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Super Newb wrote:
Someone on B+C just posted this


http://i.imgur.com/KrCazbf.jpg

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Cognis Flamer does 3 hits on Wall of Death.


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Heavy Grav is Salvo 4/6, Concussion, Grav.


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Heavy Plasma - Heavy 2 Blast Gets Hot

Wow... That Grav ...

Torsion Cannon - S8 AP 1 Torsion (Does D3 HP instead of 1 per result for Glance, 3 for Pen)

That's a huge picture. Okay someone hel me convert gravity weapons to second ed.

Disruption is Haywire.

Super Newb wrote:
Someone on B+C just posted this


http://i.imgur.com/KrCazbf.jpg

Some things from a quick skim:

Cognis-flamer does 3 hits instead of d3 vs. chargers.

Heavy grav cannon: Range 30", Salvo 4/6

Plasma caliver looks like Heavy 2 Blast, S7 AP 2 as usual.

Hydraulic Claw doubles Strength in Assaults, maybe some other stuff.

Torsion Cannon does d3 Hull Points on a Glancing Hit, and something else similar on a pen.

Heavy grav is also 30"

Me likey

Tortion cannon is str 8 ap 1 Heavy 1 with a special rule that looks like it takes multiple hull points off of stuff?

 pretre wrote:
Torsion Cannon - S8 AP 1 Torsion (Does D3 HP instead of 1 per result for Glance, 3 for Pen)

Hmm. Can hurt non vehicles better than arc can, but not as good against vehicles as the arc weapon. I'm assuming. Didn't crunch any numbers.

For the love of...

Can we PLEASE get some Plasma weapons for Mechanicus that aren't "Gets Hot"?! It's already stupid that Skitarii pay 30 points per Plasma Caliver despite retaining "Gets Hot."

Super Newb wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Torsion Cannon - S8 AP 1 Torsion (Does D3 HP instead of 1 per result for Glance, 3 for Pen)

Hmm. Can hurt non vehicles better than arc can, but not as good against vehicles as the arc weapon. I'm assuming. Didn't crunch any numbers.

3 HP on a pen is basically a kill. I'd like to see the numbers because that sounds pretty nice.

30 points is stupid for the Skitarri plasma *whatevers*

 Kanluwen wrote:
For the love of...

Can we PLEASE get some Plasma weapons for Mechanicus that aren't "Gets Hot"?! It's already stupid that Skitarii pay 30 points per Plasma Caliver despite retaining "Gets Hot."

Gets Hot is quintessential Mechanicus. Working with forces they don't understand that may backfire on them because they are just doing what they've been doing for 10k years? Yep.

Just thinking things through, it seems like the Breachers still have pretty decent firepower in addition to their assault capabilities. On the other hand, a minimum sized unit of Destroyers is spitting out 18 grav shots or 6 plasma bursts per turn while moving.

Interesting, the Cognis flamer does an auto three hits on Wall of Death and Overwatch shots.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
For the love of...

Can we PLEASE get some Plasma weapons for Mechanicus that aren't "Gets Hot"?! It's already stupid that Skitarii pay 30 points per Plasma Caliver despite retaining "Gets Hot."

That's pre-Heresy levels of plasma mastery we're talking about here..

 pretre wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Torsion Cannon - S8 AP 1 Torsion (Does D3 HP instead of 1 per result for Glance, 3 for Pen)

Hmm. Can hurt non vehicles better than arc can, but not as good against vehicles as the arc weapon. I'm assuming. Didn't crunch any numbers.

3 HP on a pen is basically a kill. I'd like to see the numbers because that sounds pretty nice.

Wow. No gak. 3 HP will wreck rhinos, dreadnoughts, wave serpents. S8 doesn't suck.

d3 HP on a glance doesn't suck either.

It seems the phosphor gun that goes on these guys is different than the ones on the dune crawlers, or Kastelans

24" str 5 ap 4 rapid fire

Is anyone else thinking that this is WAY over the top? 165 pt unit spitting out 18 Grav shots?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
It seems the phosphor gun that goes on these guys is different than the ones on the dune crawlers, or Kastelans

24" str 5 ap 4 rapid fire

Makes sense as this one's a Phosphor Blaster and the Onager/Kastellans have a Heavy Phosphor Blaster.

 Wilson wrote:
Is anyone else thinking that this is WAY over the top? 165 pt unit spitting out 18 Grav shots?

Well BS3, but if that formation with the +1 BS ignores cover is true, then yea lol

 pretre wrote:
Torsion Cannon - S8 AP 1 Torsion (Does D3 HP instead of 1 per result for Glance, 3 for Pen)

OOOOOOOFT

Basically a multimelta that can now even more reliably one-shot most tanks...

 Red Corsair wrote:
I wonder what the feth a heavy grav canon is.

Centurions pack grav canons not heavy grav canons and they are salvo 3/5... these could be salvo 4/7 or better or maybe they are 3/5 but with longer range.

Very curious!

Sadly it is probably gonna be heavy 1 blast....

 Wilson wrote:
Is anyone else thinking that this is WAY over the top? 165 pt unit spitting out 18 Grav shots?

Marines everywhere cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

The best thing is that they are resilient to return Grav fire themselves, with their 4+ armor save. In general, I'm not a fan of Grav existing. It's much too rock-paper-scissor for my tastes.

 kronk wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Torsion Cannon - S8 AP 1 Torsion (Does D3 HP instead of 1 per result for Glance, 3 for Pen)

Hmm. Can hurt non vehicles better than arc can, but not as good against vehicles as the arc weapon. I'm assuming. Didn't crunch any numbers.

3 HP on a pen is basically a kill. I'd like to see the numbers because that sounds pretty nice.

Wow. No gak. 3 HP will wreck rhinos, dreadnoughts, wave serpents. S8 doesn't suck.

d3 HP on a glance doesn't suck either.

Well yeah a pen is obviously awesome. But the glance either does 1 2 or 3 hull points depending on how you roll. Against AV 11 you aren't glancing at all 1/3 of the time. Against AV12 the torsion gun does nothing 50% of the time. The arc rifle just needs to hit and then 85% of the time you gets glance or better. The arc gun is also two shots and 36 inches versus the 24 of the torsion gun.

Someone much smarter than me is going to have to crunch the numbers versus different AV targets.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And they have visibly different chest-plates as well. The 3+ ones literally have more armour. Nice touch.

I'm somewhat surprised that the poster sheet of all the units didn't include both units. It included all the other possible dual builds. Gives me hope for the Electro Priests.

Anyway, Hail Mars.

different statline (well at least the save)

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
It seems the phosphor gun that goes on these guys is different than the ones on the dune crawlers, or Kastelans

24" str 5 ap 4 rapid fire

The Phosphor gun on them is just a side gun, it's the second gun that they come stock with and can fire alongside the main weapon thanks to their rule. I'm not surprised it isn't another heavy weapon of some sort.

Breachers don't jump at me now. Their guns are either 1 shot or 2, and with BS3 that's somewhat problematic. If the "perfect deep strike" formation is true, then they'll be decent at dropping in and popping off vehicles, but AdMech already has things that do that well (Vanguard in Drop Pods, for instance). Maybe Canticles of the Omnissiah will give them a boost like Skitarii, but until then I can't see myself using them.

Grav Destroyers are the SAUCE though. There's a gun that excels at shooting things. 6 shots with Grav and Concussive? Yes please! BS3 ain't no thing when a base unit is putting out 18 shots. Plasma is alright, you can use it to munch down hordes of things with bad saves.

Of course, mass Grav weaponry is problematic when you fight things like Daemons, Guard, or Orks where a 4+ save is considered a tough model. Still, considering the number of hits, I'd rather take Grav over Plasma, as Gets Hot and Scatter make me frown.

 kronk wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Torsion Cannon - S8 AP 1 Torsion (Does D3 HP instead of 1 per result for Glance, 3 for Pen)

Hmm. Can hurt non vehicles better than arc can, but not as good against vehicles as the arc weapon. I'm assuming. Didn't crunch any numbers.

3 HP on a pen is basically a kill. I'd like to see the numbers because that sounds pretty nice.

Wow. No gak. 3 HP will wreck rhinos, dreadnoughts, wave serpents. S8 doesn't suck.

d3 HP on a glance doesn't suck either.

yeah, aveage 2 hull points on a glance. Twice as effective.

Although imagine a regular weapon with double the number of shots....


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 Wilson wrote:
Is anyone else thinking that this is WAY over the top? 165 pt unit spitting out 18 Grav shots?

Against orks or terminators. It makes a difference.


Also remember cents have the Grav Amp, so they get to reroll to wound, these guys dont.

Yeah but a single unit of them in the perfect DS formation (if it's even true) would allow me to jump next to a nasty MC or GC and just.. melt it away..
Suddenly not as afraid of that wraithknight

The thing that keeps coming back to mind when you make comparisons is that these are troops! They don't take a heavy or fast slot. Just your required troops. Just bring a CAD with a Priest and 3 units of grav dudes to just in case you run into good armor (Wraithknight or Riptide).

 Swara wrote:
Yeah but a single unit of them in the perfect DS formation (if it's even true) would allow me to jump next to a nasty MC or GC and just.. melt it away..
Suddenly not as afraid of that wraithknight

The rumor of the Perfect Deep Strike formation is that it's for the Breachers, not the Destroyers.

Though, with a 30" range, they don't particularly need Deep Strike.

And so the omnissiah declared over the vox network: Let there be grav and it was well within the statistically acceptable range of superior performance.