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It's a witchfire; witchfires roll to hit as they are psychic shooting attacks.

6 wounds, 3+ invulnerable, bs4, stock with warp lance and spirit leach at 175 pts.
5 wounds, 4+ armour save, bs 3, stock with lame version of spirit leach that is ml2 at 200 pts.

I'm never taking zoanthropes again!

Haha messing! God they do write some trashy rules.

It's literally the same power as Psychic Shriek (which is powerful and used despite people playing it as roll-to-hit) except it also adds Warp Charge dice for Warp Blast. So, it's even better.

Is there a difference i'm not seeing between rolling 3d6 and subtracting leadership

or

Taking a leadership on 3d6 and taking damage equal to the amount you fail

DO IT TO IT wrote:
It's a witchfire; witchfires roll to hit as they are psychic shooting attacks.

Yep, I don't think it is ambiguous.

 Wilson wrote:
6 wounds, 3+ invulnerable, bs4, stock with warp lance and spirit leach at 175 pts.
5 wounds, 4+ armour save, bs 3, stock with lame version of spirit leach that is ml2 at 200 pts.

Forgive my ignorance, but what's this a comparison between?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
6 wounds, 3+ invulnerable, bs4, stock with warp lance and spirit leach at 175 pts.
5 wounds, 4+ armour save, bs 3, stock with lame version of spirit leach that is ml2 at 200 pts.

Forgive my ignorance, but what's this a comparison between?

3 Zoanthropes including a Neurothrope vs a Maleceptor.

I believe the Malaceptor also has a 5+ invulnerable, not that it matters much... Poor Malaceptor. Neat model, poor rules.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I believe the Malaceptor also has a 5+ invulnerable, not that it matters much... Poor Malaceptor. Neat model, poor rules.

Maybe Leviathan will offer him someway to be viable? Probably not, there's too much to fix there I think.

Oh, the Lazyfex. Yes. Ok, I see the comparison now. Man does that thing suck.

Pretty model though, and yes I'll still get one. The Hive Mind owns me.

 pretre wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
It's a witchfire; witchfires roll to hit as they are psychic shooting attacks.

Yep, I don't think it is ambiguous.

Rules state it very clearly, too! pg 27!


I'm so happy for all of these releases. 5 zoans and a neuro in a pod along with 20 devilgants in another pod. Oh joy! Goodbye gunlines!
Does anyone see Interceptor rule ruining much, given how many wounds a pod has?

Easiest way to fix pyrovores, lost the flame spurt and make it able to choose 1 of the 3 throax swarms... DONE

I am loving the new zoees though, and broods of 6 makes me so happy, cant wait!

*chuckes unpainted finecast venomthrope out the window*

GIMME GIMME GIMME!

Shame I have two zoans already, but that box is pretty fantastic all around. Looking forward to making two venoms and a neuro out of it.

I'm thinking a Neuro and two Venoms as well.

I am DIGGING the nuerothrope!! 3D6 leadership tests are sweet! B-)

Any chance that new Broodlord is part of a Broodlord/Lictor/Deathleaper combo kit?

 pretre wrote:
So just pyrovore/biovore left for plastic?

And Lictors/Deathleaper. Red Terror too.

See GW? Now this is a release cycle done right!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So just pyrovore/biovore left for plastic?

And Lictors/Deathleaper. Red Terror too.

Can you make a Red Terror out of a Tyranid Prime head and shoulder blades? I guess it would be hard to explain the Swallow Whole thing with such a tiny mouth, but it would definately look like an upgraded Ravenor.

Nis are running out of units to make in plastic, amusingly. Biovore/Pyrovore is a logical kit. Lictor/Deathleaper is another. Looks to be 2 plastic broodlord options now, both in limited boxes. Red Terror has a resin model, but Ravenors are in plastic so no chance of a kit that includes his options like Warriors with a Prime.

What is left as far as new kits go?
Gargantuan creature, sure. Nids could use a big kit in plastic.
Maybe Ripper swarms like the nurgling kits, that look like actual swarms, like the FW version.
Shrikes could easily become a more distinct unit than just warriors with wings, and they could bring back Parasite of Motrex as a Neuroshrike type squad leader.
Genestealers have an old kit, they could give them an updated plastic kit dualed with ymgarls.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Nis are running out of units to make in plastic, amusingly. Biovore/Pyrovore is a logical kit. Lictor/Deathleaper is another. Looks to be 2 plastic broodlord options now, both in limited boxes. Red Terror has a resin model, but Ravenors are in plastic so no chance of a kit that includes his options like Warriors with a Prime.

What is left as far as new kits go?
Gargantuan creature, sure. Nids could use a big kit in plastic.
Maybe Ripper swarms like the nurgling kits, that look like actual swarms, like the FW version.
Shrikes could easily become a more distinct unit than just warriors with wings, and they could bring back Parasite of Motrex as a Neuroshrike type squad leader.
Genestealers have an old kit, they could give them an updated plastic kit dualed with ymgarls.

They could...but heck I still really like the old gene stealer kit....

 Kr00gZ wrote:

 pretre wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
It's a witchfire; witchfires roll to hit as they are psychic shooting attacks.

Yep, I don't think it is ambiguous.

Rules state it very clearly, too! pg 27!

Better to not open this can of worms. If you venture south to YMDC, you can pretty clearly see that, RAW, rolling to hit for psychic powers doesn't actually do diddly. Technically speaking they still go off.. It's probably not RAI, but it's what's in the book.

I'm not even going to try to push that crap past my local.

The Genestealer kit isn't the oldest current 'Nid kit. I'm pretty sure, despite all the re-boxing and price increases that the Gaunts (both flavours) are the oldest around. They'd surely update them first.

Of course they probably should update the 'Stealer box to put in more heads/arms. Not that I need any more... I've got 150+ 'Stealers and I do not want any more.

But I'd rather they do something that they're certainly not going to do, that being update the Warrior kit to include parts for Lictors/Shrikes.

That brood lord being close but not quite the Space Hulk version DOES fit in with the Ork boss from Stormclaw, as a reworked AoBR boss.
I'm not sure what that save GW, sculpting man hours I guess?

 plastictrees wrote:
That brood lord being close but not quite the Space Hulk version DOES fit in with the Ork boss from Stormclaw, as a reworked AoBR boss.
I'm not sure what that save GW, sculpting man hours I guess?

The Space Hulk Broodlord was a CAD design, so they likely have the files saved somewhere and they can just rejig the model.

I dunno if this has been covered, but can you put a Tyrannocyte inside of a Tyrannocyte which is being carried by another Tyrannocyte?

The rule just says it can carry one monstrous creature. A Tyrannocyte is a monstrous creature.

If so, I want to make a list called "Yo dawg, I heard you like Tyrannocytes..."

Goresaw wrote:
I dunno if this has been covered, but can you put a Tyrannocyte inside of a Tyrannocyte which is being carried by another Tyrannocyte?

The rule just says it can carry one monstrous creature. A Tyrannocyte is a monstrous creature.

If so, I want to make a list called "Yo dawg, I heard you like Tyrannocytes..."

Here is the relevant thread regarding the issue:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/622516.page

So I guess the better question is, whats funnier to put at the end of a Tyrannocyte chain. A hive tyrant, or 5 gaunts?

But the Neurothrope is positively nasty hiding behind 5 other zoans.

Podding them down and abusing LoS to only expose one to return fire while belting out psychic powers is pretty awesome.

Goresaw wrote:
So I guess the better question is, whats funnier to put at the end of a Tyrannocyte chain. A hive tyrant, or 5 gaunts?

But the Neurothrope is positively nasty hiding behind 5 other zoans.

Podding them down and abusing LoS to only expose one to return fire while belting out psychic powers is pretty awesome.

why even leave one exposed, we have no guns to fire with so run back out of LOS in the shooting phase

If a Tyrannocyte snuffs it before dropping the kids off, do the beasties inside die as well?