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 Baragash wrote:
My reaction: Dr Doom again...*sigh*

Should have taken a leaf out of Batman Begins/Amazing Spiderman/Man of Steel and not rolled out the obvious/classic/same villain for the origin story as the last movies. That alone pretty much kills the idea of doing anything other than waiting for it to be on TV.

The issue is that the Fantastic 4 have all of 3 supporting characters that non-comic fans know(maybe 4 if you count Namor) and only one of them is actually a villain.

We have Annihilus, Doom, Galactus, Namor (like you mentioned), and...what, Mole Man? The Puppetmaster? Seriously, that's all I got. Galactus, of course, comes with his multiple heralds. I don't think they need individual recognition.

Honestly, their best bet would have been to go with Annihilus or Blaastar, one of the Negative Zone baddies. If they're supposed to be explorers, let them explore the new zone: let them find this tyrant and let them be the screw ups who show him all that the world has to offer, then save it from him!

Doom is a hacker? Lolwhut? Seriously...who actually greenlit this project? Just kill the movie and give it back to Marvel. If you don't support Fox studios being a bunch of asshats, please avoid it (at least until RedBox/Netflix) If it flops, Fox'll give up (like Daredevil) and it'll go back to Marvel.

I have a feeling that Marvel kept the rights to Annihilus just like they did the Inhumans. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him show up in a future Guardians movie, especially since the team they used in the movie premiered in the Annihilation event.


Also, Doom as a hacker kind of fits with Ultimate Doom's origins. Wonder if they're going with the Storms running a super genius school in this as well.

Fox can't use Namor as a villain; Universal has the rights to him.

I have no idea *why*, but they do.

 Ouze wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

See the only problem that the human torch being black is... What about his sister? She's white correct? Are they going to say he is adopted or that he was born from the same mother? !

If only someone had answered this question like right on this page.

I didn't see it mate

The only exciting thing in that entire trailer was seeing the reporter chick from house of cards. That's about it.

 Soladrin wrote:
The only exciting thing in that entire trailer was seeing the reporter chick from house of cards. That's about it.

She'll be invisible in the rest of the film so you won't be seeing much of her.

They've already announced a sequel. Wow.

 Baragash wrote:
My reaction: Dr Doom again...*sigh*

Should have taken a leaf out of Batman Begins/Amazing Spiderman/Man of Steel and not rolled out the obvious/classic/same villain for the origin story as the last movies. That alone pretty much kills the idea of doing anything other than waiting for it to be on TV.

There is no Dr. Doom.

Doom is one of the biggest if not the biggest villain in all of Marvel. I hope that one day someone makes a movie where that is apparent, cause this one sure as hell won't be it.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Seriously...who actually greenlit this project?

People more interested in keeping the rights from Marvel than actually making a FF movie.

squidhills wrote:
Fox can't use Namor as a villain; Universal has the rights to him.

Not quite. Namor's rights are... complicated. Suffice to say it, Marvel could do a movie about Namor if they wanted to, but it'd require a little wrangling.

@H's response to me: I realize that, but it still makes it as stupid as all feth. Fox should make a movie that will generate money, rather than lose money on a pile of crap to keep it from somebody else. I get that it's corporate policy and planning, but it's still stupid.

I like the Ultimate FF origin well enough, and seeing that used here is good.

But then Ultimate FF Doom is...not great.

And the Classic Dr. Doom is best...

Overall, I'm a bit more optimistic about this one now, having seen the trailer.

But H.B.M.C. is right - this is more about keep the rights than making a great movie, just like Sony and Spider-Man.

Maybe there isn't a great movie to make?

 Alpharius wrote:
But then Ultimate FF Doom is...not great.

I actually like the original version of Ultimate Doom(goat legs!) and his powers. I was disappointed when they later changed his design and abilities to just being 616 all over again. I was also disappointed when they did much the same to the Ultimates themselves in Volume 3.

But then, I'm one of the few who actually liked Ultimate-verse being similar but different.

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe there isn't a great movie to make?

There is. Its just called The Incredibles and it stole FF's thunder, in some folks opinions.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Doom is one of the biggest if not the biggest villain in all of Marvel. I hope that one day someone makes a movie where that is apparent, cause this one sure as hell won't be it.

Ideally, Marvel get the rights in time to have Doom be the Plot Arc for Avengers 5+. Since they opened with Thanos, and have already used Ultron,, Loki and the Red Skull, that leaves the following major players as I see it:

Norman Osborn (Sony have the rights)
Kang (possibly too complicated with time travel and all that)
Galactus (Fox have the rights)
Doom (Fox have the rights)
Mephisto (so far they have stayed away from interdimensionals)
Annihilus (Fox have the rights)


Of those, I reckon Doom would be the easiest to introduce and the most effective character to use, so hopefully they can sort something else after this movie self-destructs.

Yes that was an awesome movie wasn't it!!!

 Paradigm wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Doom is one of the biggest if not the biggest villain in all of Marvel. I hope that one day someone makes a movie where that is apparent, cause this one sure as hell won't be it.

Ideally, Marvel get the rights in time to have Doom be the Plot Arc for Avengers 5+. Since they opened with Thanos, and have already used Ultron,, Loki and the Red Skull, that leaves the following major players as I see it:

Norman Osborn (Sony have the rights)
Kang (possibly too complicated with time travel and all that)
Galactus (Fox have the rights)
Doom (Fox have the rights)
Mephisto (so far they have stayed away from interdimensionals)
Annihilus (Fox have the rights)


Of those, I reckon Doom would be the easiest to introduce and the most effective character to use, so hopefully they can sort something else after this movie self-destructs.

I seem to remember hearing about a Dr. Strange movie. Mephisto is probably there.

Cumberbach(sp) signed the contract to play Strange I believe.

Indeed. I do hope they go the full honest-to-goodness actual real magic route with Strange, rather than the tech-magic of Thor, in which case we might see Mephisto. My money is on Dormannu, though, with Mordo doing a reverse-Loki from sort-of-ally to outright enemy.

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe there isn't a great movie to make?

Whew!

Glad we got 'Frazz Complains about a Comic Book Movie" out of the way on page 2!

And lo a great "meh" rang out o'er the land.

If I thought they were going to have something to say about adoption I wouldn't care that Sue and Johnny Storm were adopted siblings. Instead I feel more like they made the choice based on wanting one black person in the group, but that two would have been to many, so that I am more annoyed by. That is strike one, I suppose.

Changing one of the baddest melon-fethers in the universe (Dr. Doom) into Victor Domashev, programmer and hactivist with the online name Doom, is strikes two through twenty one.

I'll have to hear from reliable sources that it isn't all that bad before even considering seeing this in the theater.

 Ahtman wrote:
I'll have to hear from reliable sources that it isn't all that bad before even considering seeing this in the theater.

There's really nothing that could convince me to see it in theaters. This is more of a "wait until Netflix".

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I'll have to hear from reliable sources that it isn't all that bad before even considering seeing this in the theater.

There's really nothing that could convince me to see it in theaters. This is more of a "wait until Netflix".

Then that's a weak maybe for me being there possibility of something better on Netflix

Probably not a bad idea.

And again, I'm not saying that this will be as bad as the 'legendary' Corman one, but I still think that this one is more about Studio Maneuvering and Rights Maintenance than...anything else?

Especially with that awful re-imagining of Doom.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I'll have to hear from reliable sources that it isn't all that bad before even considering seeing this in the theater.

There's really nothing that could convince me to see it in theaters. This is more of a "wait until Netflix".

Yeah, I should have said "theater or Netflix".


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 Alpharius wrote:
Especially with that awful re-imagining of Doom.

Honestly I am hoping they are just screwing with us and keeping the truth secret; I would be fine with a Ultimate's Dr. Doom even. I don't really mind the Four done as reimagined elementals either (Air, Water, Fire, and Earth), but I don't have a lot of hope really.

 Ahtman wrote:

Honestly I am hoping they are just screwing with us and keeping the truth secret; I would be fine with a Ultimate's Dr. Doom even. I don't really mind the Four done as reimagined elementals either (Air, Water, Fire, and Earth), but I don't have a lot of hope really.

Yes!

The Ultimate FF as 'elementals' was one of the best things for me - and the fact that it fit so well was...fantastic!

Almost like Stan meant it, just didn't realize it!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe there isn't a great movie to make?

Whew!

Glad we got 'Frazz Complains about a Comic Book Movie" out of the way on page 2!

Why the insult. They've tried two FF movies already. Why do you think there is a story here that makes it on the big screen?

Saying that though, Quicksilver has been in the X-men series AND now the Avengers series of movies.. So technically they could use Doom in the Avenger-verse too.

Because I know there are a lot of great FF stories already 'out there' and if done right, it would be...fantastic?

Who knows what this one will be like, but I don't think this trailer says anything definitive one way or another.

Going with the Ultimate FF origin is smart.

Rumored changes to Doom? Not so much.

But dismissing it already seems a bit...premature.