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**Xca|iber**

Yodhrin wrote:
Xca|iber wrote:
With all this talk about walkers versus tanks, I think people have lost sight of the real issues here...

...such as whether a Star Destroyer's turbolasers are more powerful than the Enterprise's phasers. Or whether Goku is scientifically stronger than Superman.

Seriously though, arguing semantics about the designs really misses out on the fantasy part of "science-fantasy", the genre behind 40k. If the 40k world says bipedal walkers are an acceptable solution, then it is so. You may think it's stupid, and you may not like the aesthetics, but following that up with "because..." is equally silly, since the canon can simply make up a fantasy response.

That being said, the new walker is okay... but I would have rather it been on a big skimmer tank, like a taller, beefier hammerhead.

The particulars of this change aside; this line of argument really irritates me. There is a substantial distinction between realism and internal consistency. Good fiction does not need to be strictly realistic, particularly sci-fi/sci-fantasy, but if the fiction contains a device that works a certain way or a faction that holds to a certain philosophy or style etc, the author doesn't get to use "lulz fantasy dawg" as an excuse to suddenly have the device work completely differently or the faction to change their behaviour due to reasons entirely outwith the narrative and setting(such as "Damn, I've written myself into a corner here, rather than rewrite the last two chapters I'll just deploy the power of FANTASY! and chuck in an implausible deus ex machina that completely contradicts my earlier narrative! Boom, deadline hit!" or "I really, really want to sell lots of big expensive Weeb-bait walkers, but the established background doesn't support that - but, with the power of FANTASY! I can just completely ignore the stuff I already wrote, Huzzah! Money plox").

You can write fiction that is as ridiculously implausible as you like relative to reality, but if you want it to be good fiction you have to write it with consistency.

Oh I agree with you. I was replying to the realism arguments; the stuff about walker foot pressure and the benefits of using tracked or hover vehicles from a physics standpoint. That is silly to me, since we have tons of fluff stating that giant walkers are a good, decent solution to certain warfare problems in the 40k universe (re: all of the titans, biotitans, etc). In other words: big walkers work within the framework of 40k. Tau having one does not somehow invalidate that.

Now, whether that's consistent with their lore is another story. Based on original publications, I'd say we're looking at (overall, since the Riptide) a level of change equal to the massive Necron re-write back in 5th. Lord knows from a consistency standpoint, there's enough retcons in there to give my grandchildren a migraine. Is it stupid? Yeah. But hey, I'd also like to unwrite Draigo's mary-sue ass right out of my GK book, so this kind of BS is pretty par for the course nowadays.

**Enigwolf**

Xca|iber wrote:

The particulars of this change aside; this line of argument really irritates me. There is a substantial distinction between realism and internal consistency. Good fiction does not need to be strictly realistic, particularly sci-fi/sci-fantasy, but if the fiction contains a device that works a certain way or a faction that holds to a certain philosophy or style etc, the author doesn't get to use "lulz fantasy dawg" as an excuse to suddenly have the device work completely differently or the faction to change their behaviour due to reasons entirely outwith the narrative and setting(such as "Damn, I've written myself into a corner here, rather than rewrite the last two chapters I'll just deploy the power of FANTASY! and chuck in an implausible deus ex machina that completely contradicts my earlier narrative! Boom, deadline hit!" or "I really, really want to sell lots of big expensive Weeb-bait walkers, but the established background doesn't support that - but, with the power of FANTASY! I can just completely ignore the stuff I already wrote, Huzzah! Money plox").

You can write fiction that is as ridiculously implausible as you like relative to reality, but if you want it to be good fiction you have to write it with consistency.

Oh I agree with you. I was replying to the realism arguments; the stuff about walker foot pressure and the benefits of using tracked or hover vehicles from a physics standpoint. That is silly to me, since we have tons of fluff stating that giant walkers are a good, decent solution to certain warfare problems in the 40k universe (re: all of the titans, biotitans, etc). In other words: big walkers work within the framework of 40k. Tau having one does not somehow invalidate that.

Now, whether that's consistent with their lore is another story. Based on original publications, I'd say we're looking at (overall, since the Riptide) a level of change equal to the massive Necron re-write back in 5th. Lord knows from a consistency standpoint, there's enough retcons in there to give my grandchildren a migraine. Is it stupid? Yeah. But hey, I'd also like to unwrite Draigo's mary-sue ass right out of my GK book, so this kind of BS is pretty par for the course nowadays.

**aka_mythos**

insaniak wrote:
Tank_Dweller wrote:
I think it needs something to blend the torso into the legs a bit better. I'm thinking something along the lines of the armour that Samurais hang from their waists to protect their upper legs. I have no idea of the correct terminology.

I don't think it's the 'blending' so much as the long gangly waist makes him look a little spindly.

Shortening the waist results in this:

That's what I was thinking, its just the tiniest bit too much height at the waist. Your eye sees that circular "belt buckle" and you expect that to be around the waist but end with the waist somewhere lower.

**Looky Likey**

Yodhrin wrote:
I want to see a scale lineup with the plastic knight, Kytan, and Cerastus in a row. If, as it appears from the base sizes, the Kytan legs fall nicely in-between the two then I'll probably pick one up - the legs would be de-Chaosified and used with a modified plastic Knight torso to make a Baron/Lancer that isn't as ridiculously oversized as the Cerastus pattern chassis, then I can combine the plastic legs with the LoS torso & arms to get a Knight of Khorne.

Gotta use all the parts of the hobby buffalo, eh?

here you go!

**Deadshot**

The problem with a the Kytan is that the legs are design like the dreadknight legs, which are designed to have a smaller torso and no head. The legs are too long, spindly and the toes too spread out for such a large, bulky torso, which is in turn designed to be mounted on a large tank like platform. If the legs were stockier, thicker, single jointed (like out legs rather than bird) and had either flat, hoofed or even claws instead of appearing to balance on its toes, it would look better. Right now it looks far too dynamic and mobile for its considerable bulk.

**Fireball**

You can pose this thing in all variations you want ... looks terrible still.

**Looky Likey**

Thin legs are a common theme across most Imperial models from FW and GW, even the Warlord's legs are thin for its size under the cowlings, in fact the Warlord's torso is even more out of balance with its legs as it is very deep as well as broad. The big problem I have with the Knights and Titan legs is that they are sized for the cowling, so they look better from the front than the side or back, I'd rather have a closer fit cowling and larger leg if that makes sense.

Thicker legs across the entire leg make the model look slower, that isn't always a bad thing but not suited to every model. I'd rather they made the thigh thicker and kept thinner calves, make them more like a sprinter's legs and giving the impression of speed. Knights and Warhounds should be able to move fast, otherwise what is the point of them over a tracked vehicle?

Personally I like the Knights to have the dorito shape of big upper chest, narrow waist, flair at the hips, its the Chris Evans, Captain America look.

**warboss**

Does anyone know what base that tau titan is shown on? I don't have any of the walker superheavy/gargantuan kits but from online pics it usually looks like they're oval and not round. Is that a new bigger circular base or some kind that forgeworld only uses?

**catharsix**

Deadshot wrote:
The problem with a the Kytan is that the legs are design like the dreadknight legs, which are designed to have a smaller torso and no head. The legs are too long, spindly and the toes too spread out for such a large, bulky torso, which is in turn designed to be mounted on a large tank like platform. If the legs were stockier, thicker, single jointed (like out legs rather than bird) and had either flat, hoofed or even claws instead of appearing to balance on its toes, it would look better. Right now it looks far too dynamic and mobile for its considerable bulk.

Well said. Basically it boils down to a mismatch or proportions between the upper (plastic) body and the lower (resin) body. Both look cool on their own, bu they are too different in proportions to work well together.

**Enigwolf**

catharsix wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
The problem with a the Kytan is that the legs are design like the dreadknight legs, which are designed to have a smaller torso and no head. The legs are too long, spindly and the toes too spread out for such a large, bulky torso, which is in turn designed to be mounted on a large tank like platform. If the legs were stockier, thicker, single jointed (like out legs rather than bird) and had either flat, hoofed or even claws instead of appearing to balance on its toes, it would look better. Right now it looks far too dynamic and mobile for its considerable bulk.

Well said. Basically it boils down to a mismatch or proportions between the upper (plastic) body and the lower (resin) body. Both look cool on their own, bu they are too different in proportions to work well together.

Now I finally understand why it just visually doesn't work for me...

**MajorWesJanson**

warboss wrote:
Does anyone know what base that tau titan is shown on? I don't have any of the walker superheavy/gargantuan kits but from online pics it usually looks like they're oval and not round. Is that a new bigger circular base or some kind that forgeworld only uses?

Its the 120mm (130?) circle that comes with the Onager Dunestalker.

**SirDonlad**

warboss wrote:
Does anyone know what base that tau titan is shown on? I don't have any of the walker superheavy/gargantuan kits but from online pics it usually looks like they're oval and not round. Is that a new bigger circular base or some kind that forgeworld only uses?

Spoiler:

Looks like an onager base to me.

Does anyone know if the Mechanicum LRB was available to buy at the event?

**warboss**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
warboss wrote:
Does anyone know what base that tau titan is shown on? I don't have any of the walker superheavy/gargantuan kits but from online pics it usually looks like they're oval and not round. Is that a new bigger circular base or some kind that forgeworld only uses?

Its the 120mm (130?) circle that comes with the Onager Dunestalker.

Ah, thanks. I checked out the stompa, wraithknight, gorkamorka whatever ork superheavy, knights, etc and didn't see it. I never thought to look at a "normal" vehicle like that.

**Enigwolf**

SirDonlad wrote:
warboss wrote:
Does anyone know what base that tau titan is shown on? I don't have any of the walker superheavy/gargantuan kits but from online pics it usually looks like they're oval and not round. Is that a new bigger circular base or some kind that forgeworld only uses?

Spoiler:

Looks like an onager base to me.

Does anyone know if the Mechanicum LRB was available to buy at the event?

Sorry, LRB? Large Rule Book?

**ImAGeek**

Enigwolf wrote:
SirDonlad wrote:
warboss wrote:
Does anyone know what base that tau titan is shown on? I don't have any of the walker superheavy/gargantuan kits but from online pics it usually looks like they're oval and not round. Is that a new bigger circular base or some kind that forgeworld only uses?

Spoiler:

Looks like an onager base to me.

Does anyone know if the Mechanicum LRB was available to buy at the event?

Sorry, LRB? Large Rule Book?

Little Red Book I'm guessing. It wasn't available there no.

**Ashiraya**

I think the Kytan could look better with a more dynamic, low stance.

**SirDonlad**

ImAGeek wrote:
Enigwolf wrote:
SirDonlad wrote:
warboss wrote:
Does anyone know what base that tau titan is shown on? I don't have any of the walker superheavy/gargantuan kits but from online pics it usually looks like they're oval and not round. Is that a new bigger circular base or some kind that forgeworld only uses?

Spoiler:

Looks like an onager base to me.

Does anyone know if the Mechanicum LRB was available to buy at the event?

Sorry, LRB? Large Rule Book?

Little Red Book I'm guessing. It wasn't available there no.

Correct!
Addendum; dang, maybe good things come to those who wait. (LR achillies for the ordo reductor hopefully)

**Sammoth**

insaniak wrote:
Tank_Dweller wrote:
I think it needs something to blend the torso into the legs a bit better. I'm thinking something along the lines of the armour that Samurais hang from their waists to protect their upper legs. I have no idea of the correct terminology.

I don't think it's the 'blending' so much as the long gangly waist makes him look a little spindly.

Shortening the waist results in this:

You could just use those 2 Skull plates from the Lord Of Skulls kits on the lower part of the torso.

**Slayer le boucher**

Cut out the mid section of the legs, this way he will be shorter and stockier, a bit like an oversized Contemptor dread.

Adds the 2 skull plates like Sammoth suggested to make tassets to add a bit more beef to the waist region.

And make the barels of the gun longer, the longer the gun barrels the more intimidating it looks.

**Enigwolf**

SirDonlad wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Enigwolf wrote:
SirDonlad wrote:
warboss wrote:
Does anyone know what base that tau titan is shown on? I don't have any of the walker superheavy/gargantuan kits but from online pics it usually looks like they're oval and not round. Is that a new bigger circular base or some kind that forgeworld only uses?

Spoiler:

Looks like an onager base to me.

Does anyone know if the Mechanicum LRB was available to buy at the event?

Sorry, LRB? Large Rule Book?

Little Red Book I'm guessing. It wasn't available there no.

Correct!
Addendum; dang, maybe good things come to those who wait. (LR achillies for the ordo reductor hopefully)

Cool, thanks!

Did anyone get a chance to take a look at what's inside of it? Is it all 30k only?

**SirDonlad**

Battlebunnies confirmed that it has rules for the ordinatus, but thats it as far as i know.
These LRB's are for 30k only so far - the first one was vanilla legion marines, the second one is legions on Isstvan3 and this one appears to be a full Taghmata List.
I don't believe they would use the LRB format for 40k; i recon 'imperial armour - Adeptus Mechanicus' is more what you're after; no?

(me too - just for fluff about the Ordo Reductor)

**H.B.M.C.**

SirDonlad wrote:
i recon 'imperial armour - Adeptus Mechanicus' is more what you're after; no? (me too - just for fluff about the Ordo Reductor)

We live in hope, although I do wonder if it is too greedy to want that given that GW released two AdMech books in one year.

Ashiraya wrote:
I think the Kytan could look better with a more dynamic, low stance.

Yeah, lower, more to the ground. Maybe even ditch the legs. Give it tracks or something. That would be an interesting look.

**Enigwolf**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
SirDonlad wrote:
i recon 'imperial armour - Adeptus Mechanicus' is more what you're after; no? (me too - just for fluff about the Ordo Reductor)
We live in hope, although I do wonder if it is too greedy to want that given that GW released two AdMech books in one year.

Ashiraya wrote:
I think the Kytan could look better with a more dynamic, low stance.
Yeah, lower, more to the ground. Maybe even ditch the legs. Give it tracks or something. That would be an interesting look.

Let's be real, no one's truly considering the AdMech release to be two books besides, GW, are they?

**ImAGeek**

Looks like Eidolon will come with a (kick ass) helmet:

From the latest bulletin: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_67.html

**Ratius**

Dont like the vents above his head, look like cute bunny rabbit ears to me =/

**ImAGeek**

I think he looks incredible, and I'm seriously considering doing some EC. I love all their models (except Fulgrim). I just don't really like them fluff wise haha.

**angelofvengeance**

Holy gak. Eidolon looks BADASS!

Also- anyone think that GW are knocking out some cracking decals of late? Those Night Lords ones look amazing.

**JohnnyHell**

The Kytan looks funky. I think it's the toes. It looks like it's from another model, not designed to complement the torso.

**ImAGeek**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Holy gak. Eidolon looks BADASS!

Also- anyone think that GW are knocking out some cracking decals of late? Those Night Lords ones look amazing.

They're awesome yeah, my UM ones are incredible and the upcoming ones all look awesome. Jew Goodwin's daughter designs them.

**SpyderG6**

ImAGeek wrote:
Looks like Eidolon will come with a (kick ass) helmet:

From the latest bulletin: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_67.html

So Eidolon comes with a helmet ,but Sigismund doesnt? I wonder what goes into the design choices for who gets one. Not complaining, just legitimately curious.