[KS] Toughest Girls in the Galaxy 2: Darkness and Light - Fulfillment updates

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**slk28850**

I've already been using Blood Vestals both sci-fi and fantasy for counts as Wyches for my Dark Eldar. I will continue to do this. I actually have a problem. I like Wyches. I have since 3rd ed when they were good. I already have more Wyches then I can field in a 2000pt tournament. I can't help myself. If I see a model that would make a good counts as Wyche I get them or convert them. These will do nicely to add variety to the poses and sculpts that I have already. I'll probably get the Dividians and use them as Wyches also.

The Dark Elf/Lust Elf side of this campaign is going to flesh out my Dark Eldar, Dark Elf and Warriors of Chaos/Demon armies. I think I'm doing all right here. I may be in the minority, at least on the forums, but all of the models I was interested in during the KS still look great to me after seeing the renders.

**RoninXiC**

I really don't see the problem with the super high intense posing. You knew you were going to get exactly this. The dancers are 100% exactly the same as the art work.
That really cannot be a point of criticism.

I do like the fact that the poses are super extreme for units like these.

Look at the sword maidens.. they are not so super extreme atall. They are rather tame when it comes to theirposes, are they not?

**rayphoton**

Ronin...they don't care. This thread was not made to be supportive of RH designs, their process or their company. This thread exists to find every real and imagined flaw and point them out.

Just like the last thread.

Your a good man for holding the line though.

**BrookM**

To quote myself from earlier:

BrookM wrote:
I will say this though, as shocking as it may sound to some of the veterans of the first rodeo: I still want them to succeed. I really, honestly do. I like quite a few of their models. If I like a model enough that I missed out on during the KS, I will gladly buy it from their own store instead.

However, just because I want something to succeed does not mean that I'm going to keep my gob shut and not point out what bothers me about something like some people show with some companies out there.

So yes, I really don't care eh?

**RoninXiC**

I mean I flamed RH when the first campagne became a gak fest and they well deserved it! But some forme of criticism is just sad.

**rayphoton**

BrookM wrote:
To quote myself from earlier:

BrookM wrote:
I will say this though, as shocking as it may sound to some of the veterans of the first rodeo: I still want them to succeed. I really, honestly do. I like quite a few of their models. If I like a model enough that I missed out on during the KS, I will gladly buy it from their own store instead.

However, just because I want something to succeed does not mean that I'm going to keep my gob shut and not point out what bothers me about something like some people show with some companies out there.

So yes, I really don't care eh?

C'mon.Brook... You have to admit that there are people who exist on this thread whose sole purpose to be here is tell everyone about how much RH sucks. Obviously of course not everyone. But Ronins attempt to sway the masses with his observations is destined to be lawnmowered over by the majority who ...seem...to really want this company to fail. I wouldn't be surprised to see the black lips gif appear here again shortly.

The amount of posts about how much they suck vs the amount of post about how much people like what they see is incredibly lopsided. And not every response is well thought out or constructive. The vitriol here is not like in the past tgg thread but its still kinda here.

However..point made...you are excluded from my broad definition of "they"

**RoninXiC**

Well, the black lips gif still is all what RH id about and how and why this thread is so much fun.

**aku-chan**

I certainly wouldn't want them to fail, they make nice minis!

I have been disappointed by this Kickstarter though, as (IMO) the renders for a lot of the troop type minis haven't been as good as their original concept art.
So if/when they do a 3rd one, I'll wait for retail so I can have a good look at the final minis before handing any money over.

On a brighter note, I really like how the Blade Maidens have come out, going to get a set of them instead of both sets of Death Dancers

**Alpharius**

Buzzsaw wrote:
It's really exactly as BrookM described it: they aren't making troops at all, they're simply making different levels of characters, with the 'troops' being characters and the named characters being... just more over the top characters.

The great irony is that instead of being a good source for making an alternate SoB armies, RH is now a great source for SoB heroes and unit leaders... but in desperate need for a different (less insane) company to make the actual troops for the armies.

Yes, exactly!

I think BrookM warned us of this a while back - or maybe it was in the other thread, RH TGG1?

Basically - don't buy multiple boxes of the same units to use as troops - they really won't look good at all, together on the table.

**BrookM**

The mini's will look good, but you'll be stuck with a lot of the models looking the same. The dynamic poses (and lack of more mundane parts!) work against them in this case. If you're just building a squad for say, Kill-team or Combat Patrol, it will look neat and catch the eye for sure with the poses, over-abundance of special arms and whatnot. Building an entire army out of this though.. Hell, building a twenty strong squad was in itself a challenge!

Looking at the lust elves, the poses are neat and full of motion, they really are, but when you're building an army with multiple squads or a regiment of them, models like the one standing on her hair, or doing a hand stand are going to stand out when multiples are used. Sure, they are multi-part and you can swap parts, but still.. It is going to be noticeable that there are duplicates in the army. As mentioned before, the more extreme poses would be well served for unit champions / leaders and the like, leaving the rank and mass more mundane and less eye-catching.

However, that's just my opinion after all.

Though funny enough, going over the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy range.. troops are almost all dynamically posed, full of special snowflake options and whatnot, whereas a lot of the character blisters are for the most part quite static and more subdued in their presentation.

**zedmeister**

rayphoton wrote:
Ronin...they don't care. This thread was not made to be supportive of RH designs, their process or their company. This thread exists to find every real and imagined flaw and point them out.

Just like the last thread.

Your a good man for holding the line though.

Don't talk such rot. I haven't seen anyone hoping for the demise or wanting them to fail. There's been plenty of criticism, snark and prickiing of the bubble of pretension. There's plenty to like here, but some of the poses are just ridiculous and there not enough basic rank and file to make an army out of them.

**Buzzsaw**

One of the best examples of what Alph and Brook are talking about comes from the last KS (which was actually better about this then the current campaign);

Spoiler:

Check out the tactical rock the second from the left is standing on in the group shot. As a hero or a single example, fine, whatever (honestly never a fan of the tactical rock, frankly). As a feature of every command for an army? Is the rock actually a standard issue?

Looking at the troop models from the first campaign to now, perhaps I'm missing some very clever points of articulation, but my impression is that the possibility of the models has dramatically decreased. The current crop is far more posed, and thus far less amenable to repetition.

**RoninXiC**

The Rock is the Problem? Like that is an example that makes you go angry? That tiny little rock?

**BrookM**

Huh, another thing just came to mind as an observation: will it be possible to rank up the fantasy models of this KS, or are they too busy and "big" for their bases? I know Age of Sigmar did away with block shoving, but other fantasy rulesets still use ranked regiments as a gameplay mechanic.

**Buzzsaw**

RoninXiC wrote:
The Rock is the Problem? Like that is an example that makes you go angry? That tiny little rock?

Spoiler:

Just kidding: my point (which seems self-evident) is that the more dynamic a pose, the closer the resulting figures are to being functionally monopose.

Serious question for you, would you rather have the troop models for your army be more monopose or less? Brook has quite convincingly pointed out that the dynamic poses make army building a problem. It's an interesting tension that RH seems to have very poorly understood, between restraint and expression. They simply don't seem to understand the utility of the mundane.

I posted about this before though.

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BrookM wrote:
Huh, another thing just came to mind as an observation: will it be possible to rank up the fantasy models of this KS, or are they too busy and "big" for their bases? I know Age of Sigmar did away with block shoving, but other fantasy rulesets still use ranked regiments as a gameplay mechanic.

I was thinking about that myself: doesn't 9th Age* use blocks?

Like so many things, that seems to be... hmm, a practicality that they turn their noses up at.

*That's the successor to WHFB, right?

**VicVox**

It really depends on what you want out of this. I am excited to paint up rather cool looking minis, and I may even be able to use some of the heroes or monsters as proxies in KoW or (reaching a bit far) frostgrave. Hence, the more extreme the posing, the better for me. I never went into this thinking "these will be my proxies for grunt mundane units in big blocks". (Also, at least partially, as I am too cheap to by RH priced troops for mundane units)

The troops have little use to me but my girlfriend loves the Death Dancer lust elves and hence forces me to get both packs of those

**Buzzsaw**

VicVox wrote:
It really depends on what you want out of this. I am excited to paint up rather cool looking minis, and I may even be able to use some of the heroes or monsters as proxies in KoW or (reaching a bit far) frostgrave. Hence, the more extreme the posing, the better for me. I never went into this thinking "these will be my proxies for grunt mundane units in big blocks". (Also, at least partially, as I am too cheap to by RH priced troops for mundane units)

The troops have little use to me but my girlfriend loves the Death Dancer lust elves and hence forces me to get both packs of those

That's a fine point, and one I (and Brook as well?) don't take issue with: the individual figures are fine. Personally I could see using any of the troops as second tier characters (generic characters).

What makes it weird is that in recent promos RH has been pushing their brand as makers of "proxies" specifically.

**Boss Salvage**

BrookM wrote:I know Age of Sigmar did away with block shoving, but other fantasy rulesets still use ranked regiments as a gameplay mechanic.

I'm actually using my Lust Elves for Kings of War, except with the intent of using regiment-basing so individual bases aren't a thing

Jimsolo wrote:The Death Dancers look awful. I can't even think of a constructive way to put that.

Personally I find the designs rather impressive, and really quite thematically strong for sinuous elf chicks that kill while dancing - and I'm all about the asymmetric multiple arms

Unfortunately the very dynamism of the designs is a turn off for me as well, from a very functional standpoint. Like some have said, I couldn't really do beyond 10-15 of these chicks in an army (command + 2x basic maybe), because they're so unique. But I also really don't want to clean and build such crazy sculpts. Those multiple arms are awesome ... but cleaning and attaching them won't be

(Unfortunately now I find myself thinking of KOW units that could use 10-15 Dancers to fill out

)

- Salvage

**Alpharius**

Buzzsaw wrote:

What makes it weird is that in recent promos RH has been pushing their brand as makers of "proxies" specifically.

Exactly!

The whole 'proxies for your armies' thing feels like a more recent push from them?

And as it stands, these latest renders make it seem like they'll be excellent 'proxies for characters' and not so much 'proxies for troops'.

**Boss Salvage**

Alpharius wrote:
The whole 'proxies for your armies' thing feels like a more recent push from them?

Were they not developing some kind of 'infinitely expandable' skirmish game in house? Or am I thinking of Titan Forge? (Or predicting similar from Puppets War?)

- Salvage

**BrookM**

With regards to them stating they're a proxy company now and their own set of rules:

Yeah, the proxy thing was pushed to the fore not that long ago, which probably means that their own game(s) and fleshing out of their respective backgrounds is still quite some time off.

Plus, let's be fair here, most of the people pledged on this one or the previous one for the most part just to use the models as proxies for various different system projects.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Update #50 – (May not be SFW): Knights of the Chalice (Sisters - SF) + Vestal Riders (Dark Elves - F) + Flesh Eaters (Lust Elves - F)

Warning: Naked Elves images below!

The Pledge Manager is not yet opened, but normally, it will be open within the next 5 days! We will first collect your Shipping Fee, and then pass you along to the Pledge Manager. More details in upcoming Updates.

Many more images again for this Update:
•27 images for the Knights of the Chalice
•26 images for the Vestal Riders
•24 images for the Flesh Eaters

Check them all out, and do let us know which one is your favourite!

Quick note: When we reviewed this update before publishing it, Nightwish's Ghost Love Score was playing in the background. Well, it does makes a rather fitting epic soundtrack for a rather epic update, so if you want to share the same experience, click on the link to hear it while you view the images

Knights of the Chalice (Sisters - SF)

This unit has 5 Knights in the Command Group and 5 more in the Troops box. We have now finished 6 our of those 10, and did not want to keep you waiting any longer, so here they are. The remaining 4 will soon be finalised.

Vestal Riders: Troops and Command Group (Dark Elves - F)

Flesh Eaters: Troops and Command Group (Lust Elves - F)

We still got more Troops to share with you, so continue to stay tuned, another Update is on its way soon!

And don't forget: do contact us directly if you have any questions.

**RivenSkull**

zedmeister wrote:
rayphoton wrote:
Ronin...they don't care. This thread was not made to be supportive of RH designs, their process or their company. This thread exists to find every real and imagined flaw and point them out.

Just like the last thread.

Your a good man for holding the line though.

Don't talk such rot. I haven't seen anyone hoping for the demise or wanting them to fail. There's been plenty of criticism, snark and prickiing of the bubble of pretension. There's plenty to like here, but some of the poses are just ridiculous and there not enough basic rank and file to make an army out of them.

Yeah. It's not that I want them to fail. I'm pretty satisfied with the majority of the way many of the models have been sculpted - from the ankle up.

You, and RH, can double down on on the idea that they are designing the miniatures based on their vision and process, but that doesn't mean people can't look at the results and say that they think design aspects are bad. In the same regard, I've had arguments with people saying that it's unfair to criticize the Star Wars prequals because they were Lucas's vision and how he wanted to make the movies.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I've liked a lot of the elves but wasn't going to get any, but those flesh eaters seem cool

(although not as nippley as most of the rest, aesthetic choice or a consequence of eating too much flesh? you decide)

and hopefully the knights of the chalice look sufficiently terminator-esque to please whoever was wondering about them a page or two back, although I wish the size comparison shot could be expanded as the heads seem larger than the normal ones (but surely they can't be, can they?)

**Dark Severance**

I would like to see the Knights next to other miniatures in the render. It is hard to get a feel for the size. Currently by themselves the waist looks really small, compared to the unarmored miniatures... but that could be side by side, the size looks different.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Happy with the Flesh Eaters. Hope the scifi versions are comparable, or even better, able to share parts between the two.

Plus the poses aren't way over the top. Mixing and matching between both versions should net you a pretty interesting looking group.

Plus the SF versions were supposed to have bonus parts unlocked, if they remember...

**Jimsolo**

The Wrack renders from today are amazing.

**RivenSkull**

Dark Severance wrote:
I would like to see the Knights next to other miniatures in the render. It is hard to get a feel for the size. Currently by themselves the waist looks really small, compared to the unarmored miniatures... but that could be side by side, the size looks different.

That's what I noticed right away too.

This looks pretty narrow:

Reminds me if the exact same criticisms when Prodos first showed the fully armored Not-Sister Not-Terminators from the Space Crusade thread.

It might be the models not being seen next to other, smaller ones, but even here they look pretty narrow at the waist.

Aside from that, I'm not the biggest fan of the oversized pauldrons, and feel that they could be 10%-20% smaller. But that's a personal preference. Other than those two things, they do look great. It makes me really wish there were fantasy armored Sisters without heels.

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Liking the Flesh eaters overall for the most part as well. Not as much a fan of the excessive tits (not a fan of the overall style - prefer armor), but those really capture the disturbing and brutal look I enjoy.

Now if only they were actually standing flat instead of wearing invisible heels:

Spoiler:

**Jimsolo**

They're doing that runway pose thing RH loves so much. I can dig it for these models.

**Buzzsaw**

Heh, I was just thinking that I'm fine with the wrapped feet and standing on the balls of their feet look. I rather like them, though it never occurred to me that they were wrack proxies til someone said so, heh!