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 prpetros wrote:
Is that thanquol riding boneripper in the second picture? The far right of the very blurry pic, there seems to be something with a big claw and what looks like a model purched on top. Could be totally wrong but still very excited for this!!

I think it's a HPA but it's hard to tell.

Sim-Life wrote:
Is everyone else looking at a different model?

It looks awful. The gigantic horns make his head look tiny, his pose is stupid (why is he holding a Necron ressurection orb and standing on his own glaive), his braid beard things look silly, and his legs and feet just look weird.

+1 to this, whatever people are seeing in these new big kits I just don't like them. They seem to be big and showy and full of 'wow factor' with no actual substance.

 jonolikespie wrote:

Sim-Life wrote:
Is everyone else looking at a different model?

It looks awful. The gigantic horns make his head look tiny, his pose is stupid (why is he holding a Necron ressurection orb and standing on his own glaive), his braid beard things look silly, and his legs and feet just look weird.

+1 to this, whatever people are seeing in these new big kits I just don't like them. They seem to be big and showy and full of 'wow factor' with no actual substance.

I don't really get comments like this. What exactly is 'substance' in a model? They're big monsters and stuff, wow factor is kind of what they're all about.

No offence, it's fair enough if you don't like it.

5 different Vermin Lords for the different Clans? That's actually pretty awesome, and it looks HUGE. I like the head on the one we've seen.

Must be so cool to not be an CSM player.

I like it, getting a eastern Son Goku vibe from it (the monkey king not Dragon ball).

Yea, not digging this one. Hoping the other variants aren't so "horn-tastic".

I get that the horns might be a mite too much for some people but it's pretty clear they're separate pieces, so leaving them off would be rather easy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
5 different Vermin Lords for the different Clans? That's actually pretty awesome, and it looks HUGE. I like the head on the one we've seen.

Must be so cool to not be an CSM player.

I recall it going to up to Nagash's chin

Experiment 626 wrote:
As epic as this new incarnation of the Horned Rat looks, I can't help but feel a massive pang of jealousy as I look over at how god-awful & super tiny those so-called "Greater" Daemons look now...

Tis a sad day indeed when we can probably fit a GUO underneath this new Vermin Lord's foot for him to strike a pose on.

To be fair for the longest time the vermin lord has been with a crappy model and with a crappy stat-line and such. The fact that it may be impressive, there may be more than one type and this one may hopefully actually take some magic items is a nice boost. I mean think about how daemon princes are. A vermin lord is basically a daemon prince without armor.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I like it, getting a eastern Son Goku vibe from it (the monkey king not Dragon ball).

Oddly enough so am i though i'm more betting for a good 'Wish-granting Dragon' from Dragon ball or Dragon ball z for Lizardmen. I've also been dying to see somebody get a Slann and give it a super saiyan hairstyle with all the spiked up blonde hair. That'd be so boss.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
5 different Vermin Lords for the different Clans? That's actually pretty awesome, and it looks HUGE. I like the head on the one we've seen.

Must be so cool to not be an CSM player.

They said 5 different kinds though they didn't say the special clans. Honestly i could see it happening (plague, magical technology, monstrous beasts and a ninja vermin lord as well as an undivided vermin lord for all or perhaps the great horned rat himself). It could just be what aspect they're going for (ruin magic, plague magic, combat or something). It's hard to say. It's possible but you never know.

Honestly i kind of wished the skaven had other types of clans. They talk about the 4 greater clans and then the warlord clans. In my eyes it is totally possible to have a major clan themed around each part of the world. So yes pirate rats could be a thing as well as more savage skaven and even middle eastern skaven. Skaven are often an offshoot of the human culture they've been around as they steal and live off the waste of humans. They're a dark parody of humans for more than one thing i figure and this includes our culture and our warfare.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
To be fair for the longest time the vermin lord has been with a crappy model and with a crappy stat-line and such.

The stat-line is fine, it's the cost combined with only having a 5+ Ward that's the issue.

Gotta say the profile for the 'verminlord deceiver' is awesome. A verminlord with shooting attacks? It can also skitterleap itself. Strength 6 shooting and hits as many models as the front rank of a unit and they're all poisoned. Very nice indeed.

I'm hoping this vermin lord would be a nice counter to those elf magical fast cavalry that've been plaguing my skaven for some time now.

Edit:

Ok so i take it back. Each greater clan seems to be represented with the new vermin lords.

I dont see what people dont like about it. Im sure theres a variant for everyone but you gotta admit its better than the current one...


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You know how easily you can fix the pose? cut the glaive out and extend it , then stick a big ass rock or some dead everything under his foot. Don't like the beard? Clip it off. Half competent modelers can change it to suit their taste easily.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Sucks that he has to take skitterleap tho why can't he take the thirteenth? Maybe no more of that spell next edition?

If you read the text above the Deceiver's profile box, there's some text that says:

"...of them can re-roll failed casting attempts for one particular spell. Skreech Verminking, for instance, always knows and re-rolls failed attempts for the Dreaded Thirteenth spell. This means you can structure your battle plans around casting this spell with confidence."

So, not only do you still get Dreaded Thirteenth, but it looks like each of the Clan Verminlords get their own spell. I imagine, now that I think of it, that Verminlord Deceivers are Clan Eshin Verminlords.

Mymearan wrote:

best counts-as keeper of secrets i've ever seen. sold!

I was a little mixed with the look of the vermin lord but honestly as you guys said it's just one of the designs of 5. Also there's a lot worse looking models you can pick apart. Just go to 40k to see what i mean. This model is actually pretty good. The only real issue i have is the braids of all things but i can see it working. As was said before you get kind of a wish-granting dragon vibe from dragon ball z from it (shenron). Probably not the feel i'd go for with a vermin lord or some evil verminous rat but it's not bad.

@chiefbigredman: You are aware in that one vermin lord's rules he can actually skitterleap himself right? I mean his ranged weapon is pretty short but imagine he just skitterleaps behind an enemy unit and just throws a volley of strength 6 poisoned shots into them. Sure it's only as many guys are in the front rank for number of attacks but it's not too bad really.

My biggest question of all this is which one to make. As far as looks and rules go i'm curious about how each will play out. I'd hate to see this end up like the un-taken mortarchs like arkhan the black and the vampire queen neferata chick.

Finally there's the issue of cost. What price are we figuring here? Is it in the 80 USD range or is it going to be more like 120 USD? I'm also figuring if i get the Skaven: End times book it'll need to be soft cover if only because it costs too much and hard cover sells out way too fast. You know how hard cover army books cost 42-50 USD? I find it odd the end times books cost so much extra.

So really i'm getting the skaven: end times for skaven and the lore and maybe some cool new units. Something tells me it'll be horribly imbalanced with the new leaders whenever they hit the table. I mean nagash and other big bads are just ridiculous on the power scale. Then there's the issue of glottkin and Karl franz the ascendant. I just hope the dwarfs don't pull something out of their butts and manage to banish the horned rat or something. That'd p*ss me off so bad.

Well, on the plus side, it seems like the Forgeworld model is still available, and is "only" £45, so for the moment at least there's still a Verminlord model that looks decent and it's £20 cheaper than this monstrosity(and not in a good way) will be.

No doubt the mould will mysteriously wear out around the time of the plastic kit's release though.

The model looks full of character, as for substance on big kits... Glottkin has buckets of substance in every single mm?... Nagash is pretty impressive and dynamic kit , floating huge miniature that I have not seen something so ambitious done so well for a long time.
Yes many could fault several of the normal dualkits monsters for every army being a bit soulless but EOT? Not in my opinion, these have been some of the most exiting minis in WFB and GW nailed this one!

Five options on the Skaven? Color me interested.

Indeed a monstrosity, Yodhrin... A monstrosity in the best possible way. God I need this model.

I would like him if he weren't standing on his own weapon.

That might just be this version, the others might have different weapons maybe.

 Breotan wrote:
Slaves are tortured. This thing rules the Skaven.

Yeah, but iirc, even the most powerful skavens tend to not care overly for hygiene, and are likely to torture themselves into monstrosity using warpstone if that makes them more powerful.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Must be so cool to not be an CSM player.

Hear him complaining .

Mymearan wrote:
Indeed a monstrosity, Yodhrin... A monstrosity in the best possible way. God I need this model.

Pretty much this. I have no excuse for owning it, but he's just so cool. Look at those horns, he instantly reminded me of Diablo, he just looks so damn cool.

Forget anything I said about different Vermin Lords. I don't care anymore, I just want that. Right now.

Okay. The rules for the Deceiver have been leaked. It's pretty terrible. No armour, and the only differences between it and a normal Verminlord's profile is +1T and W.

Here's the pic:



And as per usual, the best place to collate rumours is the twitterverse.

Well, it's better than it is now, at least.

Anyone wondering at the Vlord standing on his glaive hasn't played Seong Mina in soul calibur.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Okay. The rules for the Deceiver have been leaked. It's pretty terrible. No armour, and the only differences between it and a normal Verminlord's profile is +1T and W.

Here's the pic:



And as per usual, the best place to collate rumours is the twitterverse.

I really don't get the complaints. It has better toughness another wound and this particular one can skitterleap itself even. That's something monsters were not allowed to do before. Also considering his special ranged attack is his strength (so 6 usually) and it's poisoned and armor piercing. Sure it won't knock down a monster sadly but each shot is as powerful as a jezzail shot with better BS and with a quick to fire weapon should you ever get charged or need to fire on the move. This attack is also poisoned to help even more. You also attack as many times as there are front ranking models. I don't know if you realized this but this guy can decimate cavalry units.

We're also talking one of 5 vermin lords. So yeah maybe it isn't an OP unit but it can totally tear through an enemy unit with just its shooting. Magic is just icing on the cake and puts you in an even better position.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Okay. The rules for the Deceiver have been leaked. It's pretty terrible. No armour, and the only differences between it and a normal Verminlord's profile is +1T and W.

Here's the pic:



And as per usual, the best place to collate rumours is the twitterverse.

If you looked a few posts back someone posted the link to this picture already.
Anyways same amount of points and has like you said +1 W and +1 T. Has that shooting attack too.

This is just one of the 5 vermin lord variations. So this might not be the best variation. I assume there will be a more powerful one that can rival some of the larger nasties the other armies got.

I agree no armour is kinda bush tho. Wish it had a 4+ ward instead of a 5 but we will see the other rules soon enough.

On the plus side, I found a better Verminlord!

 thedarkavenger wrote:
On the plus side, I found a better Verminlord!

Better is subjective. I quite like the new GW Verminlord.