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 Red Marine wrote:
Ive only read about fifty pages of this thread. What talk has there been about chapter tactics? Looks like just FC. Any other clues?

No Chapter Tactics, since the book isn't a Supplement for Codex: Space Marines. All the rumblings point to army-wide Furious Charge, with no mention of DoA beyond Warlord traits. I'd imagine the book will, like the DE, GK, and SW books, largely rely on the use of a codex-specific Detachment to give you that feel you want, in exchange for losing ObSec.

But it's cool. I'll still run over fools with Baal Predators and light them up with Furiosos. I hope my precious frag cannons don't suddenly suck.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:
And as pointed out your analogy does not work because you are not the be all and end all of rules design. Just because you don't like the rules then doesn't mean that others don't like them.

Just because people like them that doesn't make them good, either.

I never said otherwise.

As to the unusual state of banners on termies I'm wondering if we'll see terminator honour guard, would explain the banners anyway.

So i played through all 3 scenarios in the deathstorm box yesterday, and i learned a couple key things.

1- the scenarios are an absolute blast. I suggest that everyone who gets it plays through at least once.

2- death company are awesome. Losing ws5 sucks, but having a 3 attack base sgt with a thunder hammer and rage is sweet.

3- the death company dread is still a murder machine. 6 str10 ap2 shred attacks on the charge gets stuff done in a hurry. The move through cover on magna grapples is hot.

4- captain Korlean is a boss. Decent survivability, solid combat capabilities with master crafted+furious charge+ counter attack, and a great warlord trait make him fantastic when combined with his low cost.

5- the formation is actually VERY strong. Fearless on the whole detachment (and counter attack for the death company) is very strong. Bloody toll is also awesome.

 Ugly Green Trog wrote:
As to the unusual state of banners on termies I'm wondering if we'll see terminator honour guard, would explain the banners anyway.

Extremely unlikely. Then you'd need a terminator Apothecary/sang priest (no model AFAIK) and a whole extra unit entry. That said, I'd love some Dark Angel-esque banners.

More likely it's just a 25-50 point option for your terminator squad and gives +1 attack or LD rerolls and combat resolution bonus.

The only space marine banners worth using ATM are Dark Angels Devastation banner I think.

 th3maninblak wrote:
So i played through all 3 scenarios in the deathstorm box yesterday, and i learned a couple key things.

1- the scenarios are an absolute blast. I suggest that everyone who gets it plays through at least once.

2- death company are awesome. Losing ws5 sucks, but having a 3 attack base sgt with a thunder hammer and rage is sweet.

3- the death company dread is still a murder machine. 6 str10 ap2 shred attacks on the charge gets stuff done in a hurry. The move through cover on magna grapples is hot.

4- captain Korlean is a boss. Decent survivability, solid combat capabilities with master crafted+furious charge+ counter attack, and a great warlord trait make him fantastic when combined with his low cost.

5- the formation is actually VERY strong. Fearless on the whole detachment (and counter attack for the death company) is very strong. Bloody toll is also awesome.

I'd argue that ATSNNF is actually better than fearless and kinda voids the detachments unique rules although counter attack is handy.

Banners are more of a fluff thing. I look forward to including them in my Ultramarines 3rd Company and the Blood Angels 1st, no matter what bonus they give.

But there was a rumor, and I can't for the life of me remember where I read it so take it with many grains of salt, but it was attributed to Faeit 212 that a new box of dual purpose Termies was inbound. Death Company or Honor Guard box set. Sorry I can't cite the source though.

In 6th edition youd be right. But in 7th with the slight nerf to ATSKNF and the much increased power of pinning weapons, fearless pulls out ahead. Particularly when playing an army that needs to stay mobile.

 th3maninblak wrote:
So i played through all 3 scenarios in the deathstorm box yesterday, and i learned a couple key things.

1- the scenarios are an absolute blast. I suggest that everyone who gets it plays through at least once.

2- death company are awesome. Losing ws5 sucks, but having a 3 attack base sgt with a thunder hammer and rage is sweet.

3- the death company dread is still a murder machine. 6 str10 ap2 shred attacks on the charge gets stuff done in a hurry. The move through cover on magna grapples is hot.

4- captain Korlean is a boss. Decent survivability, solid combat capabilities with master crafted+furious charge+ counter attack, and a great warlord trait make him fantastic when combined with his low cost.

5- the formation is actually VERY strong. Fearless on the whole detachment (and counter attack for the death company) is very strong. Bloody toll is also awesome.

Yea this Box was well worth the money.

The art/ the stories/ the detachments are pretty cool. Also since I play nids , the Broodlord model is just awesome. so awesome in fact that I cant believe it will be a one off model. Once I built the captain I was actually pretty happy with him. I'm going to start painting him up tonight.

The second box only cost me $50.00 after selling the extra rule/campaign book and a couple models I didn't need seconds of such as the captain. couldn't be happier

 DarthOvious wrote:

And as pointed out your analogy does not work because you are not the be all and end all of rules design.

That's ridiculous. What does "be all end all of game design" even mean?

 DarthOvious wrote:
Just because you don't like the rules then doesn't mean that others don't like them.

Find a single instance of me criticizing someone for liking the rumored changes.

t'was you who jumped up my ass for criticizing the rumored changes, not the other way around. I don't give a gak if people like or don't like what they're hearing about the codex. You've already pre-ordered 50 copies of the codex and 80 blood angels tactical kits? Good for you.

If you are not asserting that this somehow makes jump packs useless to take then on what basis are you able to call this bad rule design?

So you admit that I never made that assertion and that you're putting words in my mouth. I accept your concession then. Not a good practice, my friend.

This is what I meant by it being bad game design:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Nothing says "balance" and "forge the narrative" like your list working in randomly different ways every game unless you take a specific SC.

protip: you should read an entire conversation before jumping into it.

Why is Games Workshop giving the BA different bases? It makes no sense.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Why is Games Workshop giving the BA different bases? It makes no sense.

This question has been done to death. See the other threads.

Long story short, they felt like space marines looked better on 32mm bases, so their feet don't dangle over the sides.

Conspiracy theory; GW did it to spit in the faces of 3rd party base manufacturers or force people to replace the bases on all their marine models.


End of story.

Yes, force 3rd party company to sell more bases! I'm sure it's so tragic for them.

To the people arguing in this thread, this is why we can't have nice rumour threads. Behave or its going to have to go away, along with people who cross the lines of politeness or dakka's other rules

 BlaxicanX wrote:
jumped up my ass

Pro tip. If someone is figuratively jumping up your ass, it generally means they're agreeing with you or just giving you compliments to the point where it's over the top.

The phrase you were looking for is "jumped down my throat"

SO BACK ON TOPIC

The leaked pictures a few pages back showed librarians at 65 points and what may be captains at 90. So earlier assumptions that we'll be getting point adjustments down to space marine levels seem to be correct.

I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

mate, yer fethed.

 th3maninblak wrote:
SO BACK ON TOPIC

The leaked pictures a few pages back showed librarians at 65 points and what may be captains at 90. So earlier assumptions that we'll be getting point adjustments down to space marine levels seem to be correct.

This makes me a happy panda.

 Goldphish wrote:
I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

lmao.....my god the points. As someone who runs a DC army that's hilarious

 BlackArmour wrote:

 Goldphish wrote:
I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

lmao.....my god the points. As someone who runs a DC army that's hilarious

Truly the stuff of legends

 Goldphish wrote:
I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

Wow! You are one crazy son of a ! So awesome. Thanks for sharing!

 Goldphish wrote:
I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

That's what...2100 points just by themselves?

 Sidstyler wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:
And as pointed out your analogy does not work because you are not the be all and end all of rules design. Just because you don't like the rules then doesn't mean that others don't like them.

Just because people like them that doesn't make them good, either.

But you aren't a reasonable person to listen to when determining if an army is good...

 Goldphish wrote:
I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

That picture made my day. So cool!!!

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Goldphish wrote:
I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

That's what...2100 points just by themselves?

Well if they live though the opponents attack then I bet they win combat.

 th3maninblak wrote:
So i played through all 3 scenarios in the deathstorm box yesterday, and i learned a couple key things.

1- the scenarios are an absolute blast. I suggest that everyone who gets it plays through at least once.

2- death company are awesome. Losing ws5 sucks, but having a 3 attack base sgt with a thunder hammer and rage is sweet.

3- the death company dread is still a murder machine. 6 str10 ap2 shred attacks on the charge gets stuff done in a hurry. The move through cover on magna grapples is hot.

4- captain Korlean is a boss. Decent survivability, solid combat capabilities with master crafted+furious charge+ counter attack, and a great warlord trait make him fantastic when combined with his low cost.

5- the formation is actually VERY strong. Fearless on the whole detachment (and counter attack for the death company) is very strong. Bloody toll is also awesome.

Thanks for this, man. Nice to get some real feedback on what it looks like on the tabletop. The info about the viability of the DC and Dread is also very reassuring. That's one part of the fluff that I am looking forward to getting back into.

 Goldphish wrote:
I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

Please for the love all that's holy, stop quoting the same picture.

 Goldphish wrote:
I just need to know if Death Company are still capable of buying dual thunder hammers and running 30 strong.

Im mad you put on the double thunder hammers but then didn't put on their jump packs