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Fffffffffff. Damnit. My group has pretty much moved on from 40k, but these kits are super smexy for my Nids.

Then again, I haven't assembled anything GW related in months, so I'll definitely be waiting. Still, makes me excited for my Nids at least.

Did Pyrovore unit size go up, or is it still 1-3? These pods might be a viable way t-pfffft hahahaha, no sorry, pyrovores are still awful. Which is a shame.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Also, just curious, it's an MC and has five weapons, but doesn't seem to have anything allowing it to fire all five weapons...

'Instinctive Fire' lets it shoot each one at the nearest target.

 Grimtuff wrote:


The point that no-one is addressing. This was a unit that never should have left the codex in the first place. This discussion about "Nids being viable again" should not be happening. GW removed the unit to spite Chapterhouse and other 3rd party producers, then have now released it as DLC because that's what they do now. Are they trying to emulate PP's release model? Who knows?

They didn't remove it to "spite" them. They removed it to protect their IP from exploitation as best as they could. Any business would have done the same.

 brassangel wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Sasori wrote:


I feel like they are starting to listen to their customer, or at the very least seem to be making some better decisions.

That would imply they to actually do market research...

I'm more of the opinion of "Throw enough gak and eventually some of it will stick."

They spend a ton on market research, and have investors threatening them if they do otherwise.

Considering the CEO said the exact opposite in the last investor report... no, no they don't.

ON TOPIC:

It could be a Zoanthrope dual kit, or simply a hint at whatever is in the campaign box.

Also, wasn't the Doom a unique breed of the Hive Mind, basically used as a test platform (which subsequently wiped out a Craftworld)? When that happens, doesn't the Hive Mind usually suck up the biomass, record the data, and then decide to make something new? I thought that's basically what the Maleceptor was designed to be - though he's a bit difficult to utilize properly. (I've play tested him a few times, but still have a ways to go.)

Doom was a "unique adaptation to the Zoanthrope". And the Maleceptor is a false pretender to the throne - it's really not a good unit at all.


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Mymearan wrote:
They didn't remove it to "spite" them. They removed it to protect their IP from exploitation as best as they could. Any business would have done the same.

Most businesses would know their IP rights and have set things up correctly from the start.
GW didn't. But that's for another thread.

Mymearan wrote:

Spoiler:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
Is it safe to say that this is the best business decision GW has in a long time?

No.

I'm not following why everyone is going so gaga over this, when it is a unit that by all rights should have never been removed from the codex in the first place. It's simply more DLC from GW as they've finally realised pettiness is not better than making money.

Yes, it is a beautiful kit; but a lot of people in this thread seem to have very short memories.

Did you just pay to download those rules? I know I didn't. The rules will probably be in the box anyway.

People are going gaga because (aside from instinctive behaviour) the biggest issue with the current Tyranid codex is a lack of reliable army-wide deployment options. Aside from the handful of mostly mediocre deep-striking units like Raveners, Rippers and Trygons, all we had was Hive Commander for Troops only and a ~30% chance to roll Master of Ambush. The latter of course being something you could never write an list around.

This one unit is a huge leap towards making many of the marginalised choices in the codex viable.

And, to use the pic Az just used about a certain turn of phrase...

The point that no-one is addressing. This was a unit that never should have left the codex in the first place. This discussion about "Nids being viable again" should not be happening. GW removed the unit to spite Chapterhouse and other 3rd party producers, then have now released it as DLC because that's what they do now. Are they trying to emulate PP's release model? Who knows?


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 SHUPPET wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
Is it safe to say that this is the best business decision GW has in a long time?

No.

I'm not following why everyone is going so gaga over this, when it is a unit that by all rights should have never been removed from the codex in the first place. It's simply more DLC from GW as they've finally realised pettiness is not better than making money.

Yes, it is a beautiful kit; but a lot of people in this thread seem to have very short memories.

Yeah, this still doesn't make it a great business decision however. While removing them was a terrible one, it's been a long time since then, so the question I was asking was since their removal, is this one of the best decisions they've made so far? The answer is a resounding yes afaict

In that respect it is, but it never should have been removed in the first place.

They didn't remove it to "spite" them. They removed it to protect their IP from exploitation as best as they could. Any business would have done the same.

Or...and I'm spit-balling here...they could have just left the unit alone, since all they were effectively doing was punishing the customer base for third-party companies filling the gaps that GW, themselves, created. They could have always redirected assets to create these models if they were so terrified of losing sales for spore pods, and focused on those rather than, say, shoving 40k 6-PLUS edition out the door in two years.

Just sayin.

EDIT: don't get me wrong, I'm glad they produced this kit. But the way they handled this whole issue was absolutely absurd.

Please, let's not have this thread devolve into the Chapterhouse Debate, or Anti/White knight GW thread.

There is plenty of good stuff to discuss with this release! It's much better than last week, for sure.

My god. Those models are amazing. I am kind of speechless right now that we are getting so much Tyranid love.

 Sasori wrote:
Please, let's not have this thread devolve into the Chapterhouse Debate, or Anti/White knight GW thread.

There is plenty of good stuff to discuss with this release! It's much better than last week, for sure.

Hear, hear! There's a 200+ page thread in dakka discussions covering that topic quite well. No need to rehash here.

Quite irritating that the Sporocyst's statline is obscured by glare. And Tyranids now have a 15pt 3 wound shrouded troop choice.

I imagine we'll get plastic Zoanthropes and Venomthropes.

How do I know?

Well I just finished assembling and painting 2 resin Zoanthropes and 3 resin Venomthropes... so we must be due for a plastic kit now

This is night and day compared to the last round of Tyranid releases if you ask me. I like these a lot.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Please, let's not have this thread devolve into the Chapterhouse Debate, or Anti/White knight GW thread.

There is plenty of good stuff to discuss with this release! It's much better than last week, for sure.

Hear, hear! There's a 200+ page thread in dakka discussions covering that topic quite well. No need to rehash here.

Quite irritating that the Sporocyst's statline is obscured by glare. And Tyranids now have a 15pt 3 wound shrouded troop choice.

This will result in a wave of new, and annoying "lol, what gribblets" nid lists.
What is the swarm without a swarm? just a bunch of MCs running around.


Anyway, I love the sporocyst, I assume it's packing a 4+ save like the pod thingy, and spitting bombs is just too amusing.

Updated a couple mongers for old rumors with spores.

I like that the Tyrannocyte thing just floats around picking things up to eat after deploying its cargo.

Brother SRM wrote:This is night and day compared to the last round of Tyranid releases if you ask me. I like these a lot.

Heck, I liked the last one. The Toxicrene has been murdering people in games I've played (got one early...don't ask), and now I've got a way to sneak one forward? Yes, please!

The Maleceptor has been finnicky. As a backfield Synapse monster that can fight and generate a bunch of powers, he's okay. He also doesn't blow up gaunts when he dies like the Tervigon does. So more punch, more psychic powers, no death-to-troops, but also doesn't make free troops. Being in Elites is nice, because our Heavy Support is crowded. Overall, he's a meh...

This release is just a bowl of cherries. Or maybe a bag of cherry Twizzler's Nibs, because they smell amazing...

Hooray for Tyranid players. So many shiny new kits!

Can I have plastic Kasrkin now, GW? Please?

I guess you can't trademark "Mycetic Spore".

I will repeat that I am still pretty excited for these releases, regardless of previous treatment of Nids. Hopefully this will herald an increase in the popularity of the bugs, as they are a spectacular army to face up against (appearance-wise).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess you can't trademark "Mycetic Spore".

Indeed not! GW is at least giving us an idea of what sorts of terms a company can claim ownership of

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess you can't trademark "Mycetic Spore".

I suppose it's also less confusing this way. Spore Mines and Mieotic Spores already exist (both being living bombs). -Cyte denotes a mature cell structure, or sac; Tyranno- obviously for the location first observed mabye?

Mucolid is pretty nice.

They come from troops slots

3 for 45 points, deep strike shrouded, fearless T3 and W3 each, so not trivial to kill off, if they assault next turn they do a str 10 ap 3 large blast that ignores cover saves and can hit flyers/Swooping monstrous creatures.



personally I am sold, hope they have a separate kit of 3.

So nice, makes me wanna start a Tyranid army

blaktoof wrote:
Mucolid is pretty nice.

They come from troops slots

3 for 45 points, deep strike shrouded, fearless T3 and W3 each, so not trivial to kill off, if they assault next turn they do a str 10 ap 3 large blast that ignores cover saves and can hit flyers/Swooping monstrous creatures.



personally I am sold, hope they have a separate kit of 3.

a Tau plasma rifle will ID it though if its T3 needs to be at least T4 for me but you can't argue about the points cost

yes, yes, it's a neat new kit. Seems to be very useful...everyone will want at least 3...but how much cash will we have to plunk down for this troop transport?

edit: ok, seems someone posted a rumor suggesting approx. $60 for the kit... ooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwch...

Mymearan wrote:
Wait a minute... the Tyrannocyte itself is an MC. The Tyrannocyte can transport 1 MC. Do you know what this means?

We put this Tyrannocyte in your Tyrannocyte so you can Tyrannocyte.

We put this Tyrannocyte in your Tyrannocyte so you can Tyrannocyte your Tyrannocyte.

Those bunker things are immobile and have infiltrate, how wide are the bases, because if they are 5 inches...Just buy 5 and make a line across the board that nothing can cross. Go first dump a bunch of spore mines in your opponents deployment zone.


You can literally box your opponent in.

blaktoof wrote:
Mucolid is pretty nice.

They come from troops slots

3 for 45 points, deep strike shrouded, fearless T3 and W3 each, so not trivial to kill off, if they assault next turn they do a str 10 ap 3 large blast that ignores cover saves and can hit flyers/Swooping monstrous creatures.



personally I am sold, hope they have a separate kit of 3.

Seriously doubt it. I'm wondering whether they will be a similar size as the meiotic spore sacks from FW.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tyranids/MIEOTIC-SPORE-SACKS.html

If they're big enough that could be used as a proxy.

 Murenius wrote:
So nice, makes me wanna start a Tyranid army

:O you should have started one ages ago

So is the Sporocyst a heavy slot that isn't taken up by it or what?

Or is it just the drop pod that doesn't take up a slot.

Only one that seems to be listed as not taking a slot is the Transport Bug.

 Unix wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
Mucolid is pretty nice.

They come from troops slots

3 for 45 points, deep strike shrouded, fearless T3 and W3 each, so not trivial to kill off, if they assault next turn they do a str 10 ap 3 large blast that ignores cover saves and can hit flyers/Swooping monstrous creatures.



personally I am sold, hope they have a separate kit of 3.

Seriously doubt it. I'm wondering whether they will be a similar size as the meiotic spore sacks from FW.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tyranids/MIEOTIC-SPORE-SACKS.html

If they're big enough that could be used as a proxy.

Unlikely. The Mucolids are taller than a Hive Tyrant. The Meiotic Spores are twice the height of a Guardsman.

Oh that's not that disappointing then, I wonder if the Sporocyst is a 1-3 choice.

Other wise you'd need Double Cad to just take 6 of them.

Make a 42 inch long line in the middle of the field with them, now nothing that isn't a Flier or a Skimmer can pass through. You're troops can though.

You just have to make sure to space them 1.75 inches apart so that enemy models can't move through them.