[KS] Toughest Girls in the Galaxy 2: Darkness and Light - Fulfillment updates

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**Firah**

I was a late backer through paypal (wish i'd waited a few months now), are they really not offering refunds on this? seems kind of shady of them.

Pretty much all the models I wanted when I backed have been shown now except the not-repentia, and I don't exactly have high hopes for them as there artwork there wasn't hopeful to begin with.

Currently looking at $175 for the dark elf with the pet dragon, good times.

**Jehan-reznor**

I plegded for the huge demon, and some sisters of battle stuff.

Not understanding the critique RH is doing RH stuff.

BrookM i don't mind your critique as long as it does not offend other wise

On the kingdom Death stuff, the normal survivors are very "realistic" while it is the pinups that go 2000% cheesecake.

**Buzzsaw**

Firah wrote:
I was a late backer through paypal (wish i'd waited a few months now), are they really not offering refunds on this? seems kind of shady of them.

Pretty much all the models I wanted when I backed have been shown now except the not-repentia, and I don't exactly have high hopes for them as there artwork there wasn't hopeful to begin with.

Currently looking at $175 for the dark elf with the pet dragon, good times.

At first I hadn't noticed you mentioning Paypal; if you're really not interested in much else, you may want to get in contact with Paypal sooner rather then later, as Paypal will not offer "Purchase Protection" on "Payments on crowdfunding platforms" starting June 25, 2016. You probably knew, but I didn't want that to come as an unpleasant surprise.

Baseless speculation time (Warning!)

There have been some things recently that make me wonder what is going on with RH: including, but not limited to, the appearance of near constant sales or promotions of one type or another. The most recent one is the free shipping on any order (if you're curious, it's free shipping on any order, just use discount code RHFreeShipMay when you check out). The thing is, that promotion was originally a 3 day affair, now it seems to be open ended.

This all just brings me back to something I was baselessly speculating about a few pages back: how many of their backers are actually pissed enough to be contacting their payment providers right now and forcing a refund? My impression is that the Sisters line was one of their most popular (although since the PM hasn't gone through, no idea where that stat comes from), and SoB players are... I'm going to say, exacting. Which may put their answer about refunds;

Saga Wälivaara about 1 hour ago
My request to be refunded was denied and I was left with this.
"However, our Financial Department suggests that we wait until all our sculpts are finished, in order to see if some miniatures can meet your expectations. If not, then they will be discussing the refund at this time."
Just have to wait it out then.

in a slightly different light. Should it be read as somewhat less of a 'screw you', and more of a 'please wait, please... Maybe you'll be happy with something coming?' Think of it this way: there are 6 armies, and about 3k backers. Assume that we can group fantasy and sci-fi Sister backers together then that's 1000 people, give or take, and that's around a quarter of a million in backing funds.

How much of that could RH possibly be able to refund without serious damage to their ability to conduct business? How much could they possible have in liquid assets? Remember, at $250 (about), every four (4) people that demand a refund is $1000.

Let's imagine it's 10%, not of the whole campaign, but just of the thousand Sister backers that are pissed. That's 100 people, just 1/30th of the entire campaign... but that's $25,000+ in refunds. And that's just 1 in 10 of the Sisters backers.

Just a thought.

**Firah**

How much of that could RH possibly be able to refund without serious damage to their ability to conduct business? How much could they possible have in liquid assets? Remember, at $250 (about), every four (4) people that demand a refund is $1000.

Let's imagine it's 10%, not of the whole campaign, but just of the thousand Sister backers that are pissed. That's 100 people, just 1/30th of the entire campaign... but that's $25,000+ in refunds. And that's just 1 in 10 of the Sisters backers.

Just a thought.

Hopefully enough that they change their minds on the whole fetish gear thing. Doubt it though the guy in charge seems to have one hell of an ego on him.

**BrookM**

Once a target has been acquired, it will not be let go so easily.

Which makes a future Kickstarter where they promote and sell their own set of rules all the more interesting to follow when it happens.

**Mathieu Raymond**

But not for more than a dollar.

**Buzzsaw**

BrookM wrote:
Once a target has been acquired, it will not be let go so easily.

Which makes a future Kickstarter where they promote and sell their own set of rules all the more interesting to follow when it happens.

It's rather fascinating: at the end of the first campaign, they were very, very keen to note that they were using the influx of funds to develope... quite a lot, really;

What's next...

As we told you on the KS video, the possibility of a great result on our Kickstarter would open up new opportunities for you and us. And so it has! Many improvements have now become possible. And we already have some wicked plans for not just one, but two games!

One will be a mass combat rule system, and the other one will be a board game with a unique, very cool and fun setting.
The board game had been in the back of our mind for over two years. We've already laid out many of its concepts, but we did not have the resources to develop it fully before. This has now become possible and we can't wait to tell you more about it.
The new resources generated by the TGG Kickstarter will also allow us to make these games and their background available to you in a very new, innovative form that will truly enrich the gaming experience.

That message was posted July 13, 2013. May 9th (of this year, that is), I see that they are instead using the following line in their advertisements (emphasis in original);

Offer ends in 48 hours, so treat yourself now!!!
There's never been a better time to sample
the best proxies in the world for wargaming!

Not only have they seemingly abandoned their much touted independent rules system, it's worth remembering they still have not delivered one of the simplest pieces from the first campaign: the digital art book.

**Alpharius**

I went in for the terminator Proxies on this one.

It really is going to be a long, long time here, isn't it?

**RivenSkull**

Alpharius wrote:
I went in for the terminator Proxies on this one.

It really is going to be a long, long time here, isn't it?

Yes.

And you can ask any woman, waiting in heels is not fun.

**BrookM**

Buzzsaw wrote:
Not only have they seemingly abandoned their much touted independent rules system, it's worth remembering they still have not delivered one of the simplest pieces from the first campaign: the digital art book.

Not jumping to their defence, but that book won't happen until they have each and every model of the first KS all painted up, which is still an ongoing process, as models will only appear in their on-line store either unpainted as part of their bundles, or all painted up as separate products.

**Buzzsaw**

BrookM wrote:
Buzzsaw wrote:
Not only have they seemingly abandoned their much touted independent rules system, it's worth remembering they still have not delivered one of the simplest pieces from the first campaign: the digital art book.
Not jumping to their defence, but that book won't happen until they have each and every model of the first KS all painted up, which is still an ongoing process, as models will only appear in their on-line store either unpainted as part of their bundles, or all painted up as separate products.

That's fair enough, except... why? I haven't looked up exactly how they promoted the digital art book at the time, but I (at least) have no interest in the painted pictures. Not to be mean, but their studio painter isn't exactly Angel from CB (of course, who is?). But in a way, this is a good example of what you mentioned before comparing them to Poots at Kingdom Death;

In both cases, the influx of Kickstarter money allowed an 'unfettered' artistic exploration. What I find is that when you compare them, Poots (by and large) went in the right direction with his flights of fancy, while RH largely has not.

I don't want the off-palette painted minis in the art book, I want their great line art from the campaign. Instead, we're going to wait... well, continue to wait, as we're now 3 years post funding.

**BrookM**

I think the only proper answer to this is.. You don't know what you want, they do.

**Mathieu Raymond**

I love the size of Buzzsaw's cojones, and yet his utmost etiquette distilled in this simple comment: off-palette painted minis.

The digital artbook was supposed to be about the line drawings, and the concept art. They're just hoping people stop asking about it.

Alpharius: They already have printed a sample low-res copy of a not-terminator, so I'm guessing there is some sort of progress on that front? Honestly, it looks more like the Hannah alternate sculpt from the TtB Kickstarter, which Buzzsaw also did a Post-Mortem of... are they secret fans, Buzz?

**RoninXiC**

Yeah, I don't really have much interested in the (painted) minis.. All i wanted is some nice sketches/drawings...

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I was also mainly interested in the sketches in the art book,

but Raging Heroes were always pretty keen to get painted minis in it too, so I don't think there's been any change there

not that it's going to be any time soon

**Boss Salvage**

For those few titillated holdouts, the scuttle is that late pledges will end very soon. Like this week and/or imminently. I finally caved in last night, after months of resisting the Lust Elves and their gribbly mounts

Somewhat ironically, I basically paid for my pledge using money from selling previous kickstarter hauls

- Salvage

**Mathieu Raymond**

It's been ending very soon for months now. They,re not about to say no to money.

**Boss Salvage**

In all honesty I thought the same thing when I was told that. But figured it might be on the level, as it's been open forever

- Salvage

**Buzzsaw**

That's one of the reasons I can't quite disabuse myself of the notion that there is trouble behind the scenes; perhaps I am forgetting them allow pledges on TG1 for ages, but they are still advertising the free anywhere shipping shipping on any order.

Which is interesting, given that it was originally proposed as a 3 day event... on May 9th (closing on May 11th). I jsut got something from them claiming it will end 'tomorrow'.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I love the size of Buzzsaw's cojones, and yet his utmost etiquette distilled in this simple comment: off-palette painted minis.

The digital artbook was supposed to be about the line drawings, and the concept art. They're just hoping people stop asking about it.

Alpharius: They already have printed a sample low-res copy of a not-terminator, so I'm guessing there is some sort of progress on that front? Honestly, it looks more like the Hannah alternate sculpt from the TtB Kickstarter, which Buzzsaw also did a Post-Mortem of... are they secret fans, Buzz?

Well, you never know, perhaps (along with the high heels) that's what they are into...

**BrookM**

Pure speculation on my end, but I think for them it's cheaper to give free shipping than it is to give a percentage off (10% or whatever) on the entire range. Shipping has always been dirt cheap with them to begin with, but you'll still pay the boutique prices for the mini's.

**Mathieu Raymond**

The shipping on such light packages must not be too burdensome, and maybe they get a rebate on volume, like Canada Post is keen on giving my business (ain't no way I'm shipping glass. Ever)

**BrookM**

May as well give it a try here: Are there any veterans of the first Kickstarter or general buyers of the Doctor von X model who have not used the small robotic arm with the teacup and are willing to part with it?

I need one for a conversion and I can't for the life of me find the one I had set aside.

**RoninXiC**

Sorry.... needed that for myself.

**BrookM**

No worries, going to give it one more week, then I'll order a new one and add in some choice bits to turn her into a Surgeon-Primus proper.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Update #45 ℹ

May 27 2016

{/quote]Update #45 – Troops Coming Next + Pledge Manager News + Shipping Begins in June

Saw this on one of the sculptors' screen and fell in love with her...

We have been working like crazy this month, creating more troops than we ever did. The working rhythm is so intense that at one point, someone raised his head from the computer and said “hey guys, I think we forgot to make an update”. There was a general “oops!” in the room... and so here are some news to keep you posted.

When we work on the sculpts, it's hard to move into “render mode” as it breaks everybody' rhythm, which is why you haven't seen images these last four weeks. But now we are very close to the end, so some of us can start on the renders and we are currently preparing the images to share with you.

Here's what's in the Image Render Queue. Please note that as we proceed to render, we occasionally find problems which force us to remove a sculpt from the render queue and rework it, so while this list is pretty definitive, there can always be last-minute changes:
•10 Davidians – Sci-Fi Sisters (Troops and Command Group)
•10 Blade Maidens – Fantasy Sisters (Troops and Command Group)
•5 remaining Death Dancers – Fantasy Lust Elves
•10 Blood Vestals – Fantasy Dark Elves (Troops and Command Group)
•10 Blood Vestals – Sci-Fi Void Elves (Troops and Command Group)
•6 Vestal Riders – Fantasy Dark Elves
•10 Skinners – Sci-Fi Lust Elves (Troops and Command Group)
•10 Flesh Eaters – Fantasy Lust Elves (Troops and Command Group)
•6/10 Knights of the Chalice – Sci-Fi Sisters (Troops and Command Group)
•6 Mounted Knights – Fantasy Sisters (Troops and Command Group)
•6 Worm Riders – Fantasy Lust Elves (Troops and Command Group) : Command Group got unlocked this week!!!

There is also
•The huge Avatar of Shaah – Sci-Fi/Fantasy Lust Elves

And these Heroines:
•Senshyrha, Slave Master – Fantasy Lust Elves
•Senshyrha, Slave Master – Sci-Fi Lust Elves
•Yscarloth, The Harvester of Flesh – Fantasy Lust Elves
•Yscarloth, The Harvester of Flesh – Sci-Fi Lust Elves

And finally, listed below are the models that we are currently working on. We are not sure when they will be finished, but we plan to have at least a few models of each troops to feature in the Pledge Manager, to help you to make your Rewards Selection:
•Centaur Heroine – Fantasy Lust Elves
•Centaur Heroine – Sci-Fi Lust Elves
•Ascended Sister Erzebel, Great Seraphim – Fantasy/SciFi Sisters
•10 Hunters – Sci-Fi Void Elves (Troops and Command Group)
•10 Long Swords – Fantasy Dark Elves (Troops and Command Group)
•10 Executrix – Sci-Fi Dark Elves (Troops and Command Group)
•10 Harpies – Fantasy Dark Elves (Troops and Command Group)

Pledge Manager

The Pledge Manager is being compiled right now. It will be open within the next 2 weeks, possibly before. Keep reading for info on shipping costs and first shipments.

Shipping Costs

My key problem has been with the shipping costs. I wanted to manage them differently from our TGG1 Kickstarter, but no supplier is able give me what I want. We've worked with many e-commerce solutions and suppliers, some even specialised in Kickstarter Rewards. But none has been able to come up with a solution that would allow the functionalities we need, given the fact that our production is spread out over time, that no two Rewards Selection are alike, and that we want to ship out Rewards as soon as they are produced, so that your wait is as short as possible.

And so, I've had to go back to the system we used for our last Kickstarter, that is, flat-rate shipping and a 2-week window for completing the Pledge Manager. We may be able to re-open the Pledge Manager later so that you can add to your pledge while the production is moving forward. More on this later.

2 Shipments for the Price of 1 !

As before, shipping costs will be collected upfront. Once they are paid, you will have access to the Pledge Manager.

So this means that we have to get back to our previous shipping method, which we used on TGG1. The price of the shipping will cover shipping, handling, and packaging and it will be along the lines of what we had back in 2013, that is, between $22 and $28. But this will cover 2 shipments as we are offering you one shipment for free!

Kickstarter Shipments will begin in June!

The first shipments will be made in the month of June and will include ALL the Freebies + all the minis that have already been produced by the foundry and are in stock at this time.

The next shipment will be made when the rest of your rewards are ready to ship. There will also be an option to buy additional shipments if you want to.

I am preparing a detailed listing on this. In fact, the listing should show
•what's still being sculpted
•what's in the production queue
•what's in stock and ready to ship.

This way, you'll know what's happening now that we are nearing the end of our sculpting work. I shall put this document online and update it regularly. More on this soon...

And stay tuned for tons of images and new sculpts coming your way next week

Questions?

If you have questions, please contact us directly, either via the Kickstarter private message system, or via e-mail at RagingHeroesTeam@gmail.com, or via the Live Chat box on www.ragingheroes.com. We strive to answer within 24 hours (except on week-ends).

**Boss Salvage**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
•6 Worm Riders – Fantasy Lust Elves (Troops and Command Group) : Command Group got unlocked this week!!!

YESSSSSSSSSSS I was so hoping the command group would unlock. Also my hobby budget is sooooo fakked, especially once I give in to the Avatar

- Salvage

**Alpharius**

Shipping beginning on...what exactly...soon?

I know that list is coming...soon, but that should probably be announced first, before this stuff.

I skipped out on the first TGG for...lots of reasons.

I was tempted back in by the not-Terminators here. So, when will they be available exactly?

And I'll be paying between $22 - $28 to get them shipped to me?

I'm really starting to wish I'd skipped this one too...

...I should have canceled once this one grew to ridiculous proportions - good and evil humans and elves for fantasy and SF!

**Boss Salvage**

Alpharius wrote:
once this one grew to ridiculous proportions - good and evil humans and elves for fantasy and SF!

Yes, it would have made more sense to do a Humans (sci fi / fantasy) campaign, then an Elves (x3, sci fi / fantasy) campaign rather than smash them all together and drag all 8? lines out for years, though I guess I can thank the human supporters for some of the weirder lust elves stuff I'm interested in

BUT I'm in no rush, am sure I'll find some extant game system to use all these naked chicks and their gribbly beasts in when they finally arrive

- Salvage

**zedmeister**

Just noticed the OP

**highlord tamburlaine**

The Avatar will be the death of my pledge.

I have absolutely no use for any of the models, but gawdamn are they sure purdy.

Probably going to end up with mostly fantasy sisters, a few void elf heroines, and a fair pile of lust elves.