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We still have no idea what Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation is...for all we know it could include 2000+ points worth of units

I can also confirm the rule, here's my translation of it:

"All the options available to the models in the formation (including Relics of Mars and Arcana Mechanicum) are free"


that seems beyond OP, so my guess is the Battle Congregation include a ton of units



EDIT: replaced "units" by "models" for more acurate translation

Basically an extreme version of that Vanguard/Sternguard BA formation that gave free power weapons and combi's. But if you're fielding this then you are probably only fielding this in tournament games which means it's not a huge deal.

wait...is the Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation only the name of the CM detachment (1 hq + 2 troops) !?!?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Basically an extreme version of that Vanguard/Sternguard BA formation that gave free power weapons and combi's. But if you're fielding this then you are probably only fielding this in tournament games which means it's not a huge deal.

Probably. But give it another 12 months, and they probably won't bother costing stuff with points at all anymore when they re-do Eldar again.

 RedFox wrote:
We still have no idea what Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation is...for all we know it could include 2000+ points worth of units
I can also confirm the rule, here's my translation of it:
"All the options available to the units in the formation (including Relics of Mars and Arcana Mechanicum) are free"
that seems beyond OP, so my guess is the Battle Congregation include a ton of units

Just craziness. Suddenly Onagers and Rangers get a lot better

suddenly you are going to be fielding every relic in both books every game

who knows what cantacles does, but giving it to everything.....


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Wonderwolf wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Basically an extreme version of that Vanguard/Sternguard BA formation that gave free power weapons and combi's. But if you're fielding this then you are probably only fielding this in tournament games which means it's not a huge deal.

Probably. But give it another 12 months, and they probably won't bother costing stuff with points at all anymore when they re-do Eldar again.

forge the narrative

So guys, Icarus Array or Neutronager for our single Onager tax in the BM?

 ultimentra wrote:
So guys, Icarus Array or Neutronager for our single Onager tax in the BM?

Well, you're gonna use your free Knight-upgrade for anti-air or not? If not, probably the free Icarus. If yes, probably the free Neutro-laser. Decisions, decisions.....

 ultimentra wrote:
So guys, Icarus Array or Neutronager for our single Onager tax in the BM?

I'm planning on taking an errant, so probably Icarus on the dunecralwer

I really REALLY hope that the combination of that formation even at its minimum is more than 1850 points...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Yea, but thats another box of units i'd have to buy lol

You have discovered the actual point of this formation - you giving GW more of your money

 gameandwatch wrote:
I really REALLY hope that the combination of that formation even at its minimum is more than 1850 points...

I dont, 1850 is what my local area plays.

 gameandwatch wrote:
I really REALLY hope that the combination of that formation even at its minimum is more than 1850 points...

Nah, it'll probably be just underneath at minimum. But once you add in more chicken walkers, Onagers, Robots, etc, it'll go over.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
So guys, Icarus Array or Neutronager for our single Onager tax in the BM?

I'm planning on taking an errant, so probably Icarus on the dunecralwer

Still get a free carapace-thingy for the Errant.

The admech formation SHOULD be at least 900 points, 300 for both types of troops, 300 for one group of robots, that leaves tech priest, and electro priests

That's the whose line formation. The rules are made up and the points no longer matter. GW seems to be forging the narrative that there's no point in a rules structure any longer.

Pulled it up on battle scribe, the Skitarri formation is 600 minimum, plus your flavor of knight for 325-425, plus 160-165 twice for your flavor of kataphrons plus 100-150 for an hq

1400 minimum with nothing added is what I'm guessing

It really depends on what the Cult detchachment is.

As for upgrades, does adding bodies to fill out a squad count as an 'option', so those bodies would be free?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Pulled it up on battle scribe, the Skitarri formation is 600 minimum, plus your flavor of knight for 325-425, plus 160-165 twice for your flavor of kataphrons plus 100-150 for an hq

1400 minimum with nothing added is what I'm guessing

It really depends on what the Cult detchachment is.

As for upgrades, does adding bodies to fill out a squad count as an 'option', so those bodies would be free?

The french version is all options per "figurines", which would be all options per model (but not different models). Hard to RAW in French though.

But yeah, if its 1 HQ, 2 Troop, it goes under 1500 pts. minimum AND is a lot more flexible to fit most of your games, if the Cult Mech is a CAD-style thing and not a Formation.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Pulled it up on battle scribe, the Skitarri formation is 600 minimum, plus your flavor of knight for 325-425, plus 160-165 twice for your flavor of kataphrons plus 100-150 for an hq

1400 minimum with nothing added is what I'm guessing

It really depends on what the Cult detchachment is.

As for upgrades, does adding bodies to fill out a squad count as an 'option', so those bodies would be free?

free options per models, not units

Question at this point is, is this formation as powerful as getting Ignores Cover and +1 BS on Heavy Grav Cannons?

 RedFox wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Pulled it up on battle scribe, the Skitarri formation is 600 minimum, plus your flavor of knight for 325-425, plus 160-165 twice for your flavor of kataphrons plus 100-150 for an hq

1400 minimum with nothing added is what I'm guessing

It really depends on what the Cult detchachment is.

As for upgrades, does adding bodies to fill out a squad count as an 'option', so those bodies would be free?

free options per models, not units

Figured as much, still vanguard/rangers are cheap if they'r enot paying for upgrades.

Good stuff

 ultimentra wrote:
Question at this point is, is this formation as powerful as getting Ignores Cover and +1 BS on Heavy Grav Cannons?

Depends, rumored abilitiy from the canticles is +1 BS and ignores cover to the whole army.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:


Figured as much, still vanguard/rangers are cheap if they'r enot paying for upgrades.

Good stuff

Those at the very least can get nearly triple their worth of stuff.

5 Vanguard are just 55 pts. naked.

2x Plasma Caliver, Omnispex, Alpha with Arc Maul/Pistol, Conversion Field, Digi-weapons and a 25 pts. Relic is nearly 150 pts. of free stuff.

I hate this. I really hate this. Not only is this a shady marketing ploy, it completely diminishes the creativity surrounding list building by making every list that doesn't follow a careful structure inherently inferior. I certainly hope GW doesn't take this idea any further, though they probably will...

nudibranch wrote:
I hate this. I really hate this. Not only is this a shady marketing ploy, it completely diminishes the creativity surrounding list building by making every list that doesn't follow a careful structure inherently inferior. I certainly hope GW doesn't take this idea any further, though they probably will...

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just a super expensive and restrictive formation that people are going to freak out about and then only see once in a blue moon, in giant games. Your average gamer at a FLGS isn't going to field it and probably can't under 2000 point games.

Requizen wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
I hate this. I really hate this. Not only is this a shady marketing ploy, it completely diminishes the creativity surrounding list building by making every list that doesn't follow a careful structure inherently inferior. I certainly hope GW doesn't take this idea any further, though they probably will...

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just a super expensive and restrictive formation that people are going to freak out about and then only see once in a blue moon, in giant games. Your average gamer at a FLGS isn't going to field it and probably can't under 2000 point games.

We don't know the minimum points cost yet. Unless I missed something.

If it is 1850 or less why wouldn't someone field it? Especially if they want lots of ad mech Mars stuff on the board?

I agree that this kind of formation just kill any creativity from list building, everyone will just run this super OP formation...of course I'm assuming the Cult Mechanicus tax is not too high

There are some positives. Your army is going to look super cool with one of everything on the board. And it will let you practice with a lot of stuff you would never consider using otherwise, you might find something you overoverlooked you really like. It eliminates spam and the use of ( in my opinion). The far more powerful +1 bs and no cover formation with grav for days.

 pazuzu wrote:
Electropriest are 90 for 5. unit is 5-20 sized, more than we have seen they are zealot and have fnp
profil is 4/3/3/3/3/1/?

The fulgurite staff deal Instant death on a 6 to wound.

I bet that's the reason why GW thinks a T3 model on foot with no save to speak of is worth 18 points per model. Never mind the fact that the overwhelming majority of things in this game have 1 wound so that rule will almost never come into effect.

From a unit that was basically Electo wizards to this..... well at least they look cool.

I see the French have now decided to compete with the Germans over who can take the worst photo.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pazuzu wrote:
Electropriest are 90 for 5. unit is 5-20 sized, more than we have seen they are zealot and have fnp
profil is 4/3/3/3/3/1/?

The fulgurite staff deal Instant death on a 6 to wound.

I bet that's the reason why GW thinks a T3 model on foot with no save to speak of is worth 18 points per model. Never mind the fact that the overwhelming majority of things in this game have 1 wound so that rule will almost never come into effect.

I thought I was joking when I said 15 points per model. Wow