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 Jihadin wrote:
Anyone in "Down Under" figure out how radicalize is the guy their dealing with? Is he Home Grown? Recent arrival?


The media apparently know who he is but are not publicizing information from the public while the incident is still underway. His demands were also not meant to be publicized yet but it seems a couple American news channels have started.
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:
Is Islam compatible with the West?

feth your question. Seriously, feth it. Not because of the reasons that were already mentioned, though, but because worse stuff happens pretty much every day in non-Western countries, and yet that never prompted you to ask yourself “Is Islam compatible with peace/humanity/whatever”. feth your question because it frames the world as the Western victims and the evil foreign all-Muslims aggressors, when really the first one to suffer from Islam live in countries with a Muslim majority. I have no problem with you criticizing Islam, hell I would likely be the first to agree, but building a narrative where the victims of Islam are poor westerners, or where what happens in non-Western countries is some non-relevant issue that we should not care about because they are strangers? I am going to get all angry on you.


Never ask that question again.


Should have not responded to the post for now it becomes a debatable but stupid distraction from the actual discussion itself

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Dropbear Victim wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Anyone in "Down Under" figure out how radicalize is the guy their dealing with? Is he Home Grown? Recent arrival?


The media apparently know who he is but are not publicizing information from the public while the incident is still underway. His demands were also not meant to be publicized yet but it seems a couple American news channels have started.


He seems to be a white Caucasian convert home grown which hopefully he is not that freaking "fanatical fighter" in a mental state of "Jihad". Those types will go out in a blaze of glory. Is he still exposing himself at the window Dropbear?

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 Jihadin wrote:
Dropbear Victim wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Anyone in "Down Under" figure out how radicalize is the guy their dealing with? Is he Home Grown? Recent arrival?


The media apparently know who he is but are not publicizing information from the public while the incident is still underway. His demands were also not meant to be publicized yet but it seems a couple American news channels have started.


He seems to be a white Caucasian convert home grown which hopefully he is not that freaking "fanatical fighter" in a mental state of "Jihad". Those types will go out in a blaze of glory. Is he still exposing himself at the window Dropbear?


No idea. The lights were out last I heard and they would have been in the dark a couple hours now.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Save your moral outrage for another time Hybrid.

No.

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Man arrested in thamesmead England, for preparing to commit terrorist act.

Belgium siege over, police went in arrested suspects.

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Dropbear Victim wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Dropbear Victim wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Anyone in "Down Under" figure out how radicalize is the guy their dealing with? Is he Home Grown? Recent arrival?


The media apparently know who he is but are not publicizing information from the public while the incident is still underway. His demands were also not meant to be publicized yet but it seems a couple American news channels have started.


He seems to be a white Caucasian convert home grown which hopefully he is not that freaking "fanatical fighter" in a mental state of "Jihad". Those types will go out in a blaze of glory. Is he still exposing himself at the window Dropbear?


No idea. The lights were out last I heard and they would have been in the dark a couple hours now.


Just heard there was a possible four IED's involve. Two in the cafe and two somewhere else was the count mention. He does not look to be wearing a suicide vest. No Warlocks/Dukes ECM in play just incase he decides to cell call a detonation or prevent the back up trigger detonation caller being they're using social media devices and posting on Twitter/whatnot

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Identity is being revealed now as Man Maron Moris, a radical Iranian cleric. Apparently he's been recently giving death threats to the families of deceased soldiers and has a history of violence and sex crimes. Also apparently complicit in his wife's murder.

Sounds like a nice chap.
   
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staffordshire england

#illridewithyou:
Aussies call for support, tolerance to Muslims amid hostage crisis
Australian Twitter users have shown their support for their Muslim neighbors with a spontaneous campaign, offering to ride with them on buses and trains, or give them a lift to work to ensure their safety as the Sydney hostage situation continues.



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Local internet and cell phone links would/should be shut down by now.

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Dropbear Victim wrote:
Identity is being revealed now as Man Maron Moris, a radical Iranian cleric. Apparently he's been recently giving death threats to the families of deceased soldiers and has a history of violence and sex crimes. Also apparently complicit in his wife's murder.

Sounds like a nice chap.


He's open minded to accept Martyrdom. This is not going to end well

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 loki old fart wrote:
#illridewithyou:
Aussies call for support, tolerance to Muslims amid hostage crisis
Australian Twitter users have shown their support for their Muslim neighbors with a spontaneous campaign, offering to ride with them on buses and trains, or give them a lift to work to ensure their safety as the Sydney hostage situation continues.


Nice reaction.

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Mod Hat On:

I believe another moderator has already warned users within this very thread about turning this into a religious discussion--or more specifically the merits of Islam within the western world. And while yes, some discussion of extremist religious views is inseparable from the situation, given what appears to be the motivations of the hostage taker, we are not going to go down an atheist/religious/geopolitical discussion about the ramifications of Islam. And this is from a moderator that has typically posted rather harsh criticisms of Islam (and religion in general). This is simply not the thread nor time for it, so please (please) avoid that. We are an international forum with many Australians and rather than lecture them on how their country has decided to view Muslim immigration, religious practices, etc.---why don't we just offer support for anyone directly or indirectly effected by this madman?


Mod Hat Off:

Seriously, to any of our Australian forum members, hope you and yours are safe and not caught up in this. Sorry to see you guys going through this, hopefully it resolves peacefully.

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 Jihadin wrote:
Dropbear Victim wrote:
Identity is being revealed now as Man Maron Moris, a radical Iranian cleric. Apparently he's been recently giving death threats to the families of deceased soldiers and has a history of violence and sex crimes. Also apparently complicit in his wife's murder.

Sounds like a nice chap.


He's open minded to accept Martyrdom. This is not going to end well


First available shot?

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 Orlanth wrote:
Local internet and cell phone links would/should be shut down by now.


If they're still linking into WiFi then no. Duke shuts down all ECM transmission. A Warlock allows only certain freq's that is not common to civilian population.

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He claims to have been tortured in prison, for sending political letters.



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 Orlanth wrote:
 Jihadin wrote:
Dropbear Victim wrote:
Identity is being revealed now as Man Maron Moris, a radical Iranian cleric. Apparently he's been recently giving death threats to the families of deceased soldiers and has a history of violence and sex crimes. Also apparently complicit in his wife's murder.

Sounds like a nice chap.


He's open minded to accept Martyrdom. This is not going to end well


First available shot?


They need to confirm if he has IED's or not. He might have a pipe bomb in there and cell call trigger IED somewhere in Sydney. They seriously more likely fine combing his place, suspected places and places far fetch he might have been at to confirm if he built IED's

He is not wearing a bomb vest though

Bigger question though is he a "Lone Wolf" or part of some movement. Thinking "Lone Wolf"


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 loki old fart wrote:
He claims to have been tortured in prison, for sending political letters.


He's building up the "justification" to end his life

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A little man seeking attention, may have been involved in his wife's death. current partner sent letters to families of dead Aussie soldiers.



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 loki old fart wrote:
A little man seeking attention, may have been involved in his wife's death. current partner sent letters to families of dead Aussie soldiers.


Bitch of the problem that no one caught yet is he is a self proclaim "Cleric" or "Imam". This guy gets opted out the Muslim world is going to focus on the word and fact the West killed a Imam/Cleric of the Islamic Faith

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He dead. Good riddance.

Aussie police handing out bangers like candy, and reported gunfire.

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 Jihadin wrote:
Bitch of the problem that no one caught yet is he is a self proclaim "Cleric" or "Imam". This guy gets opted out the Muslim world is going to focus on the word and fact the West killed a Imam/Cleric of the Islamic Faith

If this guy is actually Iranian and self-proclaimed, this seems very unlikely. He would certainly be Shia, meaning many of the Sunni extremists would not really care for him, and in Iran, one does not self-proclaim to be an Imam, just like one does not self-proclaim to be a catholic cardinal.
The only people that would care about it are those that are desperate to feed their narrative. But those will fill it no matter what.

And I find the idea he may be an appointed Imam that is actually part of the Iranian clergy a bit implausible. Why would he want to go to Australia then? And why take hostages there?
I expect a looser that self-proclaimed himself only after emigrating to Australia, as an excuse to indulge in whatever terrible things he fancied. I hope he get arrested without making any victim. Maybe he can still be fixed…[edit]Oh, too late for any kind of fixing him, apparently. Hope nobody else was injured.[/edit]

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 Firehead158 wrote:
He dead. Good riddance.

Aussie police handing out bangers like candy, and reported gunfire.


Dang it :/

There goes all the source information.

could you put information up please?

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 Asherian Command wrote:
 Firehead158 wrote:
He dead. Good riddance.

Aussie police handing out bangers like candy, and reported gunfire.


Dang it :/

There goes all the source information.

could you put information up please?

Police feared for hostages, went in hard and fast. ! heart attack possible 3 more injured



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Chicago, Illinois

 loki old fart wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
 Firehead158 wrote:
He dead. Good riddance.

Aussie police handing out bangers like candy, and reported gunfire.


Dang it :/

There goes all the source information.

could you put information up please?

Police feared for hostages, went in hard and fast. ! heart attack possible 3 more injured


Well thats understandable. But seriously three injured?

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 Asherian Command wrote:
 loki old fart wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
 Firehead158 wrote:
He dead. Good riddance.

Aussie police handing out bangers like candy, and reported gunfire.


Dang it :/

There goes all the source information.

could you put information up please?

Police feared for hostages, went in hard and fast. ! heart attack possible 3 more injured


Well thats understandable. But seriously three injured?

No 4 possible injured. 1 heart attack, 3 more possible, paramedics went in giving CPR.



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2 confirmed dead, 3 in critical--one news thread said one of the officers was critically injured.

It's good to reflect on that, given all of the police issues we've had lately (Perhaps justified in some circumstances, perhaps not others)---regardless there are some very brave guys out there that rush into buildings trying to save others, not knowing if there was an IED in there or not. Kudos to your officers Aussies, from what I've heard so far--he started letting go on hostages and they had to go in.

Terrible for the families involved.

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 AgeOfEgos wrote:
2 confirmed dead, 3 in critical--one news thread said one of the officers was critically injured.

It's good to reflect on that, given all of the police issues we've had lately (Perhaps justified in some circumstances, perhaps not others)---regardless there are some very brave guys out there that rush into buildings trying to save others, not knowing if there was an IED in there or not. Kudos to your officers Aussies, from what I've heard so far--he started letting go on hostages and they had to go in.

Terrible for the families involved.


Agreed. But considering the number of hostages, could have been a lot worse.



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 loki old fart wrote:
 AgeOfEgos wrote:
2 confirmed dead, 3 in critical--one news thread said one of the officers was critically injured.

It's good to reflect on that, given all of the police issues we've had lately (Perhaps justified in some circumstances, perhaps not others)---regardless there are some very brave guys out there that rush into buildings trying to save others, not knowing if there was an IED in there or not. Kudos to your officers Aussies, from what I've heard so far--he started letting go on hostages and they had to go in.

Terrible for the families involved.


Agreed. But considering the number of hostages, could have been a lot worse.


I agree.
The situation could of been a lot worse. Thank god the guy inside wasn't a pro and didn't have backup

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Sydney gunman identified as Iranian-born Man Haron Monis, on bail for violent crimes
Sheik Man Haron Monis, an Islamic ‘spiritual healer’ who is facing charges of sexual assault and being an accessory to murder, has been identified as the man who has taken civilians hostage in a Sydney café, according to local media citing police sources.
The Iranian-born 50-year-old fled to Australia in 1996, but came to prominence after 2007, when he began sending “hate mail” to families of soldiers, who died while fighting in Iraq.

Despite claiming to be a peace advocate, and even chaining himself to a courthouse, Monis was sentenced to 300 hours of community service last year.
Since then, his charge sheet has included much graver offences.

In December last year, Monis was accused of helping his current partner, Amirah Droudis, to murder his ex-wife, Noleen Hayson Pal. The woman had been stabbed several times and set alight in a Sydney apartment in April 2013.
Monis had been locked in a custody battle with Pal, and prosecutors say he staged a heart attack, car accident and a robbery to create an alibi on the day of the murder. In April this year, Monis, who was on bail, was re-arrested after multiple reports of sexual abuse emerged.

Between 2000 and 2002, Monis styled himself as an “expert in astrology, numerology, meditation and black magic.” More than 40 women have alleged that he used this as an opportunity to sexually assault vulnerable clients, who came to him for help.

Despite police concerns that Monis could attempt to extract revenge against his accusers, the preacher was once again released prior to his hearing.

Monis, who accumulated more than 14,000 followers on his Facebook page before it was shut down on Monday, accused the government of systematic persecution.

Monis was due to face trial for both sets of charges next year.

On Monday he walked into Lindt cafe in central Sydney, reportedly brandishing a gun. More than a dozen hostages were thought to remain inside, before police began a storm as night fell.



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I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
 
   
 
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