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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I remember when Mantic was building up all kinds of suspense for their "eighth race" only to unveil the Veermyn. I think I'm still surfing that wave of disappointment.


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Lol, I sure do rebember this. I was pretty interested by Mantic at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much turned me into a lifelong mantic hater. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming mantic is not a cheap, GW knock off (even if the space orks, space elves and space dwarves should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten. Space skaven is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

 scarletsquig wrote:
This message was edited 3 times.,

Now I want to know what the first two posts said

Got a reply to my missing items form today from a chap named Dave Symonds, saying the replacements were mailed yesterday.

This is certainly a much better turnaround time than I'm used to.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Lol, I sure do rebember this. I was pretty interested by Mantic at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much turned me into a lifelong mantic hater. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming mantic is not a cheap, GW knock off (even if the space orks, space elves and space dwarves should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten. Space skaven is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

Lol, I sure do rebember when GW released Necrons. I was playing 40k at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much made me realize GW is a bunch of retards. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming GW is not a cheap, Terminator / Judge Dredd / Lord of the Rings / Foundation / Aliens / Book of the New Sun / Rogue Trooper / Dune / Starship Troopers / etc knock off (even if the skeleton robots / death worlds / imperium of man / adeptus mechanicus / powered armor / giger bugs / emperor / navigators / warp space should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten every edition and codex. Necrons Tyranids Imperium Orks Eldar Space Marines is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

Haters gonna hate, and then everyone's gonna argue.

Thanks for that tidbit, SS, I'm curious to see where they come from now.

On an objective / intellectual level (though still very much my personal opinion, not a comment on others'), I can only agree that the idea of Space ratmen is irrevocably dumb. Regardless of how Mantic rewrites their background. I mean, they're anthropomorphic rats. In space. What are you going to do with that?

On an aesthetic level, I like Remy's Veer-myn sculpts better than any of GW's Skaven sculpts. In that way, they follow in the proud tradition of the Forge Fathers and Enforcers, improving on the designs of their GW predecessors. With the possible exception of the original classics by Jes Goodwin. Goodwin's sculpts aren't exactly better than Remy's from a technical standpoint, but his work had a ton of character and inventiveness driving it. Maybe you can fish some crude ratmen forerunners from the original Monster Manual wererats (who had a "rich history" of what, one paragraph of stats, maybe?) or some forgotten Fritz Leiber story somewhere, but honestly, no one had ever done ratmen quite like that before. Credit where it is due.

On a nostalgic / emotional level that goes right back to my childhood embrace of all things Skaven, I can't help loving the Veer-myn.

So I'll never debate how fundamentally ridiculous the Veer-myn are, or the obvious debt they owe to GW's Skaven in particular, or even that I'd really rather have a Mantic universe unsullied by Fantasy tropes altogether. But that last one's not really in the cards, is it? So if we're going to have a universe with Space Orks and Space Elves, neither of which are old favorite fantasy races of mine, then dammit, I want my space Ratmen. Hell, if we're going sci-fantasy with this universe, I want my Space Lizardmen.

I will continue to buy Mantic's Veer-myn shamelessly and with relish.

This thread is for NEWS and RUMORS regarding Mantic's various SF themed offerings.

Please take everything else to the Mantic Games sub-forum:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/81.page

thanks!

Scarlet squid, can you at least tell us if they have an extraterrestrial origin? I can buy aliens who look like rats...
Also, what else have Mantic got in store for us? Let's have more rumors.

 judgedoug wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Lol, I sure do rebember this. I was pretty interested by Mantic at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much turned me into a lifelong mantic hater. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming mantic is not a cheap, GW knock off (even if the space orks, space elves and space dwarves should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten. Space skaven is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

Lol, I sure do rebember when GW released Necrons. I was playing 40k at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much made me realize GW is a bunch of retards. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming GW is not a cheap, Terminator / Judge Dredd / Lord of the Rings / Foundation / Aliens / Book of the New Sun / Rogue Trooper / Dune / Starship Troopers / etc knock off (even if the skeleton robots / death worlds / imperium of man / adeptus mechanicus / powered armor / giger bugs / emperor / navigators / warp space should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten every edition and codex. Necrons Tyranids Imperium Orks Eldar Space Marines is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

Stealing from one source is plagiarism. Stealing from many sources is research.

Besides, there's plenty of room in tabletop wargaming for everyone to have dumb fluff.

I too want more of these space rat rumors.

I'm really looking forward to see what's cooking for the new Deadzone stuff. Curious how many options there will be on the sprues.

Still no news on DZ2. Surprising, considering it was supposed to be a Q1 KS.

I need to know whether it's going to happen anytime soon, or I may blow my cash on Conan instead...

I'm on my phone and no idea how to link and anywho the rugby is about to start. Just read the newsletter and it was mentioned that Mars Attacks is turning into a full scale battle game!

That's the World War rules. Backers got this as a pdf the printed version got delayed along with the hard back compendium.

The newsletter wasn't much of a reveal really no secret project (it appears there is none) just a refocus on their current ranges with dedicated websites for each game and more hobby content.

Which is good news. Focus on current games is good.

 pretre wrote:
Which is good news. Focus on current games is good.

Agreed.

They have what, DBX to finish and 2 other Kickstarters funded that haven't even begun delivering, Deadzone 2 coming soon and then someday Warpath. No need to jam something else in there.

Although they did say they 'aren't done with the surprises just yet', so there could well be something else coming...

Gah. They jacked the name of my dakka P&M blog =/



Sounds good, main games getting websites. Hopefully it's worth their effort and things turn out well.

The hobby content has me pretty excited. It reminds me of all the good stuff GW used to have on their website, and the BFG website, and so on. Mantic really looks well poised to be a contender.

I've been banging on at Ronnie for close to a year about dedicated websites with getting started guides, hobby tutorials, battle reports etc. Looks like the penny dropped when I made a mockup KoW site a few weeks back for him...

Why you no post pictures Dakka?



A few of these may make their way into my Clan Skyre engineering corp...

Oh dear, another awesome concept drawing that'll get sculpted into poo...

The concept looks great. Expect it to be a bit more slender and tiny, and you will probably not get disapointed...
(at least this is what i learned with Forge Fathers)

The sculpt *could* turn out good- what if it's done digitally? No real organic parts to speak of.

I'm hopeful there'll be a few greens/ renders on display by the time DZ part 2 roles out.

Well that's an awesome bit of concept art, think there is a tremendous amount of potential there..

The Forge Fathers turned out so well - too much to hope we could have a reasonable facsimile when the miniature for this one appears?

That was a lot of hype about nothing....

I like the Ratman thing, hopefully it translates well.

 Alex C wrote:
Still no news on DZ2. Surprising, considering it was supposed to be a Q1 KS.

I need to know whether it's going to happen anytime soon, or I may blow my cash on Conan instead...

Was originally planned as a Q4 2014 KS!

Slowing down a bit is good, still have DBX, DS and KoW to finish up. Hopefully might just get DZ 2.0 and Warpath as the major Kickstarters this year.

Can't really do DZ2 while Jake is AWOL.

I had a read/watch of mantics hobby time and plans for this year and, I've got to say, it seems a good idea. Previous years have been about giving people stuff, this year seems more focussed on getting people using their stuff.

Which is good for me. Still the only thing I've completely painted up from Mantic is my plague strike team. I've mostly been in assembly mode since Original Dreadball. On that subject, I really should finish painting my veermyn team but I chose the ugliest colour scheme ever for them - pinkish purple.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can't really do DZ2 while Jake is AWOL.

Hopefully they can move on without him. I think it's bad policy to rely on one person for rules. Having different angles looking at rules could be beneficial and whilst JT writes good rules DZ has a few flaws and there is large balance issues in some of the factions in DZ and DB that he does not want to address.

Not sure why you say Jake is AWOL he is working away on Dungeon Saga per update #64 on the 20th of January. They need to get the Beta rules finished ASAP so he's probably fully focused on that. I wouldn't read to much into Quirkworthy not being updated for a while. (the DS playtest day is actually going on today at Mantic)

I think the core of the DZ rules are damn good. The only problem is the continual addition of new rules which cause exceptions/clashes to previous rules. DZ needs 2 things this year imo.
1. Release all the figures for existing cards/stats BEFORE starting on any new factions.
2. Tidy up and re-write the rules so there's less rules clashes and russian doll rule situations.
Neither of these need a KS imo.