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 Absolutionis wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 winterwind85 wrote:
As a Big Fat Bug its difficult to Hit small guardies.. Ever tried to catch a mosquito?!? Your personal ws against mosquitos is 0...

Terrible comparison. Mosquitos have reactions far beyond that of a human. Nothing about the big Tyranids implies they've got slow reactions, at least to that degree.

Larger creatures move and react proportionally slower. That's a biological fact. Weight scales cubically with volume whereas strength scales quadratically with surface area. Additionally, the small distance between a creature's sensory organs, brain, and muscles means that smaller creatures have quicker reactions. I'm not sure how Hive-Mind Space-Magic fits into all this.

Simply put, larger Tyranids would have slower reactions similar to how humans would have trouble catching a squirrel.



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this is meaningless in a game where we have flying creatures the size of jetfighters zipping around making 90 degree turns on a dime. forget everything you know about biology and physics.

I'd like to hope against hope that GW is going to stop updating the codicies after they finish providing a hardback to the remaining 2 armies, and then spend the next 2 and a half years providing expansionary releases to update models and provide them to units that still have no models.

I'd also like to see Sisters of Battle come back, and see the CSM codex be updated again as an apology, but I like to keep my hopes realistic.

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 winterwind85 wrote:
As a Big Fat Bug its difficult to Hit small guardies.. Ever tried to catch a mosquito?!? Your personal ws against mosquitos is 0...

Terrible comparison. Mosquitos have reactions far beyond that of a human. Nothing about the big Tyranids implies they've got slow reactions, at least to that degree.

Larger creatures move and react proportionally slower. That's a biological fact. Weight scales cubically with volume whereas strength scales quadratically with surface area. Additionally, the small distance between a creature's sensory organs, brain, and muscles means that smaller creatures have quicker reactions. I'm not sure how Hive-Mind Space-Magic fits into all this.

Simply put, larger Tyranids would have slower reactions similar to how humans would have trouble catching a squirrel.

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I'd factor in Tyranid space magic at least a fair bit. In the same way humans have engineered assassins up to WS8 and I7, and Space Marines up to WS 6/7 and I5/6, I imagine the tyranids would put some effort into engineering their creatures, when necessary, to a speed capable of catching their prey.

Not every creature should be WS4+ and I4+, especially the non-combat creatures like Zoanthropes, Malanthropes and Tervigons, but anything that it built to get in close should be swift enough to be competent at it.

They do, Trygon, Hive Tyrant and Dimachaeron all have a decent WS and I. It's all the Carnifex sub-types that are your classic WS3/I2

 Absolutionis wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 winterwind85 wrote:
As a Big Fat Bug its difficult to Hit small guardies.. Ever tried to catch a mosquito?!? Your personal ws against mosquitos is 0...

Terrible comparison. Mosquitos have reactions far beyond that of a human. Nothing about the big Tyranids implies they've got slow reactions, at least to that degree.

Larger creatures move and react proportionally slower. That's a biological fact. Weight scales cubically with volume whereas strength scales quadratically with surface area. Additionally, the small distance between a creature's sensory organs, brain, and muscles means that smaller creatures have quicker reactions. I'm not sure how Hive-Mind Space-Magic fits into all this.

Simply put, larger Tyranids would have slower reactions similar to how humans would have trouble catching a squirrel.

Wraithknights hit grots on a 3+ while Carnifex hit guardsmen on a 4+.

There is no logical justification. It's just game mechanics.

Quick change of subject: I didn't see anything on the previous pages to explain why the rules for a couple of these new Tyranids units were released separately as free pdfs. Not that I'm complaining, of course, I'm just curious if there's a special reason for it or if we're going to see this happen to more armies as models get made. (It also seems kinda weird that the rules are sequestered over on the BL site with apparently no connection to the main GW site where you would buy the models).

that's where all the pdf's are now, including the FAQ's.

 Xca|iber wrote:
(It also seems kinda weird that the rules are sequestered over on the BL site with apparently no connection to the main GW site where you would buy the models).

Well of course not. That'd be logical.

But they are on the GW site as well, under their respective model pages.

didn't realize that. nice.

 Xca|iber wrote:
Quick change of subject: I didn't see anything on the previous pages to explain why the rules for a couple of these new Tyranids units were released separately as free pdfs. Not that I'm complaining, of course, I'm just curious if there's a special reason for it or if we're going to see this happen to more armies as models get made. (It also seems kinda weird that the rules are sequestered over on the BL site with apparently no connection to the main GW site where you would buy the models).

The rules went up once that White Dwarf was no longer current. It makes me wonder if they'll stay there until the campaign book is out, or until the next Tyranid codex.

PROBABLY until the campaign book.

If they have a shard of intelligence, until the next codex. given that the campaign is limited and all.

 Quarterdime wrote:
I'd like to hope against hope that GW is going to stop updating the codicies after they finish providing a hardback to the remaining 2 armies, and then spend the next 2 and a half years providing expansionary releases to update models and provide them to units that still have no models.

I'd also like to see Sisters of Battle come back, and see the CSM codex be updated again as an apology, but I like to keep my hopes realistic.

If they had any sense at all they'd include basic army lists for all the factions in the next core rulebook, then run the release cycle based on faction "sourcebooks" full of fluff, special characters, formations etc and campaign books featuring two or three factions. They'd have far more freedom to release models when they're ready/most needed to boost sales without having to chain everything to Codex releases that screw the everything around, and doing a quick once-over revision/playtest(ahaha) of all the army lists at once would allow them to bring about at least some semblance of balance.

Have we had any earthquakes yet? It feels like we should have a new plastic zoanthrope shakey pic up about now..

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Have we had any earthquakes yet? It feels like we should have a new plastic zoanthrope shakey pic up about now..

I was hoping that you where going to be the one to upload it. Back to waiting :]

Archibald_TK got early access to the next White Dwarf

Don't know what you already know but here we go nonetheless:

- Venomthropes look excessively good (IMO)
- On the cover of the Paint Guide is a Broodlord, I first thought it was the one from SH when glancing at it but realized
it was actually a model I didn't know.
- Rules for Zoans broods in the WD.
- Shield of Baal is AM + Tempestus + SoB vs Nids. Rules inside are for Nids. It's a Nagash type of dual books.
- It is the first part of a campaign, those are the worlds actually protecting the BA ones.
- End of the WD said that in the next one we will be back to ET.

Link: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?401403-Rumours-from-next-white-dwarf&p=7312247&viewfull=1#post7312247





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And Silverstu just posted on Warseer in another thread:

Quote Originally Posted by TheBearminator View Post
I don't want a special character. I want really massive stompa-bug!

Well just a note - Terrorfex over on warpshadow has mentioned "vague sightings of bane blade sized tyrannids". He mentioned it when reporting the 3 in a box Venom/zoan/neurothrope box coming this weekend [I think just before the pics dropped]. Terrorfex is a longtime poster on warpshadow and I think he is matey with the studio so it is possible he is dropping hints as to what he knows rather than what he has read or hopes. Promising

A gargantuan Tyranid creature arriving soon?

Are you sure that isn't a throw back to the toxicrene? As it has quite frequently been compared to a baneblade for its width?

 Wilson wrote:
Are you sure that isn't a throw back to the toxicrene? As it has quite frequently been compared to a baneblade for its width?

Nope- Terrorfex mentioned it recently and was hinting towards something new. That said I'm not entirely sure wether it was a hint, a hope or what he had read somewhere- but I think it was a hint/rumour. His rating on Petre's thread is 2 right 4 false- but the 4 false are prices.. We shall see...

I would be quite interested to see what AM+Tempestus get if anything for the book...

If the campaign books are done in similar quality to the End Times books I'll grab them. I'm not as 100% excited as I am for the End Times but I'm willing to give it a shot.

 silverstu wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Are you sure that isn't a throw back to the toxicrene? As it has quite frequently been compared to a baneblade for its width?

Nope- Terrorfex mentioned it recently and was hinting towards something new. That said I'm not entirely sure wether it was a hint, a hope or what he had read somewhere- but I think it was a hint/rumour. His rating on Petre's thread is 2 right 4 false- but the 4 false are prices.. We shall see...

Oh that's sweet. Can someone quote him please?

 Wilson wrote:
Oh that's sweet. Can someone quote him please?

http://www.warpshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17863&p=209375#p209375

Terrorfex wrote:Next week we shall see a 3 Zoantrophe/Toxotroph Box Set with the Doom of malantai included as the new Neurotrophe. And very vague sightings of a bane blade sized tyranid creatures are spreading...

A Garg creature would be pretty cool.

Not cool for my wallet. But cool none the less!

 Redemption wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Oh that's sweet. Can someone quote him please?

http://www.warpshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17863&p=209375#p209375

Terrorfex wrote:Next week we shall see a 3 Zoantrophe/Toxotroph Box Set with the Doom of malantai included as the new Neurotrophe. And very vague sightings of a bane blade sized tyranid creatures are spreading...

Please be true.

A Dominatrix maybe? More than likely a new critter. Wasn't there a rumor or two floating around about a giant Tyranid?

Well, if he is already calling it very vague, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Could just be reverb from the quote in the WD about the Toxicrene being wider than a Baneblade, as you mentioned.

People with the WD with the Zoanthrope kit in it are mentioning the one after it is going back to the End Times, which would probably mark the end of the 'Nid releases for a while.

I dunno, if there's a part two for this campaign and with Christmas looming, a super heavy nid GMC could be extremely radical.

 Redemption wrote:


People with the WD with the Zoanthrope kit in it are mentioning the one after it is going back to the End Times, which would probably mark the end of the 'Nid releases for a while.

We still seeing BA dex drop before christmas? End Times is normally a few weeks so that'll be the rest of November and mid December before they're done, making BA January at best.

If the next End Times release will only be a few models (Hastings hinted at at least one for elves yesterday) plus the book, a new BA dex could still happen this year

quoting from the BA thread:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Zoanthropes lookin' good.

Yeah, I thought I was in the Tyranids thread for some reason, haha.