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2015/01/13 12:11:26
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
AllSeeingSkink wrote: It was never really a problem that an independent wouldn't stock every single metal blister as they could just order the ones they need as customers wanted them. It would be silly for them to think they could. I started playing in the mid 90's and even back then my FLGS didn't carry the full range of metals, they just had a few token blisters here any there.
It would only really matter to huge independent stores that do enough business and have enough space to store them all.
The move to direct only was less a problem with stores wanting to maintain a huge stock of blisters but rather the move to direct only was accompanied by a massive reduction in the margin for independents.
Hasn't the margin always been a bit shy of 50%? Currently, a codex for CDN $59.50 has a trade price of $32.73 and a typical $60 box has a trade price of $27.50. I seem to recall margins about the same many years ago. If anything, higher prices mean more gross profit for independents (you make twice as much money on a $60 codex as a $30 codex, at the same margin). Ironically, in part, the dollar ticket amounts is what makes it possible for independents to offer bigger (percentage) discounts.
I don't think my stores have a problem stocking tons of blisters (just look at the PP area). The issue is that those blisters are so crazy expensive for most people that there's no turnover. And, really, a lot of the metal or ressin models aren't even that great anymore, compared with new models, making it even harder to justify the premium.
2015/01/13 12:14:11
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Talys wrote: you make twice as much money on a $60 codex as a $30 codex, at the same margin
Unless the aggregate customer sensitivity to price halves your demand, then you make the same margin, and in the case of network effect products, reduce your advertising.
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2015/01/13 16:46:05
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Hasn't the margin always been a bit shy of 50%? Currently, a codex for CDN $59.50 has a trade price of $32.73 and a typical $60 box has a trade price of $27.50. I seem to recall margins about the same many years ago. If anything, higher prices mean more gross profit for independents (you make twice as much money on a $60 codex as a $30 codex, at the same margin). Ironically, in part, the dollar ticket amounts is what makes it possible for independents to offer bigger (percentage) discounts.
No. The gross margin of a product, (the amount of money the company makes after it pays for the costs of the goods sold) varies by product. It can be around 50%, but that varies by product, industry and the like. What's more important is the net income. The company has to also pay all the overhead, like payroll for HR, leases for office space, financing costs on the money borrowed, and other costs not specifically associated with making that one book. A good company keeps less than a nickel out of every dollar. Google Finance put Walmart, one of the most profitable companies in the world, at 3.36% net income for last year.
It's almost an urban legend. They have done surveys and asked people what profit a company makes on each item sold and for decades it's been 50%. Just not true.
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2015/01/13 18:57:10
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
How about you just tell us so we don't have to listen to it?
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2015/01/13 19:04:58
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
How about you just tell us so we don't have to listen to it?
It's about Draigo allegeldy showing up on End Times.
Does Draigo show up in The Old World, gak all over the Chaos Gods' plan to wreck the place and HE'S the reason nobody can go out of their bubbles in the grim darkness of the near future?
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2015/01/13 19:09:09
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Draigo showed up already in a WHFB novel, didn't he?
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2015/01/13 19:09:40
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
How about you just tell us so we don't have to listen to it?
It's about Draigo allegeldy showing up on End Times.
Does Draigo show up in The Old World, gak all over the Chaos Gods' plan to wreck the place and HE'S the reason nobody can go out of their bubbles in the grim darkness of the near future?
No
There's an unnamed mysterious, heavily armoured figure. If Warhammer goes "Dimensional Marines" for a new faction, I'd guess this might be a foreshadowing of one.
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2015/01/13 19:10:05
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
How about you just tell us so we don't have to listen to it?
It's about Draigo allegeldy showing up on End Times.
Does Draigo show up in The Old World, gak all over the Chaos Gods' plan to wreck the place and HE'S the reason nobody can go out of their bubbles in the grim darkness of the near future?
No
There's an unnamed mysterious, heavily armoured figure. If Warhammer goes "Dimensional Marines" for a new faction, I'd guess this might be a foreshadowing of one.
So papa Draigo starts putting his gene-seed around and makes the fantasy-marines?
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2015/01/13 19:12:56
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Only if this "mysterious unnamed" guy really is Draigo.
Doubt it. He's more likely "Sigaigo the Super-Sigmaritarian Dimensional Marine" who'll headline some 120p "novella" (~ GBP 120,-) coming with WFB 9th Edition to introduce the new faction.
2015/01/13 19:18:25
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
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2015/01/13 19:20:15
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Draigo founds his own Knightly Order and infuses them with his gene-seed somehow (and that sounds downright perverse and disgusting, now that I think about it...) to make superhuman humans in WHFB.
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2015/01/13 19:34:31
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
WayneTheGame wrote: Draigo founds his own Knightly Order and infuses them with his gene-seed somehow (and that sounds downright perverse and disgusting, now that I think about it...) to make superhuman humans in WHFB.
I'm just excited about the possiblity of Russ himself showing up to refound the White Wolves of Wolfiness after Middenheim fallsand this time the wolf knights will ride giant wolves while wearing wolf capes and swinging hammers topped with bronzed baby wolvesthat will be released with the book End Times: Wolf Time.
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2015/01/13 19:59:36
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
WayneTheGame wrote: Draigo founds his own Knightly Order and infuses them with his gene-seed somehow (and that sounds downright perverse and disgusting, now that I think about it...) to make superhuman humans in WHFB.
I'm just excited about the possiblity of Russ himself showing up to refound the White Wolves of Wolfiness after Middenheim fallsand this time the wolf knights will ride giant wolves while wearing wolf capes and swinging hammers topped with bronzed baby wolvesthat will be released with the book End Times: Wolf Time.
I have to admit, an epic model of a naked and mad Russ fighting the good fight at the very end has always been on my wishlist. It would fit perfectly in this setting, right?
I'm wondering now if those armored figures that have appeared in the more recent WHFB lore are supposed to be the supposed Fantasy Marines, or if they're actually Space Marines from 40k. I'd really prefer the former over the latter, Space Marines make the point of the motivations in the Warhammer World relatively moot when bolters can just blow away most Fantasy armies. I'd seen the stuff about Draigo and was saddened to hear GW was going back to this idea of connection between the worlds, but perhaps it's just the Fantasy Marines.
Can anyone tell me in greater detail if it really does appear to be Draigo in the books, or does it just sound like Marines?
EDIT: Okay, I read the information in the 1d4chan about this (take that as you will). I agree with Lockark below, I think this lore could either be (a) Draigo, or (b) the first glimpse of these new Fantasy Marines, or (c) Sigmar himself.
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2015/01/13 20:10:33
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
pretre wrote: Draigo showed up already in a WHFB novel, didn't he?
Spoiler:
He showed up in Warhammer Khaine in the flavortext. He joined Araloth frolicking in Nurgle's Garden. Although he was not specifically named.
Spoiler:
Because of how vague the description was, it could of also been Sigmar in his dwarven armour. It would explain why a elf would describe his armour has looking "baroque" and since Sigmar is a Man who became a god he might just appear as a really powerful human well aiding Araloth in the garden of nurgle.
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2015/01/13 20:14:45
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
pretre wrote: Draigo showed up already in a WHFB novel, didn't he?
Spoiler:
He showed up in Warhammer Khaine in the flavortext. He joined Araloth frolicking in Nurgle's Garden. Although he was not specifically named.
Spoiler:
Because of how vague the description was, it could of also been Sigmar in his dwarven armour. It would explain why a elf would describe his armour has looking "baroque" and since Sigmar is a Man who became a god he might just appear as a really powerful human well aiding Araloth in the garden of nurgle.
From BOLS
Spoiler:
Araloth (the wood elf) ventured into the Realms of Chaos on a mission at one point and while there meets, and is aided by, a scholar, a sorcerer, and an unusually large knight in gleaming silver armor. He is described as speaking in a strange language and claims that he has made a name for himself within the Realms of Chaos. When he fights demons he can fling out his hand and have blue flame erupt amongst them (storm bolter with psy bolts?).
He distracts the demons long enough so that Araloth can complete his mission and on his way back out the elf sees the "knight" impaled upon a spear but still alive. He wants to save him but the scholar says that he will be fine and that the demons cannot ever truly kill him.
So it never says it's him... but it definitely sounds like Draigo to me. An overly large "knight" wandering the Realms of Chaos who is well known by its inhabitants? I think we just had out first 40k/Fantasy cross over in awhile. I think the writers thought they were being more subtle about it then they were...
Sure sounds like Draigo to me.
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2015/01/13 20:23:40
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
pretre wrote: Draigo showed up already in a WHFB novel, didn't he?
Spoiler:
He showed up in Warhammer Khaine in the flavortext. He joined Araloth frolicking in Nurgle's Garden. Although he was not specifically named.
Spoiler:
Because of how vague the description was, it could of also been Sigmar in his dwarven armour. It would explain why a elf would describe his armour has looking "baroque" and since Sigmar is a Man who became a god he might just appear as a really powerful human well aiding Araloth in the garden of nurgle.
Spoiler:
He is a giant of a man in silver armour who walks the Realm of Chaos fighting deamons. He can't be killed and with a sweep of his hand explosions rip some attacking deamons apart. That sounds a lot like a Gray Knight using psy-ammunition if you ask me.
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