bows, and crossbows, are not silent. They are not loud, but they do produce sound when fired. And so do the arrows and quarrels in flight-- more sound than bullets. One will hear the arrow before the arrow hits.

The idea of sending archers after antipodes, or on a spec-ops mission, is absurd. Archers belong in fantasy games, and maybe in those Zombie survivor games or a post-apocalypse sort of game, but not in Infinity.


At least we'll get to see the tinbot mini soon enough.

Edits for phone typos.

Oh the audacity! How dare they?
A gaming company exaggerating cultural stereotypes for distinction and flavour reasons? Unheard of!

Could write a lot more, but me and my nazi zombie buddies are out for brains tonight and the killagorilla experiment needs to be taken for a walk as well.





On topic, I think the model would benefit from a different paint job. I kind of like the sculpt, but it doesn't look tacticool enough for me. A jungle or night time pattern would make it look less crude, I think.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

I agree. Think he looks absolutely awesome and a bad-ass !

Trying to imagine him with a head-swap, and went through imagining some alternatives.. SAS balaclava, beret, marine helmet, none of them seem to work as well as the hat!

Anything works better than a hat. He's supposed to be a frontiersman in an environment which is actually fairly cold, so a hooded jacket would have been more acceptable than what we got.

Done


In all seriousness, though, I really like the mini, hat and all. And I'm generally not a fan of Ariadna stuff.

I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.