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2015/01/27 14:42:45
Subject: The Fantastic Four - The Movie Discussion
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Well, given the quality of the X-men films, we can be sure the production values are there. However, I must admit that the F4 have never really appealed to me, and really, all they are doing at the moment is stopping Dr Doom from being used in the MCU (which is annoying, because they need to top Thanos for Avengers 5+ somehow). I may get this when it hits DVD if the reviews are good, but I shan't be rushing out to see it.
It all hinges for me on how they do Doom, he's the only character in it that interests me.
Too much cocaine lying around the producer's office.
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Laemos wrote: Why so negative? It is better than Jessica alba version. I think having thing as black guy would make more sense than torch.
People already whined that having a black Thing is racist, despite him being the favorite FF member. The brother and sister should not be different races: make them the same damn race, I don't care which one! But this separate race bs is offensive, as it's basically saying "we need a black guy," and putting him in the worst character choice possible. Good job, idiots at Fox. Like Ghost Rider 2, I'll be avoiding this hunk of gak.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: The narration sounded like one from outer limits episodes
Also, why is the human torch black?
I don't care if he's black, my problem is why am I going to see how they became what they are AGAIN?!?! I mean the other movies are only a few years old.... why have another origin story? That was my biggest problem with the last Spider Man movie. Uhg.
hotsauceman1 wrote: The narration sounded like one from outer limits episodes
Also, why is the human torch black?
Kate Mara as Susan Storm is adopted by a black family, so the question she probably got her entire (fictional) life is, "why are you white?"
I've never really cared about the Fantastic Four and this trailer hasn't changed that. They kicked off Marvel Zombies and that was kind of cool until they beat it to death like a 9 minute long SNL skit but outside of that I truly cannot think of a single storyline I remember enjoying with the Fantastic Four. Maybe the FF vs X-men back in the day.
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Overly dark? Check.
Overblown gritty/Dark Knight-ish-ness that all the kids (apparently) love? Check.
Virtually no shots of the heroes doing anything with their powers? Check?
Inception BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHS throughout? Check.
The Ant-Man teaser was more lighthearted than this FFS. And the worst part? This was made just to stop Marvel from gettnig the rights back. So it looks dull and it's made for craven reasons.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Well, given the quality of the X-men films, we can be sure the production values are there. However, I must admit that the F4 have never really appealed to me, and really, all they are doing at the moment is stopping Dr Doom from being used in the MCU (which is annoying, because they need to top Thanos for Avengers 5+ somehow). I may get this when it hits DVD if the reviews are good, but I shan't be rushing out to see it.
It all hinges for me on how they do Doom, he's the only character in it that interests me.
I have Not heard good things about the portrayal of Doom in this movie.
So far I barely even see much in that trailer that proves it's about the Fantastic Four......
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Well, given the quality of the X-men films, we can be sure the production values are there. However, I must admit that the F4 have never really appealed to me, and really, all they are doing at the moment is stopping Dr Doom from being used in the MCU (which is annoying, because they need to top Thanos for Avengers 5+ somehow). I may get this when it hits DVD if the reviews are good, but I shan't be rushing out to see it.
It all hinges for me on how they do Doom, he's the only character in it that interests me.
I have Not heard good things about the portrayal of Doom in this movie.
Doom is a hacker. And he's not called Dr. Doom. He's "Victor Domashev", aka Doom when he's on the internet.
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curran12 wrote:Also, is it petty of me to say that just the "Fan4stic" thing makes the movie stupid and I'd not watch it because of it?
The comics have been using the Fant4stic banner for a fair while now, at least since the most recent volume started, though I will agree that it looks a bit silly.
timetowaste85 wrote:People already whined that having a black Thing is racist, despite him being the favorite FF member.
Got some evidence for either of those claims?
The brother and sister should not be different races: make them the same damn race, I don't care which one! But this separate race bs is offensive, as it's basically saying "we need a black guy," and putting him in the worst character choice possible.
It's actually almost funny how wrong you are. Michael B Jordan was rumoured to be the human torch for months before other casting occured, specifically due to him having worked with Josh Trank on Chronicle. It's not a case of going 'we need a black character' and choosing the worst person for the job, it's a case of the director going 'I know the best person for the job of Johnny Storm', and that person happened to be black. Having seen Chronicle, and having seen Michael B Jordan in it, I think he'll be able to play an excellent Johnny Storm.
For another thing, how is two siblings being a different race offensive? You do realise that adoption is a thing, right? It's been a thing for a while, like, at least five or so years.
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thedarkavenger wrote: Doom is a hacker. And he's not called Dr. Doom. He's "Victor Domashev", aka Doom when he's on the internet.
This is the bit that might ruin the film for me. To be fair, that information came from a 'leaked script' so it's suspect at best,straight from the horses mouth it would seem. but the portrayal of DOOOOOOOOM will be what makes or breaks this for me.
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I do, yeah: go look back at the last F4 thread we had. I'll wait. You and I argued in that one too. We see things differently in the matter, and neither of us will accept the other's point of view. But people on here were saying "oh, if you make the Thing be black, it'll be racist because he looks like a monster". I don't care if HT is black; provided Sue is as well. You might think this is completely natural and not at all odd, Goliath, but it feels forced to me. Again, I won't be able to change your mind, and I haven't agreed with about 90% of what you've had to say about any marvel movie. So we're just gonna have to let it go.
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Doom is a hacker. And he's not called Dr. Doom. He's "Victor Domashev", aka Doom when he's on the internet.
So basically, they've killed it... Great, I no longer need to worry about spending precious seconds of my life watching this film. My biggest issue (among many) of the old F4 films was how Doom was largely wasted, and this sounds like it will do the same.
I've been concerned about the way this version was going ever since it was mentioned it was going to take very little from the comics and be a more 'down to earth' super-hero film (whatever that means). But if they aren't even going to Doom properly, then concern over; hopefully, the film will bomb, and Marvel will get the rights back in time to do something good with it.
Directed by Josh Trank, who also did Chronicle. I'm not sure why they picked Jamie Bell for The Thing. Nowhere near big enough for Ben Grimm. Michael Chiklis played a pretty convincing Thing to be fair. Not sure about Dr Doom or Human Torch either.
I think they made him black (Torch) simply to cover their butts from the PC crowd.
Also- why are we going back to ANOTHER fething origins film again?
angelofvengeance wrote: Directed by Josh Trank, who also did Chronicle. I'm not sure why they picked Jamie Bell for The Thing. Nowhere near big enough for Ben Grimm. Michael Chiklis played a pretty convincing Thing to be fair. Not sure about Dr Doom or Human Torch either.
I think they made him black (Torch) simply to cover their butts from the PC crowd.
Also- why are we going back to ANOTHER fething origins film again?
See the only problem that the human torch being black is... What about his sister? She's white correct? Are they going to say he is adopted or that he was born from the same mother?
I mean I would of found it more interesting that the Dr. Fantastic was black and johnny still white. That would mean that the black guy is in a more favorable position, instead of the handsome looking jock, who barely knows anything. Its more telling of how stupidly handled this movie is going to be.
I personally think it is going to take a big stinker like super man returns!
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See the only problem that the human torch being black is... What about his sister? She's white correct? Are they going to say he is adopted or that he was born from the same mother? !
If only someone had answered this question like right on this page.
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Should have taken a leaf out of Batman Begins/Amazing Spiderman/Man of Steel and not rolled out the obvious/classic/same villain for the origin story as the last movies. That alone pretty much kills the idea of doing anything other than waiting for it to be on TV.
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