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Ok, the horse is officially dead! You don't have to beat it anymore.

stormboy97 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yep, found the thread. It was BeakyCon 2012 with supposedly member of the Wrecking Crew using a weighted dice for his go first or seize rolls.

As for the event I'm also interested in the results and what people thought about the format.

It was not a member of the WRECKING CREW, it was a guy from south florida, there were several WRECKING CREW members there. I actually played and beat the guy with the dice, never noticed that it was being used. The dice in question was inspected later that night in the hotel and we all determined with a very scientific method( roll it a bunch of times while drinking) that it was wieghted. The guy using it was not in contention to win anything but the middle of the pack award. Had tons of random dice, he was DQed and hasnt been seen playing 40k since.

So no these two incidents are not related and no Kenny was not at Beaky Con.

Just putting a little truth to the statement.

Everything you said is true . Tasty taste from BoK was the player that saw him using the die in his game , the TO examined die and player forfeited their game and was generally DQ'ed from tourney( he payed only one more game the next day after his opponent had no one to play and said it was fine to get the game in ) , tasty couldn't stop crying, bitching and moaning about it for days on end , shaming the player into never playing again and ( in my opinion ) intentionally trying to hurt the reputation of beaky con even though they handled it in a100% professional manner .

zedsdead wrote:


I find it ironic that the same guy who refused to "out" a dice cheater caught red handed at his very own Tournament (Beaky 2) now wants to "tar and feather" these 2 guys. Joshes explination actually sounds plausible.. did the TOs ok the list ? seems this is the case. Kenny unfortunatly has a harder road to over come.. but i respect him coming here and being open about it.


you guys however did everything you could to keep "your" cheater from getting known....... hipocricy much ?

What are you talking about ? Beaky immediately owned up to it .

Beaky was raked over the coals for no reason other than tasty needed the clicks at BoK
And the player , a player who loved the game and had played forever , never played again

.

so, what about some actual army lists..... ?

Definitely interested in the lists.

I agree, the horse is long dead

Lists would be interesting; we had a lot of negative feedback ourselves about things like the Transcendent C'tan in the Narrative and Trios, though it did not win said events.

I think it's always a bit of a frustration that the forums and blogs consider themselves crusaders trying to make sure fellow hobbyists are punished properly for hiccups or mistakes in toy soldier games. It's really Feast's responsibility, and we should give a little trust and compassion to a bunch of people who put long hours and hard work into running their event as best they can. Hundreds of people showed up, and instead of being celebrated, there's flames goin' on over a 32-person event and some fairly believable honest mistakes.

+1 to "what went great?" and "what lists" and "dead horse."

+1 to all the amazing spinning going on .

MVBrandt wrote:
Lists would be interesting; we had a lot of negative feedback ourselves about things like the Transcendent C'tan in the Narrative and Trios, though it did not win said events.

Not understanding this statement? Adepticon isn't allowing the C'tan because it's unbeatable. How was it beaten?

 mk2 wrote:

stormboy97 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yep, found the thread. It was BeakyCon 2012 with supposedly member of the Wrecking Crew using a weighted dice for his go first or seize rolls.

As for the event I'm also interested in the results and what people thought about the format.

It was not a member of the WRECKING CREW, it was a guy from south florida, there were several WRECKING CREW members there. I actually played and beat the guy with the dice, never noticed that it was being used. The dice in question was inspected later that night in the hotel and we all determined with a very scientific method( roll it a bunch of times while drinking) that it was wieghted. The guy using it was not in contention to win anything but the middle of the pack award. Had tons of random dice, he was DQed and hasnt been seen playing 40k since.

So no these two incidents are not related and no Kenny was not at Beaky Con.

Just putting a little truth to the statement.

Everything you said is true . Tasty taste from BoK was the player that saw him using the die in his game , the TO examined die and player forfeited their game and was generally DQ'ed from tourney( he payed only one more game the next day after his opponent had no one to play and said it was fine to get the game in ) , tasty couldn't stop crying, bitching and moaning about it for days on end , shaming the player into never playing again and ( in my opinion ) intentionally trying to hurt the reputation of beaky con even though they handled it in a100% professional manner .

zedsdead wrote:


I find it ironic that the same guy who refused to "out" a dice cheater caught red handed at his very own Tournament (Beaky 2) now wants to "tar and feather" these 2 guys. Joshes explination actually sounds plausible.. did the TOs ok the list ? seems this is the case. Kenny unfortunatly has a harder road to over come.. but i respect him coming here and being open about it.


you guys however did everything you could to keep "your" cheater from getting known....... hipocricy much ?

What are you talking about ? Beaky immediately owned up to it .

Beaky was raked over the coals for no reason other than tasty needed the clicks at BoK
And the player , a player who loved the game and had played forever , never played again

.

Actually no... he was raked over the coals for not being transparent and letting the community know who the guy was because he was a friend and from his local gaming community.

Nevermind.

I was the Tyranid player at the invitational. The only tyranid player, I was running a single CAD with:
2 Flyrants + Devourers + ES Grubs (Duh)
Malanthrope
Tervigon
30 Gaunts
20 Gargoyles
Dimachaeron
2 Carnifexes + Devourers

Over all I went 6-1. I lost my very first game on Friday. And I blame that on having a very good opponent with 6 vendetta valkerye elysian drop troops that I was in no way prepared for, and the fact that I looked at the mission packet wrong. I didn't realize the Objectives were cumulative until turn 5. I argued with my opponent over the end game score but in the end decided it was my own fault for not reading the mission properly and gave him the win. My next games involved facing White Scar Grav Bikers with khan, Ork nob bikers supported by lots of artillery, DE, Triptide tau with farsight and a knight, A knight Castigator with imp guard and pask including 2 wyverns and a hydra on a skyshield. Then finally for the top of bracket 2 I ended up facing my original opponent again. 6 Valkyrie vendetta elysian troops all with melta bombs. This time around I was very careful with the mission and knew to give him first turn since he started entirely in reserve. I came away with the win and took the top of bracket 2.

Shame on you Zed,

Public shame for a mistake. Why didn't Tasty post his name then? Beaky took the hit for no reason other than a personal vendetta. The player was dealt with and Dq'ed. The circumstances here were very different. Beaky was at a mid level table, FoB was at the top table. There was no anonymity possible at FoB. I hope other TOs do not take your pious stance and avoid public shaming.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

zedsdead wrote:

 mk2 wrote:

stormboy97 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yep, found the thread. It was BeakyCon 2012 with supposedly member of the Wrecking Crew using a weighted dice for his go first or seize rolls.

As for the event I'm also interested in the results and what people thought about the format.

It was not a member of the WRECKING CREW, it was a guy from south florida, there were several WRECKING CREW members there. I actually played and beat the guy with the dice, never noticed that it was being used. The dice in question was inspected later that night in the hotel and we all determined with a very scientific method( roll it a bunch of times while drinking) that it was wieghted. The guy using it was not in contention to win anything but the middle of the pack award. Had tons of random dice, he was DQed and hasnt been seen playing 40k since.

So no these two incidents are not related and no Kenny was not at Beaky Con.

Just putting a little truth to the statement.

Everything you said is true . Tasty taste from BoK was the player that saw him using the die in his game , the TO examined die and player forfeited their game and was generally DQ'ed from tourney( he payed only one more game the next day after his opponent had no one to play and said it was fine to get the game in ) , tasty couldn't stop crying, bitching and moaning about it for days on end , shaming the player into never playing again and ( in my opinion ) intentionally trying to hurt the reputation of beaky con even though they handled it in a100% professional manner .

zedsdead wrote:


I find it ironic that the same guy who refused to "out" a dice cheater caught red handed at his very own Tournament (Beaky 2) now wants to "tar and feather" these 2 guys. Joshes explination actually sounds plausible.. did the TOs ok the list ? seems this is the case. Kenny unfortunatly has a harder road to over come.. but i respect him coming here and being open about it.


you guys however did everything you could to keep "your" cheater from getting known....... hipocricy much ?

What are you talking about ? Beaky immediately owned up to it .

Beaky was raked over the coals for no reason other than tasty needed the clicks at BoK
And the player , a player who loved the game and had played forever , never played again

.

Actually no... he was raked over the coals for not being transparent and letting the community know who the guy was because he was a friend and from his local gaming community.

 Anglacon wrote:

 mk2 wrote:
Tasty taste from BoK was the player that saw him using the die in his game , the TO examined die and player forfeited their game and was generally DQ'ed from tourney( he payed only one more game the next day after his opponent had no one to play and said it was fine to get the game in ) , tasty couldn't stop crying, bitching and moaning about it for days on end , shaming the player into never playing again and ( in my opinion ) intentionally trying to hurt the reputation of beaky con



Beaky was raked over the coals for no reason other than tasty needed the clicks at BoK
And the player , a player who loved the game and had played forever , never played again

.

I don't know where in the world you get your information, but you might want to make sure the stuff you are saying is true..... I don't think Tasty was even AT the tournament, much less being the one who caught the guy.

And I won't stir up trouble here, but the rest of the stuff you said was all wrong as well.
the only thing partially true is that Beaky did own up to it, but never released his name/info.

You are correct sir! Never at the event I have no idea who and what this guy is talking about. This was my original post about the matter.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/10/15/tits-for-tournaments-beakycon-results-cheating-and-public-service-announcement/

I was the one who played the GreenTide. List was

GreenTide all powerclaws 90 boyz 10 Nobz 1 warboss
Weird Boy level 2
Mad Doc
3 MSU Grot squads
Bastion with Quad Gun

Here is my report from Feast.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2014/10/15/tits-tournaments-feast-cheating/

 thejughead wrote:
Shame on you Zed,

Public shame for a mistake. Why didn't Tasty post his name then? Beaky took the hit for no reason other than a personal vendetta. The player was dealt with and Dq'ed. The circumstances here were very different. Beaky was at a mid level table, FoB was at the top table. There was no anonymity possible at FoB. I hope other TOs do not take your pious stance and avoid public shaming.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

Oh please stop.... the only reason why anonymity was possible is because that's the way they wanted it. It was one of there guys.. and they didn't want him outed.. yea Beaky finally admitted the guy was cheating.. but it took some time and further players coming forward for the guy to do it. That's a far cry from his "illegal lists are illegal" black and white comment he made here.

Whats hypocritical is Beaky taking a pious stance on this issue.

And as I pointed out as well as others.. you guys seem to want to change history. Its clear thats what mk2 wants to do and has been clearly refuted. Pretty much just a continuation of the same ole same ole guys protecting one another.

I was the one who played the GreenTide. List was

GreenTide all powerclaws 90 boyz 10 Nobz 1 warboss
Weird Boy level 2
Mad Doc
3 MSU Grot squads
Bastion with Quad Gun

Here is my report from Feast.

Tasty! What could beat this army at 1500?

zedsdead wrote:

 mk2 wrote:

stormboy97 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yep, found the thread. It was BeakyCon 2012 with supposedly member of the Wrecking Crew using a weighted dice for his go first or seize rolls.

As for the event I'm also interested in the results and what people thought about the format.

It was not a member of the WRECKING CREW, it was a guy from south florida, there were several WRECKING CREW members there. I actually played and beat the guy with the dice, never noticed that it was being used. The dice in question was inspected later that night in the hotel and we all determined with a very scientific method( roll it a bunch of times while drinking) that it was wieghted. The guy using it was not in contention to win anything but the middle of the pack award. Had tons of random dice, he was DQed and hasnt been seen playing 40k since.

So no these two incidents are not related and no Kenny was not at Beaky Con.

Just putting a little truth to the statement.

Everything you said is true . Tasty taste from BoK was the player that saw him using the die in his game , the TO examined die and player forfeited their game and was generally DQ'ed from tourney( he payed only one more game the next day after his opponent had no one to play and said it was fine to get the game in ) , tasty couldn't stop crying, bitching and moaning about it for days on end , shaming the player into never playing again and ( in my opinion ) intentionally trying to hurt the reputation of beaky con even though they handled it in a100% professional manner .

zedsdead wrote:


I find it ironic that the same guy who refused to "out" a dice cheater caught red handed at his very own Tournament (Beaky 2) now wants to "tar and feather" these 2 guys. Joshes explination actually sounds plausible.. did the TOs ok the list ? seems this is the case. Kenny unfortunatly has a harder road to over come.. but i respect him coming here and being open about it.


you guys however did everything you could to keep "your" cheater from getting known....... hipocricy much ?

What are you talking about ? Beaky immediately owned up to it .

Beaky was raked over the coals for no reason other than tasty needed the clicks at BoK
And the player , a player who loved the game and had played forever , never played again

.

Actually no... he was raked over the coals for not being transparent and letting the community know who the guy was because he was a friend and from his local gaming community.

Actually NO...he was not a friend at all, in fact the guys at beaky banned him for life and barely knew him. Awesome how you make facts up though. That is part of the problem with the internet lynch mob tough guys...all talk no substance or facts.

You seem more dedicated to seeking out internet justice for your own satisfaction.

Shaming someone does nothing for the hobby. Repeat offenders should be banned. Seems you forgot all about forgiveness. Its man-dolls.

zedsdead wrote:

 thejughead wrote:
Shame on you Zed,

Public shame for a mistake. Why didn't Tasty post his name then? Beaky took the hit for no reason other than a personal vendetta. The player was dealt with and Dq'ed. The circumstances here were very different. Beaky was at a mid level table, FoB was at the top table. There was no anonymity possible at FoB. I hope other TOs do not take your pious stance and avoid public shaming.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

Oh please stop.... the only reason why anonymity was possible is because that's the way they wanted it. It was one of there guys.. and they didn't want him outed.. yea Beaky finally admitted the guy was cheating.. but it took some time and further players coming forward for the guy to do it. That's a far cry from his "illegal lists are illegal" black and white comment he made here.

Whats hypocritical is Beaky taking a pious stance on this issue.

And as I pointed out as well as others.. you guys seem to want to change history. Its clear thats what mk2 wants to do and has been clearly refuted. Pretty much just a continuation of the same ole same ole guys protecting one another.

 tastytaste wrote:

 Anglacon wrote:

 mk2 wrote:
Tasty taste from BoK was the player that saw him using the die in his game , the TO examined die and player forfeited their game and was generally DQ'ed from tourney( he payed only one more game the next day after his opponent had no one to play and said it was fine to get the game in ) , tasty couldn't stop crying, bitching and moaning about it for days on end , shaming the player into never playing again and ( in my opinion ) intentionally trying to hurt the reputation of beaky con



Beaky was raked over the coals for no reason other than tasty needed the clicks at BoK
And the player , a player who loved the game and had played forever , never played again

.

I don't know where in the world you get your information, but you might want to make sure the stuff you are saying is true..... I don't think Tasty was even AT the tournament, much less being the one who caught the guy.

And I won't stir up trouble here, but the rest of the stuff you said was all wrong as well.
the only thing partially true is that Beaky did own up to it, but never released his name/info.

You are correct sir! Never at the event I have no idea who and what this guy is talking about. This was my original post about the matter.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/10/15/tits-for-tournaments-beakycon-results-cheating-and-public-service-announcement/

I was the one who played the GreenTide. List was

GreenTide all powerclaws 90 boyz 10 Nobz 1 warboss
Weird Boy level 2
Mad Doc
3 MSU Grot squads
Bastion with Quad Gun

Here is my report from Feast.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2014/10/15/tits-tournaments-feast-cheating/

Hey bud I was at the table behind you when it happened . The following are facts that are not in dispute and if you don't agree I can drag up every witness there and see where we stand .

1. He had a die that was loaded to roll 6 (not all the time but most of the time, the first few rolls from Matt had a 2 come up as I recall ) , you yourself said you recognized it from a convention you went to. it was black with silver pips.
2. He said he did not realize that die was loaded. he actually used casino die that were even bigger so this die did not stand out (to him).
3. You went to the TO and told them what was going on.
4. The TO RULED IN YOUR FAVOR and disqualified him from the game and gave you the win. (beaky always did the right thing and they were harmed by the internet lynch mob that you yourself started but we can leave that for another post )
5. The player was mortified, literally in tears. He apologized to you on the spot (you can not deny this I was there!) explained that he and gone to our local store and grabbed the die because it looked cool from a grab box along with other ones , he did not realize it was loaded.
6. You refused to listen to him
7. he said if you could just get the game in, that he would show you this is not what he was about and you had the automatic win that he just wanted to play it out .
8. you shook your head upset and said I am not going to play you now or ever.
9. He played the next day against the last placed opponent who had a bye, after he asked permission from the TO and Opponent no less!
10, you came home and blew it up , you never stopped complaining about it there also , all you did was talk, talk , talk about it with your buddies loud enough for everyone to hear. You were the exact opposite of a gentleman in that circumstance.
11. The internet detonated. they wanted blood they wanted a name, they wanted to destroy this individual.
12. i found it curious the beaky guys did not give up his name(maybe they did eventually) , that shows a tremendous amount of integrity from Steve and Matt as they really barely new this guy.
13. the internet furor was so over the top, so insane...the player never played 40K again (even without his name being revealed ). A dedicated player with a fully painted army that he loved who had played for years and was a respected member of the community .

Now here is the part I will reveal for the first time, not even the beaky guys know this.

It did not sit well with me because this was someone I had played against and wanted the truth(at this point I did not really know) . I listened to his story, wrote everything down and VERIFIED IT without him knowing (at first). I went to the store in question, asked if he had been in and purchased dice recently , asked if he had purchased dice form the bin, took pictures of the bin. At this point I asked the store owner (with impeccable credentials, he has been in business for 39 years at the same store !) if he would sign a document stating what he just told me (he was like what???? then I explained) .

I talked to the store owner today, he will step forward. and just tell the truth that he knows .

The player (who has quit the game right after so who cares what his name is) , was then contacted by me, i told him we can make this public it could exonerate him ...he told me and I paraphrase " I don't care anymore, this is so bad, they will just say i found it there and knew about it and used it" the crazy thing is I have purchased dice from that bin FOR YEARS since i have been visiting the store since 1985.
This die was not drilled on one side, in fact you had to roll it a bunch of times to even know it could be loaded

Nick , you might not agree with me and i know you are a huge fan of the hobby but buddy you might have gotten this one wrong. Trust me you started the dominoes that destroyed this individual. Post script is he got into something else and is thriving in that community but we lost a dedicated tournament player.

 Darkness wrote:

I was the one who played the GreenTide. List was

GreenTide all powerclaws 90 boyz 10 Nobz 1 warboss
Weird Boy level 2
Mad Doc
3 MSU Grot squads
Bastion with Quad Gun

Here is my report from Feast.

Tasty! What could beat this army at 1500?

I had to play the same guy I lost to twice. I think I lost the first game by two points the second one by one point. I lost because A. my opponent was a good Tau player and B. I didn't read the missions beforehand caused me to lose the second game when I should have done some other things because I was unaware of one the victory conditions. If they were not really funky missions I would have beaten him both times, but he was a really good player and I should actually play to the mission hehe.

 mk2 wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:

 Anglacon wrote:

 mk2 wrote:
Tasty taste from BoK was the player that saw him using the die in his game , the TO examined die and player forfeited their game and was generally DQ'ed from tourney( he payed only one more game the next day after his opponent had no one to play and said it was fine to get the game in ) , tasty couldn't stop crying, bitching and moaning about it for days on end , shaming the player into never playing again and ( in my opinion ) intentionally trying to hurt the reputation of beaky con



Beaky was raked over the coals for no reason other than tasty needed the clicks at BoK
And the player , a player who loved the game and had played forever , never played again

.

I don't know where in the world you get your information, but you might want to make sure the stuff you are saying is true..... I don't think Tasty was even AT the tournament, much less being the one who caught the guy.

And I won't stir up trouble here, but the rest of the stuff you said was all wrong as well.
the only thing partially true is that Beaky did own up to it, but never released his name/info.

You are correct sir! Never at the event I have no idea who and what this guy is talking about. This was my original post about the matter.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/10/15/tits-for-tournaments-beakycon-results-cheating-and-public-service-announcement/

I was the one who played the GreenTide. List was

GreenTide all powerclaws 90 boyz 10 Nobz 1 warboss
Weird Boy level 2
Mad Doc
3 MSU Grot squads
Bastion with Quad Gun

Here is my report from Feast.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2014/10/15/tits-tournaments-feast-cheating/

Hey bud I was at the table behind you when it happened . The following are facts that are not in dispute and if you don't agree I can drag up every witness there and see where we stand .

1. He had a die that was loaded to roll 6 (not all the time but most of the time, the first few rolls from Matt had a 2 come up as I recall ) , you yourself said you recognized it from a convention you went to. it was black with silver pips.
2. He said he did not realize that die was loaded. he actually used casino die that were even bigger so this die did not stand out (to him).
3. You went to the TO and told them what was going on.
4. The TO RULED IN YOUR FAVOR and disqualified him from the game and gave you the win. (beaky always did the right thing and they were harmed by the internet lynch mob that you yourself started but we can leave that for another post )
5. The player was mortified, literally in tears. He apologized to you on the spot (you can not deny this I was there!) explained that he and gone to our local store and grabbed the die because it looked cool from a grab box along with other ones , he did not realize it was loaded.
6. You refused to listen to him
7. he said if you could just get the game in, that he would show you this is not what he was about and you had the automatic win that he just wanted to play it out .
8. you shook your head upset and said I am not going to play you now or ever.
9. He played the next day against the last placed opponent who had a bye, after he asked permission from the TO and Opponent no less!
10, you came home and blew it up , you never stopped complaining about it there also , all you did was talk, talk , talk about it with your buddies loud enough for everyone to hear. You were the exact opposite of a gentleman in that circumstance.
11. The internet detonated. they wanted blood they wanted a name, they wanted to destroy this individual.
12. i found it curious the beaky guys did not give up his name(maybe they did eventually) , that shows a tremendous amount of integrity from Steve and Matt as they really barely new this guy.
13. the internet furor was so over the top, so insane...the player never played 40K again (even without his name being revealed ). A dedicated player with a fully painted army that he loved who had played for years and was a respected member of the community .

Now here is the part I will reveal for the first time, not even the beaky guys know this.

It did not sit well with me because this was someone I had played against and wanted the truth(at this point I did not really know) . I listened to his story, wrote everything down and VERIFIED IT without him knowing (at first). I went to the store in question, asked if he had been in and purchased dice recently , asked if he had purchased dice form the bin, took pictures of the bin. At this point I asked the store owner (with impeccable credentials, he has been in business for 39 years at the same store !) if he would sign a document stating what he just told me (he was like what???? then I explained) .

I talked to the store owner today, he will step forward. and just tell the truth that he knows .

The player (who has quit the game right after so who cares what his name is) , was then contacted by me, i told him we can make this public it could exonerate him ...he told me and I paraphrase " I don't care anymore, this is so bad, they will just say i found it there and knew about it and used it" the crazy thing is I have purchased dice from that bin FOR YEARS since i have been visiting the store since 1985.
This die was not drilled on one side, in fact you had to roll it a bunch of times to even know it could be loaded

Nick , you might not agree with me and i know you are a huge fan of the hobby but buddy you might have gotten this one wrong. Trust me you started the dominoes that destroyed this individual. Post script is he got into something else and is thriving in that community but we lost a dedicated tournament player.

I WAS NOT AT THIS EVENT! Never been to Florida in my entire life. Unless you are talking about another Nick or referring to someone else in this off track thread.

To be fair to Tasty, his article says it was from Altmann.

 tastytaste wrote:

 mk2 wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:

 Anglacon wrote:

 mk2 wrote:
Tasty taste from BoK was the player that saw him using the die in his game , the TO examined die and player forfeited their game and was generally DQ'ed from tourney( he payed only one more game the next day after his opponent had no one to play and said it was fine to get the game in ) , tasty couldn't stop crying, bitching and moaning about it for days on end , shaming the player into never playing again and ( in my opinion ) intentionally trying to hurt the reputation of beaky con



Beaky was raked over the coals for no reason other than tasty needed the clicks at BoK
And the player , a player who loved the game and had played forever , never played again

.

I don't know where in the world you get your information, but you might want to make sure the stuff you are saying is true..... I don't think Tasty was even AT the tournament, much less being the one who caught the guy.

And I won't stir up trouble here, but the rest of the stuff you said was all wrong as well.
the only thing partially true is that Beaky did own up to it, but never released his name/info.

You are correct sir! Never at the event I have no idea who and what this guy is talking about. This was my original post about the matter.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/10/15/tits-for-tournaments-beakycon-results-cheating-and-public-service-announcement/

I was the one who played the GreenTide. List was

GreenTide all powerclaws 90 boyz 10 Nobz 1 warboss
Weird Boy level 2
Mad Doc
3 MSU Grot squads
Bastion with Quad Gun

Here is my report from Feast.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2014/10/15/tits-tournaments-feast-cheating/

Hey bud I was at the table behind you when it happened . The following are facts that are not in dispute and if you don't agree I can drag up every witness there and see where we stand .

1. He had a die that was loaded to roll 6 (not all the time but most of the time, the first few rolls from Matt had a 2 come up as I recall ) , you yourself said you recognized it from a convention you went to. it was black with silver pips.
2. He said he did not realize that die was loaded. he actually used casino die that were even bigger so this die did not stand out (to him).
3. You went to the TO and told them what was going on.
4. The TO RULED IN YOUR FAVOR and disqualified him from the game and gave you the win. (beaky always did the right thing and they were harmed by the internet lynch mob that you yourself started but we can leave that for another post )
5. The player was mortified, literally in tears. He apologized to you on the spot (you can not deny this I was there!) explained that he and gone to our local store and grabbed the die because it looked cool from a grab box along with other ones , he did not realize it was loaded.
6. You refused to listen to him
7. he said if you could just get the game in, that he would show you this is not what he was about and you had the automatic win that he just wanted to play it out .
8. you shook your head upset and said I am not going to play you now or ever.
9. He played the next day against the last placed opponent who had a bye, after he asked permission from the TO and Opponent no less!
10, you came home and blew it up , you never stopped complaining about it there also , all you did was talk, talk , talk about it with your buddies loud enough for everyone to hear. You were the exact opposite of a gentleman in that circumstance.
11. The internet detonated. they wanted blood they wanted a name, they wanted to destroy this individual.
12. i found it curious the beaky guys did not give up his name(maybe they did eventually) , that shows a tremendous amount of integrity from Steve and Matt as they really barely new this guy.
13. the internet furor was so over the top, so insane...the player never played 40K again (even without his name being revealed ). A dedicated player with a fully painted army that he loved who had played for years and was a respected member of the community .

Now here is the part I will reveal for the first time, not even the beaky guys know this.

It did not sit well with me because this was someone I had played against and wanted the truth(at this point I did not really know) . I listened to his story, wrote everything down and VERIFIED IT without him knowing (at first). I went to the store in question, asked if he had been in and purchased dice recently , asked if he had purchased dice form the bin, took pictures of the bin. At this point I asked the store owner (with impeccable credentials, he has been in business for 39 years at the same store !) if he would sign a document stating what he just told me (he was like what???? then I explained) .

I talked to the store owner today, he will step forward. and just tell the truth that he knows .

The player (who has quit the game right after so who cares what his name is) , was then contacted by me, i told him we can make this public it could exonerate him ...he told me and I paraphrase " I don't care anymore, this is so bad, they will just say i found it there and knew about it and used it" the crazy thing is I have purchased dice from that bin FOR YEARS since i have been visiting the store since 1985.
This die was not drilled on one side, in fact you had to roll it a bunch of times to even know it could be loaded

Nick , you might not agree with me and i know you are a huge fan of the hobby but buddy you might have gotten this one wrong. Trust me you started the dominoes that destroyed this individual. Post script is he got into something else and is thriving in that community but we lost a dedicated tournament player.

I WAS NOT AT THIS EVENT! Never been to Florida in my entire life. Unless you are talking about another Nick or referring to someone else in this off track thread.

If it was not you then destruction was done by proxy as you posted only one side of the story , my story is still how it went down. Regardless of who I addressed my last post to.

 mk2 wrote:




Hey bud I was at the table behind you when it happened . The following are facts that are not in dispute and if you don't agree I can drag up every witness there and see where we stand .

1. He had a die that was loaded to roll 6 (not all the time but most of the time, the first few rolls from Matt had a 2 come up as I recall ) , you yourself said you recognized it from a convention you went to. it was black with silver pips.
2. He said he did not realize that die was loaded. he actually used casino die that were even bigger so this die did not stand out (to him).
3. You went to the TO and told them what was going on.
4. The TO RULED IN YOUR FAVOR and disqualified him from the game and gave you the win. (beaky always did the right thing and they were harmed by the internet lynch mob that you yourself started but we can leave that for another post )
5. The player was mortified, literally in tears. He apologized to you on the spot (you can not deny this I was there!) explained that he and gone to our local store and grabbed the die because it looked cool from a grab box along with other ones , he did not realize it was loaded.
6. You refused to listen to him
7. he said if you could just get the game in, that he would show you this is not what he was about and you had the automatic win that he just wanted to play it out .
8. you shook your head upset and said I am not going to play you now or ever.
9. He played the next day against the last placed opponent who had a bye, after he asked permission from the TO and Opponent no less!
10, you came home and blew it up , you never stopped complaining about it there also , all you did was talk, talk , talk about it with your buddies loud enough for everyone to hear. You were the exact opposite of a gentleman in that circumstance.
11. The internet detonated. they wanted blood they wanted a name, they wanted to destroy this individual.
12. i found it curious the beaky guys did not give up his name(maybe they did eventually) , that shows a tremendous amount of integrity from Steve and Matt as they really barely new this guy.
13. the internet furor was so over the top, so insane...the player never played 40K again (even without his name being revealed ). A dedicated player with a fully painted army that he loved who had played for years and was a respected member of the community .

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Out of the above, you are wrong on:
1,3,4,6,8,10, And possibly 12 and 13.

 Anglacon wrote:

 mk2 wrote:




Hey bud I was at the table behind you when it happened . The following are facts that are not in dispute and if you don't agree I can drag up every witness there and see where we stand .

1. He had a die that was loaded to roll 6 (not all the time but most of the time, the first few rolls from Matt had a 2 come up as I recall ) , you yourself said you recognized it from a convention you went to. it was black with silver pips.
2. He said he did not realize that die was loaded. he actually used casino die that were even bigger so this die did not stand out (to him).
3. You went to the TO and told them what was going on.
4. The TO RULED IN YOUR FAVOR and disqualified him from the game and gave you the win. (beaky always did the right thing and they were harmed by the internet lynch mob that you yourself started but we can leave that for another post )
5. The player was mortified, literally in tears. He apologized to you on the spot (you can not deny this I was there!) explained that he and gone to our local store and grabbed the die because it looked cool from a grab box along with other ones , he did not realize it was loaded.
6. You refused to listen to him
7. he said if you could just get the game in, that he would show you this is not what he was about and you had the automatic win that he just wanted to play it out .
8. you shook your head upset and said I am not going to play you now or ever.
9. He played the next day against the last placed opponent who had a bye, after he asked permission from the TO and Opponent no less!
10, you came home and blew it up , you never stopped complaining about it there also , all you did was talk, talk , talk about it with your buddies loud enough for everyone to hear. You were the exact opposite of a gentleman in that circumstance.
11. The internet detonated. they wanted blood they wanted a name, they wanted to destroy this individual.
12. i found it curious the beaky guys did not give up his name(maybe they did eventually) , that shows a tremendous amount of integrity from Steve and Matt as they really barely new this guy.
13. the internet furor was so over the top, so insane...the player never played 40K again (even without his name being revealed ). A dedicated player with a fully painted army that he loved who had played for years and was a respected member of the community .

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Out of the above, you are wrong on:
1,3,4,6,8,10, And possibly 12 and 13.

I am talking about Beaky con 2 you obviously think we are talking about Feast of blades. As I am right on 13 out of 13.

 mk2 wrote:
I am talking about Beaky con 2 you obviously think we are talking about Feast of blades.

This is probably a great indication that you are off topic for the thread. Maybe start a new one?

 pretre wrote:

 mk2 wrote:
I am talking about Beaky con 2 you obviously think we are talking about Feast of blades.

This is probably a great indication that you are off topic for the thread. Maybe start a new one?

I agree ...but no new threads, its over and done at this point.

Tasty Taste you will post up one side of the story... That is how you operate.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
Lists would be interesting; we had a lot of negative feedback ourselves about things like the Transcendent C'tan in the Narrative and Trios, though it did not win said events.

Not understanding this statement? Adepticon isn't allowing the C'tan because it's unbeatable. How was it beaten?

Mike I played in the narrative and did very well for my team. However what did happen to both me and the Ctan was the special rules and other tweaks were put out to even out our win records
Basically this means it was not a good measure of the dominance of the C'Tan. In our local events it seems it has really dominated and tipped the scale but I also think people are not fully playing 7th edition lists and once everyone gets all the gibbens on board things will balance out. Either way I will be at NOVA next year just to show people how bad I am with Tyranids

I would like to see lists for this event as well but at 1500 points it does not translate well to other events as most are 1850 or 2K.

 punchdub wrote:
So, I wanted to find about how things went at this year's Feast of Blades invitational. The Internet is strangely silent. Anyone?

OP here. Evidently I was not specific enough in my original request for information, so let me narrow the scope of my inquiry in an attempt to keep the discussion on point; my point. Is there a list of rankings for the event and are the top 10 lists available? Evidently, the other "things" have now been discussed in detail and we're still no closer to understanding how the other 30+ players did.

DeviousDonut wrote:
I was the Tyranid player at the invitational. The only tyranid player, I was running a single CAD with:
2 Flyrants + Devourers + ES Grubs (Duh)
Malanthrope
Tervigon
30 Gaunts
20 Gargoyles
Dimachaeron
2 Carnifexes + Devourers

Over all I went 6-1. I lost my very first game on Friday. And I blame that on having a very good opponent with 6 vendetta valkerye elysian drop troops that I was in no way prepared for, and the fact that I looked at the mission packet wrong. I didn't realize the Objectives were cumulative until turn 5. I argued with my opponent over the end game score but in the end decided it was my own fault for not reading the mission properly and gave him the win. My next games involved facing White Scar Grav Bikers with khan, Ork nob bikers supported by lots of artillery, DE, Triptide tau with farsight and a knight, A knight Castigator with imp guard and pask including 2 wyverns and a hydra on a skyshield. Then finally for the top of bracket 2 I ended up facing my original opponent again. 6 Valkyrie vendetta elysian troops all with melta bombs. This time around I was very careful with the mission and knew to give him first turn since he started entirely in reserve. I came away with the win and took the top of bracket 2.

Meesa likes very much !
Care to explain how you use the army, its seems so full of synergy

I'd be happy to. The flyrants obviously fly forward and do their thing if I get first turn. Go for the obvious first blood rhino transport or some equivalent. Then just harass and get rear armor basically the rest of the game. The rest of the army moves slowly forward in a giant deathstar. The Dima Malanthrope Tervigon and 2 carnifexes all move pretty close to each other and the tervigon spawn goes in front to ensure everyone has a 3+ cover save. I bubble wrap them with the termagaunts who daisy chain across the whole board to any objectives I want. I then use the gargoyles as either a second daisy chaining screen or a tarpit depending on what i'm playing. The screens prevent my star from being assaulted and gives everyone 3+cover or 2+ if im in ruins. Then when i'm across the board the screens leave to tie down threats or grab objectives while the malanthrope dima and 2 carni's wreak havoc, the tervigon normally sits at midfield providing a little synapse and support.