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 Red Corsair wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

That was for breachers, the ones that don't get grav or plasma. BIG difference there.

I thought it was for destroyer, not breachers?

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

 gameandwatch wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

That was for breachers, the ones that don't get grav or plasma. BIG difference there.

I thought it was for destroyer, not breachers?

Yeah the ignore cover and bonus bs is for destroyers supposedly.

 Red Corsair wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

Bs 3 balances them out but yeah, they are mega good for podding. Let's wait and see what formations they get first.

Formation gives them BS4 and Ignore Cover...

That was for breachers, the ones that don't get grav or plasma. BIG difference there.

The BOLS rumor says otherwise:

Elimination Maniple – gain +1 BS and ignore cover
2-3 units of Kataphron Destroyers
1-3 Kastelan Robot Maniples

The Breachers get the Deep Strike formation.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

55 for the ones that can shoot grav or plasma.

They have a nice damage output for sure, but they only have a 4+ save, and no bullet catchers in the squad. Definitely glass cannons.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

To be fair, the grav cannon is a free upgrade. The only paid upgrade, besides more servitors, is the flamer, which costs 5pts.

Super Newb wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

55 for the ones that can shoot grav or plasma.

They have a nice damage output for sure, but they only have a 4+ save, and no bullet catchers in the squad. Definitely glass cannons.

Maybe the electro priests will be good meat shields??

Super Newb wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

55 for the ones that can shoot grav or plasma.

They have a nice damage output for sure, but they only have a 4+ save, and no bullet catchers in the squad. Definitely glass cannons.

Yeah for sure, once you drop podded them, you better hope you deal enough damage(crush them scatbikes), because once the opponent shoot back or assaults they are done. The rest of your army has to be balanced enough take on other threats.

i just had a look at most of the Ad-Mech sprues at the shop today...
there are so many little cool bits, that look even better in hand than they do in the pics online...
i can see the Iron Hands, or some Sons of Medusa, really benefiting from the leftover extras in these sets!!!

the Tech-Priest that comes with the robots is amazing...
the leg pistons on his armor, even though they are mostly hidden by his robes, are so cool...
the three-fingered hand theme is very funky, and i like it...

i am very impressed by the design work that has gone into this army...
i can't wait to pillage my buddy's sprues after he has built his army!!!

cheers
jah

migooo wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So no whine and grind with the new Kataphron points cost? They're the most ridiculously undercosted heavy-weapon spamming troop unit since, well, scatter bikes.

50 points per model plus whatever upgrades? Are you kidding? That and they're not particularly fast..

55 for the ones that can shoot grav or plasma.

They have a nice damage output for sure, but they only have a 4+ save, and no bullet catchers in the squad. Definitely glass cannons.

Maybe the electro priests will be good meat shields??

Well considering they're an elite choice and that they used to be very powerful back in the day (they had str8 attacks if I remember correctly?), I severely doubt they will be meat shield-y. Seeing the effects of the arc weaponry, I can imagine they'll have a lot of haywire as well.

Heavy modification credit goes to the 400 photoshop ideas that made this thing better. I decided to make him similar to a contemptor. He almost looks like he would fit right in with a 30k army now.

What did you do to convert him, 'cause it looks ace!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What did you do to convert him, 'cause it looks ace!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/648959.page

I love it Orock, I exalted and commented in your thread. Thanks for posting! Now to get some green stuff for the first time.

Three in a pod leaves room for a character.....nice.....

For scale: Look at the size of the bloody things!!

Huh, they are pretty darn big. Kinda makes me sad they aren't 2+/ 3+ but they are already givin a lot, so, can't complain too much.

The thing that is interesting to me is if anyone actually plans on fielding them in units larger than 3. 5 with torsion guns sounds interesting, idk...

 gameandwatch wrote:
Huh, they are pretty darn big. Kinda makes me sad they aren't 2+/ 3+ but they are already givin a lot, so, can't complain too much.

The thing that is interesting to me is if anyone actually plans on fielding them in units larger than 3. 5 with torsion guns sounds interesting, idk...

Destroyers I couldn't see myself fielding outside of min sizes. MSU with something like that is too good, and it's not like being part of a big unit will make expensive 4+ any better. Better to force split fire and be more spread out.

Breachers... maybe. But probably no bigger than 4 or 5, probably min size is best though. Haywire guns don't need a lot per unit to kill a vehicle, just the min unit of 3 should be able to kill any 3HP vehicle by themselves as long as luck isn't too bad. Torsion Guns in sizes over 5 would be overkill with their D3 wounds per wound on nearly anything except a Wraithknight, and even then you'd want to be MSU to keep from getting wiped in one go.

Big units are better when most of them are standards/meatshields and you want to protect the important models. Like taking extra Bolter Devestators to protect the Lascannons. But there's really no need for Kataphrons, taking more per unit will probably just wind up as overkill 90% of the time.

So are we thinking codex this week?

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So are we thinking codex this week?

With a side of salt, Techpriest Dominus, and Electro-Priests.

Requizen wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
Huh, they are pretty darn big. Kinda makes me sad they aren't 2+/ 3+ but they are already givin a lot, so, can't complain too much.

The thing that is interesting to me is if anyone actually plans on fielding them in units larger than 3. 5 with torsion guns sounds interesting, idk...

Destroyers I couldn't see myself fielding outside of min sizes. MSU with something like that is too good, and it's not like being part of a big unit will make expensive 4+ any better. Better to force split fire and be more spread out.

Breachers... maybe. But probably no bigger than 4 or 5, probably min size is best though. Haywire guns don't need a lot per unit to kill a vehicle, just the min unit of 3 should be able to kill any 3HP vehicle by themselves as long as luck isn't too bad. Torsion Guns in sizes over 5 would be overkill with their D3 wounds per wound on nearly anything except a Wraithknight, and even then you'd want to be MSU to keep from getting wiped in one go.

Big units are better when most of them are standards/meatshields and you want to protect the important models. Like taking extra Bolter Devestators to protect the Lascannons. But there's really no need for Kataphrons, taking more per unit will probably just wind up as overkill 90% of the time.

yeah no reason to take more than the min squad size

They dont compete for a competitive slot(HAH)

3 is going to be enough to neuter just about anything you want to shoot at.

There are no sunk costs or unlock costs. No mandatory sergents or required unit in order to take them. No transport tax.

Yea this week should be codex and all flavors of priest

I hope those german WD leaks come soon

I want to know what Canticles does finally

Yeah that's what I wanna know.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Yea this week should be codex and all flavors of priest

I hope those german WD leaks come soon

I want to know what Canticles does finally

I want to know about the HQ. Is he a melee beatstick? Does he buff junk? Does he have a shooting weapon I cannot see? What does the pimp cane do? Can he have a retinue of ho's? What is the ideal pimpmobile for him.

It's possible that this week will be the Electro-Priests and nothing else.

 Exergy wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Yea this week should be codex and all flavors of priest

I hope those german WD leaks come soon

I want to know what Canticles does finally

I want to know about the HQ. Is he a melee beatstick? Does he buff junk? Does he have a shooting weapon I cannot see? What does the pimp cane do? Can he have a retinue of ho's? What is the ideal pimpmobile for him.

Probably a Taurox with some 30" spinner conversions

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's possible that this week will be the Electro-Priests and nothing else.

Unlikely, next weeks hints are:

- Electrifying
- Lords of Mars let loose

If Lords of Mars doesn't point to the HQ, I'd be very, very surprised.

'Lord of Mars let loose' is probably the codex, Dominus will probably be released in the final week.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
'Lord of Mars let loose' is probably the codex, Dominus will probably be released in the final week.

http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2015/05/this-weeks-releases-codex-tech-priests.html

Good to know ol' pimpcane will be released next with the 'dex and electro priests.