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Except for the fact that it's MK4, an armour mark not used overly by the IF and IW. MK4, however, is used a lot more by WB and UM.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I think the Battle of Phall seems more likely. If they were Wobbies there'd be a gak load of scripture-y bits on the models.

Not if they're just normal marines, you can paint/transfer them on. I mean we've seen the sprues and there's no iconography on the models at all, I'm not sure why there'd have to be scripture sculpted in for WBs if there isn't the Ultramarine symbol (or IW, or IF or whatever) on the ones we've seen. I'm guessing they'll be plain but painted on the box as UM and WB, and with transfers for them in the box. That way people who play any legion will be more inclined to buy it, not just people who play the legions on the box.

And don't forget they are supposedly being released after separately .so covering them with legion specific detail would reduce sale opportunities.they can allways make legion specific upgrade packs .

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I think the Battle of Phall seems more likely. If they were Wobbies there'd be a gak load of scripture-y bits on the models.

What sounds better as a title:

"The Battle of Phall" or "The Battle of Ultramar"?

Here's a hint: Not the first one.

Especially since the Battle of Phall takes place in its entirety as a voidbattle in interplanetary space, not much room for pushing the RoB-boards and terrainkits there!

Also, do you really think they could resist doing something with the Ultramarines Legion? Those guys where holed up in the galactic south-east for almost the entire Heresy and the big events there where Calth and the Shadow Crusade.

Wich featured a lot of planet-bound combatzones.

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:

Especially since the Battle of Phall takes place in its entirety as a voidbattle in interplanetary space, not much room for pushing the RoB-boards and terrainkits there!

Also, do you really think they could resist doing something with the Ultramarines Legion? Those guys where holed up in the galactic south-east for almost the entire Heresy and the big events there where Calth and the Shadow Crusade.

Wich featured a lot of planet-bound combatzones.

Fair point.

I will point out that a good portion of the Imperial Fists kits on FW are in Mk IV armor. The IF Command set and Phalanx Warders are in IV.

Regardless of what comes out, I am going to be buying as many Imperial Fists Mk IV Shoulder armies as required and making this kit into Crimson Fists. Love Mk IV. It will help me complete my Battle Company at that too.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I will point out that a good portion of the Imperial Fists kits on FW are in Mk IV armor. The IF Command set and Phalanx Warders are in IV.

Regardless of what comes out, I am going to be buying as many Imperial Fists Mk IV Shoulder armies as required and making this kit into Crimson Fists. Love Mk IV. It will help me complete my Battle Company at that too.

And there's a lot of examples of Iron Warriors in MkIV in Extermination too.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I will point out that a good portion of the Imperial Fists kits on FW are in Mk IV armor. The IF Command set and Phalanx Warders are in IV.

Regardless of what comes out, I am going to be buying as many Imperial Fists Mk IV Shoulder armies as required and making this kit into Crimson Fists. Love Mk IV. It will help me complete my Battle Company at that too.

And there's a lot of examples of Iron Warriors in MkIV in Extermination too.

So wouldn't that make IF and IW at least plausible, if not quite likely?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I will point out that a good portion of the Imperial Fists kits on FW are in Mk IV armor. The IF Command set and Phalanx Warders are in IV.

Regardless of what comes out, I am going to be buying as many Imperial Fists Mk IV Shoulder armies as required and making this kit into Crimson Fists. Love Mk IV. It will help me complete my Battle Company at that too.

And there's a lot of examples of Iron Warriors in MkIV in Extermination too.

So wouldn't that make IF and IW at least plausible, if not quite likely?

Not really.

If I'm GW, I'm making an HH game that includes their most iconic legion (Ultramarines) in a setting that allows for Fleet to Fleet Boarding Actions as well as ground based assaults for the modeling (dudes, tanks, dreadnoughts, fliers), terrain (Space corridors, caves/tunnels, city fight, etc), and potential expansion possibilities rather than two second-rate legions that duked it out in space Battle Fleet Gothic style and had few boarding actions (per the novelette The Crimson Fists).

And I say this as a big fan of Dorn and the Imperial Fists.

UM vs. WB is some good gak.

My only concern about the plastic HH stuff is the scale of the infantry. I'm guessing they'll be 40K-compatible, and those plastics are sized differently than the 30K resin minis. I'll probably end up having to stick with the resin. Plastic vehicles would be *great* though, and plastic infantry could work for second, adversary army.

This all assumes current gw writers have read the fluff of the Horus heresy :p knowing how the current fluff constantly is butchered we will probably get marneus calgar vs lorgar

But I thought Calgar is Roboute Guilliman? That or Alpharius...

 Kirasu wrote:
This all assumes current gw writers have read the fluff of the Horus heresy :p knowing how the current fluff constantly is butchered we will probably get marneus calgar vs lorgar

If GW ruins HH I will quit wargaming. There will be nothing left that interests me and that I have faith in.

 gorgon wrote:
UM vs. WB is some good gak.

My only concern about the plastic HH stuff is the scale of the infantry. I'm guessing they'll be 40K-compatible, and those plastics are sized differently than the 30K resin minis. I'll probably end up having to stick with the resin. Plastic vehicles would be *great* though, and plastic infantry could work for second, adversary army.

This is very true!

 Ashiraya wrote:
If GW ruins HH

LOL what would qualify?

 gorgon wrote:
UM vs. WB is some good gak.

My only concern about the plastic HH stuff is the scale of the infantry. I'm guessing they'll be 40K-compatible, and those plastics are sized differently than the 30K resin minis. I'll probably end up having to stick with the resin. Plastic vehicles would be *great* though, and plastic infantry could work for second, adversary army.

There's enough variation in Space Marine size mentioned in the models, I don't think it will matter that much. Just mix them in together and it should be fine.

 Manchu wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
If GW ruins HH

LOL what would qualify?

There are countless different things they could do. I dare not even speculate - I'd rather just go with hoping they don't.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
UM vs. WB is some good gak.

My only concern about the plastic HH stuff is the scale of the infantry. I'm guessing they'll be 40K-compatible, and those plastics are sized differently than the 30K resin minis. I'll probably end up having to stick with the resin. Plastic vehicles would be *great* though, and plastic infantry could work for second, adversary army.

There's enough variation in Space Marine size mentioned in the models, I don't think it will matter that much. Just mix them in together and it should be fine.

Nah, if they're scaled like the plastics, there'll be a noticeable difference. To me at least, which is enough. Plus the FW resin models are superior in sculpt quality anyway. But I still think this is all a really good thing.

 gorgon wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
UM vs. WB is some good gak.

My only concern about the plastic HH stuff is the scale of the infantry. I'm guessing they'll be 40K-compatible, and those plastics are sized differently than the 30K resin minis. I'll probably end up having to stick with the resin. Plastic vehicles would be *great* though, and plastic infantry could work for second, adversary army.

There's enough variation in Space Marine size mentioned in the models, I don't think it will matter that much. Just mix them in together and it should be fine.

Nah, if they're scaled like the plastics, there'll be a noticeable difference. To me at least, which is enough. Plus the FW resin models are superior in sculpt quality anyway. But I still think this is all a really good thing.

Yeah, fair enough.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
If GW ruins HH

LOL what would qualify?

There are countless different things they could do. I dare not even speculate - I'd rather just go with hoping they don't.

Well, never say never, but I doubt releasing plastic HH-era SM will ruin the HH. If anything, doing so will make the HH accessible in game form, which it currently really isn't, to folks who enjoy the era. As a setting for storytelling, HH has proven even more popular than 40k. Looking at that, and SM sales compared to non-SM sales, doing plastic Legions is just a no-brainer. It should also be a no-brainer to let Alan Bligh write whatever fluff is packed with them, but of course we won't know who wrote it in this era of work sans credit.

 Ashiraya wrote:
If GW ruins HH I will quit wargaming. There will be nothing left that interests me and that I have faith in.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/x-wing/

Come to us Sister.. Let us embrace you in the loving arms of "Adherence to Continuity" and the warm joy of "Reasonable Prices".

$15 for a tiny fighter is a bit much for material if not content, but yeah, it's one of my top games at the moment.

On-topic please!

on-topic???
OK

Space Marines, Space Marines, Space Marines!!!
this is the most excited i have been since waiting to see how the DV starter would turn out, and man was i impressed with those minis...
these look even better, because mkiv is my favorite, and the characters are not Dark Angels...

this has me even more excited than the new Vindicare and Eversor Assassins from the "Whole Mess of Ninjas" (credit to Kid Kyoto) game a few months ago did...
those two plastic Praetors teased on page 1 are so awesome...

still, there is just something more inspiring about the way FW resin shows detail...
i couldn't choose one material over the other, so it'll have to be both...

cheers
jah

 gorgon wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
UM vs. WB is some good gak.

My only concern about the plastic HH stuff is the scale of the infantry. I'm guessing they'll be 40K-compatible, and those plastics are sized differently than the 30K resin minis. I'll probably end up having to stick with the resin. Plastic vehicles would be *great* though, and plastic infantry could work for second, adversary army.

There's enough variation in Space Marine size mentioned in the models, I don't think it will matter that much. Just mix them in together and it should be fine.

Nah, if they're scaled like the plastics, there'll be a noticeable difference. To me at least, which is enough. Plus the FW resin models are superior in sculpt quality anyway. But I still think this is all a really good thing.

The scale of the Forge World resin Space Marines is the same as the plastic ones. They're just posed better; more often with their legs not as far apart, thus giving the illusion of extra height. The only exception has been a recent up-scale in some of the character models such as Autilon Skorr, Zardu Lyak, and Alexis Pollux, but this is likely just to signify their character status and make them look more impressive on the tabletop.

Here's a picture of one of the aforementioned "upscaled" Astartes next to a normal Marine model. He's getting a tiny bit of extra height because of the tack, but it's still a noticeable size difference:

Tiny? His legs are longer!!! The top of the plastic Marine's head only goes up to the start of the FW Marine's neck!!!

The head swap makes that guy so much better. The added size is cool too.

Holy crap they are HUGE! I had no idea. Are they all like this?

Dear God, those better-sized Space Marines might actually get me to collect a legion!