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I am sure if they remove Assault Squads from Troops there will be a Detachment or Formation centered around them.

 Orock wrote:

 valkyriePROfail wrote:
Done right or not, BA need a major improvement in terms of codex. We have been waiting for too long.

Ork player here. Just a reminder we got shat on after a long time and things you take for granted could be removed like jump troops. So don't get too excited for new, I for one would much rather have the old.

Orks didn't lose access to anything except the ability to play Elites and Fast Attack as troops.

Blood Angels Assault Troops are actually troops.

So we can look forward to point reductions and better internal balance ?

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 valkyriePROfail wrote:
Done right or not, BA need a major improvement in terms of codex. We have been waiting for too long.

Ork player here. Just a reminder we got shat on after a long time and things you take for granted could be removed like jump troops. So don't get too excited for new, I for one would much rather have the old.

Except i can assure you that we wont lose jump infantry as troops, and if we do then we'll get it back in our unique force org.

While I agree that Jump packers probably won't move out of the troops slot, GW has shown that, well, they are unpredictable. Never say never when it comes to how hard GW can screw you.

I would be zero percent surprised if ASM were no longer troops, and IF we get a formation it will be Death Company heavy, or vehicle heavy, or Sang guard as troops....etc.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 valkyriePROfail wrote:
Done right or not, BA need a major improvement in terms of codex. We have been waiting for too long.

Ork player here. Just a reminder we got shat on after a long time and things you take for granted could be removed like jump troops. So don't get too excited for new, I for one would much rather have the old.

Orks didn't lose access to anything except the ability to play Elites and Fast Attack as troops.

Blood Angels Assault Troops are actually troops.

So we can look forward to point reductions and better internal balance ?

Thank you for posting my argument for me!

Im tired of repeating myself to all the doomsayers.

Honestly I think the Doomsayers like to pop in, not read the thread, post Doom and Gloom and move on to another thread.

It's highly doubtful we'll see assault squads moved to fast attack. I expect a loss of "slot swaps" as that has happened to every army, but that's it.

It's not like the 7th ed books have re-invented the wheel or anything.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's highly doubtful we'll see assault squads moved to fast attack. I expect a loss of "slot swaps" as that has happened to every army, but that's it.

It's not like the 7th ed books have re-invented the wheel or anything.

I agree. Fluff is important to GW, despite (or perhaps because of) the economics. I mean, the new (yet to be released) Dark Angels expansion box contains very "Dark Angely" models, unique to their Army Book, even though those units are not necessarily the most effective in terms of game play.

I hear the "Unbound" comment, too, but at the local GW shop where I played all summer, no-one (except maybe kids) was running with that concept. Most gamers want to play a fun game, not a broken one. So, I still hope for unit & force organization chart changes that stick with the fluff--"Skies of Blood" and fierce close combat troops.

Plus new units just look so cool. I have all the original HQ models, but I would NOT be sad to see Mephiston or Dante get a re-sculpt.

 Orock wrote:
Sure, and 2 weeks before the ork book launched, I would have told you exactly that word for word about our nobz.

they don't want you playing jump troops as infantry, they WANT you to accept unbound as a thing, so the 12 year old who bought 3 riptides to do with his imperial knight and dreakdnight army can play you.

The difference is that Orks are lonely.
There are a gigantic amount of Space Marine Chapters and JP-Troops is one of the things that separate the BA from the others.
It's part of their identity as a unique Codex.

Troop-Nobz isn't really the identity of Orks, it's just something that is in their codex.
A similar thing would be if Ork-codex lost their 'random table that can backfire', that IS part of their identity.
Or if all their units had a maximum size of 10 - even Boyz.

About GW fluff and 7th codexes, they seem to go back to the basics right now. SW termies deepstriking comes to mind.
I read lots of comments hinting at 7th reminding of 2nd edition bot in mechanics and fluff.
Personally I dont know anything about 2nd ed Bloodangels (or 2nd ed in general), but suspect that would be a more reliable exspectation than comparing recent releases.

If 7th Edition returned Blood Angels to Second Edition Glory, Lord Mephiston will go toe to toe with Knight Titans and win

 adamsouza wrote:
If 7th Edition returned Blood Angels to Second Edition Glory, Lord Mephiston will go toe to toe with Knight Titans and win

Oh no, not HeroHammer again!

I understand that it would be a bad thing for 40K in general to go down that slippery slope, but just let me bask in the warm fuzzy glow of nostalgia for 2nd Edition, where my Lord Mephiston was literally never deteated.

 adamsouza wrote:
I understand that it would be a bad thing for 40K in general to go down that slippery slope, but just let me bask in the warm fuzzy glow of nostalgia for 2nd Edition, where my Lord Mephiston was literally never deteated.

I know they have nipple armor, but come on.

Bad news for us, there is yet another nid release rumor for next week:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Faeit posted a rumor about a new Zoanthrope / Venomthrope / Neurothrope kit:


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The box kit for tyranids coming out next weekend is a Venomthrope-Zoanthrope dual kit that will come with 3 models. The exciting part is that there is a new zoanthrope character upgrade called a Neurothrope, which very much sounds like the old Doom of Malanti. it comes with a spirit leech -warp charge 1, that targets an enemy unit within 18". Leadership check on 3d6 or suffer a wound by each point the test was failed with no armour or cover saves. Each wound also adds 1 to your dice pool for Warp Blasts.

Very exciting time to play Tyranids. So many new kits that really expand our book.

At earliest we will see BA stuff start churning out the 21st, and odds are December wont see a codex release. That gives us a very narrow window for seeing the Angels in 2014, but heres hoping.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I understand that it would be a bad thing for 40K in general to go down that slippery slope, but just let me bask in the warm fuzzy glow of nostalgia for 2nd Edition, where my Lord Mephiston was literally never deteated.

I know they have nipple armor, but come on.

It's true, though, no one ever got close enough to give them a tweak,

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Bad news for us, there is yet another nid release rumor for next week:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Faeit posted a rumor about a new Zoanthrope / Venomthrope / Neurothrope kit:


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The box kit for tyranids coming out next weekend is a Venomthrope-Zoanthrope dual kit that will come with 3 models. The exciting part is that there is a new zoanthrope character upgrade called a Neurothrope, which very much sounds like the old Doom of Malanti. it comes with a spirit leech -warp charge 1, that targets an enemy unit within 18". Leadership check on 3d6 or suffer a wound by each point the test was failed with no armour or cover saves. Each wound also adds 1 to your dice pool for Warp Blasts.

Very exciting time to play Tyranids. So many new kits that really expand our book.

At earliest we will see BA stuff start churning out the 21st, and odds are December wont see a codex release. That gives us a very narrow window for seeing the Angels in 2014, but heres hoping.

Well, LoWG predicted december, and i actually argued with them on it saying it didnt make any sense, but i guess they were right. Again. They are insisting that the book will come out before the end of 2014. I trust them.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Shield of Baal is the first release for the campaign. There will be more. It comes in two hardback books and in a slipcase.

book 1 comes with all the details on the invasion- background
includes the invasion of the Cryptus System, called the shieldworlds of Baal.
the astra militarum, blood angels and even the sisters of battle are mentioned here.

book 2 is rules including, Echoes of War scenarios (6), a cities of death expansion with 6 new missions, death from the skies rules for aerial combat.

Forces of Leviathan: a new detachment for Tyranids with warlord traits, datasheets for new units, and new formations.

No mention of the rumoured box set.

With Stormclaw there was the box set and a set of 2 Hardcover books released at the same time.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I understand that it would be a bad thing for 40K in general to go down that slippery slope, but just let me bask in the warm fuzzy glow of nostalgia for 2nd Edition, where my Lord Mephiston was literally never deteated.

I know they have nipple armor, but come on.

It's true, though, no one ever got close enough to give them a tweak,

Lord Mephiston has never felt the sting of the dreaded Nurgle Purple Nurple

 pretre wrote:
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Shield of Baal is the first release for the campaign. There will be more. It comes in two hardback books and in a slipcase.

book 1 comes with all the details on the invasion- background
includes the invasion of the Cryptus System, called the shieldworlds of Baal.
the astra militarum, blood angels and even the sisters of battle are mentioned here.

book 2 is rules including, Echoes of War scenarios (6), a cities of death expansion with 6 new missions, death from the skies rules for aerial combat.

Forces of Leviathan: a new detachment for Tyranids with warlord traits, datasheets for new units, and new formations.

Hmm... 2 books? I cannot remember when Warhammer 40k got a supplement or a campaign set with two or more books. Sanctus Reach had "Deluxe sets", each containing the campaign book and a novella. Also no mention of the fact from the german white dwarf that the rules for the new tyranid units would be in it... Natfka was a little better with information lately... we will see when the first pics arive

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hmm... 2 books? I cannot remember when Warhammer 40k got a supplement or a campaign set with two or more books. Sanctus Reach had "Deluxe sets", each containing the campaign book and a novella.

That's exactly what we're probably talking about. Sanctus reach had a box and two books (not counting the novellas).

Fluff is important to GW, despite (or perhaps because of) the economics. I mean, the new (yet to be released) Dark Angels expansion box contains very "Dark Angely" models, unique to their Army Book, even though those units are not necessarily the most effective in terms of game play.

Yes and no - they are increasingly making "themed" units for the various Chapters even if they do look and sound increasingly silly and have to be crow barred and retconned in - wish they would look at what FW are doing in terms of model design.

I see, although it sounds like End Times with the fluff section in one and the rules in the other book, sold in a slipcase. SR had two books seperately released over 2 or 3 weeks

Man, I am really hoping for something in 2014. But you are right about the timing. There are only so many Saturday release slots left at this point. So they never do a new Codex in December? This sounds like if it is a Sanctus Reach style box set it could be a good Christmas present...

They never normally do a Codex/Army book release in December but this year, with the intense release schedule, themed expansion sets and other surprise releases I'd say that we could be in for a surprise this year!

I'm a relatively new Blood Angel player. I've been playing them for less than 6 months now. I've like to see a good point cost reduction across the board to balance Blood Angels out with the rest of the Space Marines.

I've just discovered how awesome Death Company is within the last few games so I hope they stay in the Blood Angel codex and doesn't become a side digital download, like the Assassins.

One of my main worries is that Sanguinary Priests will take a big hit.

Also, I'd really like to see specific rules for Sergeant Lorenzo get added.

No Blood Angel's in Decembers Warhammer Visions.

Eldercaveman wrote:
No Blood Angel's in Decembers Warhammer Visions.

How'd you know?

 LutherMax wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
No Blood Angel's in Decembers Warhammer Visions.

How'd you know?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/621735.page
top post.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 LutherMax wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
No Blood Angel's in Decembers Warhammer Visions.

How'd you know?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/621735.page
top post.

But were there Necrons in it ?