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-Loki- wrote: The very first trailer, it shows the Hulkbuster suit wrapping itself around another Iron Man suit
It shows a suit being wrapped up in it, not Tony Stark. He could be in the suit as well, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is in control.
People keep coming back to this and I just don't think it's the case. The "you can't see Tony in the Iron Man armor" case ignores the fact that there is also a scene in the trailer where Black Widow is seen trying to calm the Hulk down (she reaches out her hand to him and he does the same). Given Hulks propensity to become a boundless rage-monster, it makes more sense for that to happen (for a couple of reasons that I pointed out much earlier in this thread) and Tony to lead the rest of the team to stop the Hulk instead of a cheap fake-out using a Ultron-controlled Iron Man suit inside another Iron Man suit (especially if H.B.M.C.'s theory is correct).
I get that these are comic book movies, but a what looks like a major fight in the movie between two prominent characters boiling down to a supervillian-controlled superhero suit picking a fight with another superhero is just a little too comic bookish. Of course like I said earlier, we could all be wrong too.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I get that these are comic book movies...is just a little too comic bookish.
This whole line of thinking makes no sense.
That's either sarcasm or you're never actually read a comicbook.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
So... Spider-Man in Infinity War 1. That's the report today. The report has spoilers for other characters, so I'm avoiding it, but yeah, that's today's word.
So long as we still get Spidey 3, Sinister 6, Venom and possibly Black Cat movies from either Disney or Sony, and the current and awesome Spidey series isn't scrapped/retconned/whatever.
It is neither because claiming something to be a comic book but to much of a comic book is a bit silly. Some comics are serious others are goofy; some comic storylines are good and others are bad; leaping to the big screen doesn't change much as far as the nature of the stories go. You would be better off arguing that you are worried that it will be bad storytelling than saying a comic will be a comic.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Really? You want to continue Sony's train-wreck movies?
Yep. Loved the first, second was even better, they're easily as good as anything Marvel have done. Which is why merging the two would be just about perfect.
It is neither because claiming something to be a comic book but to much of a comic book is a bit silly. Some comics are serious others are goofy; some comic storylines are good and others are bad; leaping to the big screen doesn't change much as far as the nature of the stories go. You would be better off arguing that you are worried that it will be bad storytelling than saying a comic will be a comic.
It is entirely possible to adapt a story from a comic book into a movie without using all the stupid and ridiculous gak that is often in comic books. The MCU movies have done this already: take the good, leave the garbage. I expect them to do it with Civil War too, because most of that storyline was utter gak.
To me, a mind-controlled Iron Man inside another Iron Man fighting another the Hulk is weak. It would be meaningless in terms of story:
"Oh sorry, Bruce... That was Ultron fighting you with me inside an Iron Man inside of another Iron Man."
"No biggie, Tony, it's all good. Do you want to go get shawarma?"
Let's not forget that they already tried it in the first Avengers with Loki mind-controlling Hawkeye... and it was the weakest part of the movie.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: It is entirely possible to adapt a story from a comic book into a movie without using all the stupid and ridiculous gak that is often in comic books
Because non-comic book movies have never been ridiculous either? It is a guy in what is basically a magic suit, a re-appropriated god, a super human, Jekyl and Hyde man, a super spy, and improbable sharpshooter in the same movie but now you are worried it might be a bit ridiculous and over-the-top if there is mind control and/or wi-fi control of computer systems?
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: It is entirely possible to adapt a story from a comic book into a movie without using all the stupid and ridiculous gak that is often in comic books
Because non-comic book movies have never been ridiculous either? It is a guy in what is basically a magic suit, a re-appropriated god, a super human, Jekyl and Hyde man, a super spy, and improbable sharpshooter in the same movie but now you are worried it might be a bit ridiculous and over-the-top if there is mind control and/or wi-fi control of computer systems?
Straw man much?
I never said there was no ridiculousness in comic book movies. What I said, and was pretty clear about, is that there is a level of ridiculousness in actual comic books that would be out of place if it made the translation to movies. In my opinion (which I have also made clear), Tony stuck in an Iron Man suit inside of another Iron Man suit fighting it out with the Hulk in a pointless fight with would be a let down: with no tension between the characters and no implications to the team, it would just be a showy fight for giddy fanboys. If it happens the way you seem to think it will... okay? I'll watch it, enjoy it for what it is, and in the end I'll say, "That was cool, but it could have been better," and then move on.
But please continue to make it sound like I want the next Avengers movie to be ultra grounded and realistic with no fantastical elements at all.
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Sony has denied Spidey's presence in Infinity War, in case anyone was wondering about that latest report.
Paradigm wrote: Yep. Loved the first, second was even better, they're easily as good as anything Marvel have done. Which is why merging the two would be just about perfect.
I mean I liked the first one, but yikes, that second one was not good. And as good as anything Marvel has done? You remind me of a friend who said Avengers was about as good as Battleship.
Edit: Needless to say I think Scooty and I are talking passed eachother when we are both just discussing possibilities and still seemingly getting steamed about it when neither of us are absolutely sold on an idea of the plot. Therefor it is easier to just:
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Sony has denied Spidey's presence in Infinity War, in case anyone was wondering about that latest report.
Paradigm wrote: Yep. Loved the first, second was even better, they're easily as good as anything Marvel have done. Which is why merging the two would be just about perfect.
I mean I liked the first one, but yikes, that second one was not good. And as good as anything Marvel has done? You remind me of a friend who said Avengers was about as good as Battleship.
No accounting for taste, as they say.
Purely out of interest, what were your issues with the second one? I thought the acting was great all round, Electro was almost Loki-levels of good as a villain, the ending was brilliant (I was really hoping they would stick with the actual death rather than a cop-out, and so glad when they did), and I think it could happily sit alongside any Marvel film and feed into the MCU without an issue.
To be honest, the only Spider-Man I enjoyed was the first outing with Tobey Maguire and Willem Dafoe. Had all the right stuff in it. Dafoe's Goblin/Norman Osborne is a really tough performance to beat IMO.
What would be cool is if they put Spidey into the Avenger-verse and gave him the Iron Spider suit-courtesy of Tony Stark!
Need I say more?
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Sony has denied Spidey's presence in Infinity War, in case anyone was wondering about that latest report.
Paradigm wrote: Yep. Loved the first, second was even better, they're easily as good as anything Marvel have done. Which is why merging the two would be just about perfect.
I mean I liked the first one, but yikes, that second one was not good. And as good as anything Marvel has done? You remind me of a friend who said Avengers was about as good as Battleship.
No accounting for taste, as they say.
Might not be a stretch to say it'd fit comfortably alongside the average MCU film, though. After you get past Avengers, Iron Man, Guardians, and Cap 2, it's a whole lot of 'meh' IMO.
angelofvengeance wrote: To be honest, the only Spider-Man I enjoyed was the first outing with Tobey Maguire and Willem Dafoe. Had all the right stuff in it. Dafoe's Goblin/Norman Osborne is a really tough performance to beat IMO.
What would be cool is if they put Spidey into the Avenger-verse and gave him the Iron Spider suit-courtesy of Tony Stark!
Need I say more?
It will continue to bother me that the Iron Spider suit only has three extra limbs...
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I figured as much... Probably the best we could have hoped for given they can't use the Mutant origin.
On a side note, this month's Empire magazine has a big feature n AoU, some very minor spoilers but also some interesting hints on what we'll see. Apparently, the film opens with a 'Bond-ian' pre-credits sequence with The Avengers
Spoiler:
attacking Strucker's fortress in Europe, in which Banner has a 'Code Green'... I expect awesomeness!
Marvel as it stands cannot say, use or reference Mutants so long as Fox have the X-men licence (which thankfully, they seem to have covered for quite a while). It's why at the end of TWS, Strucker refers to them as 'Miracles'.
Banner is not a mutant in the evolutionary sense, he gains his powers through exposure to Gamma radiation. While this may cause his cells to 'mutate', he's not a Mutant in Marvel terms.
Yeah!
Legion: Dark Angels 
