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Well...no, of course not. Nothing sells for the cost of raw materials, you're paying for all the work that went into it and also to keep the company going.

That said GW still charges far more than they really should be, so you're not really wrong, the prices defy all reason or explanation and seem to be GW just seeing what they can get away with more than anything else.

Well you said what I meant much better than the way I said it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The Eldar had the Ranger character and the Spiritseer in Finecast.

Weirdly two of the only FineCost models I own.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The Eldar had the Ranger character and the Spiritseer in Finecast.

Weirdly two of the only FineCost models I own.

Just got the ranger character myself, just because as snipers go he's pretty decent.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
FineCast was released with everyone knowing GW was using it as a temp measure. And what was the last Finecast model to come out? The last one I can think of is the Tau Crisis Suit Commander. Which is a couple years old now.

While that might have been the plan at the executive and planning level, as far as communications to customers and the industry I'm afraid this is simply not the case. I still remember the WD issue when FC was released, the stories online and the general buzz surrounding it. The top quality sculptors and painters they had quoted to say the same thing; that FC was a major step forward in detail and quality, that it was an improvement over what has come before. So much so that a price rise was a fair measure to take.

The people within the company and those making the miniatures no-doubt knew that it was BS, but nevertheless this was the message that was sent out. And a lot of people bought that message wholesale.

In fact, I think this was probably why FC had such a backlash against it. If GW had said "this is a temp measure while we move all of our ranges to plastics, we'll do our best to keep standards high but there might be some glitches" I think people might have been more understanding. Instead, it was heralded as a major new step forward for GW and the industry. They deserve the negative press they received, I think in all honesty the way in which they carried out the move to FC has done more damage to the GW brand, amongst people who you would term as modellers and gamers, than any other single event in the history of the company.

It's very odd GW never apologize publicly for almost anything, remember when they went after that kids book? They just said we don't talk to the press.

Though it's not just GW many companies take the no apology way. Avatars of War I'm looking at you.

Nocturnus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I emailed GW about this, as there are still a few models I want. They said there were no plans to discontinue Finecast. While I am not going to take that as gospel, GW would be pretty foolish to do away without replacements being available. A good chunk of the 40K stuff is finecast, you know other than Marines, and the amount of lost sales would surely be considered. Right?

With FC having such a toxic reputation it's possible the labor to make them at this point is more expensive than the sales it generates.

You could very well be on to something. I just wonder if they'll make it "direct only". I know the local game store can still get it ( at this point) but I could see them moving it there over simply discontinuing it. But I never thought they'd axe the Specialist Games line and we all know how that went...

Do you know of any finecast models that aren't direct only? They made hundreds of SKUs direct only about a year ago and most of them were the finecast blisters. I haven't seen one since that didn't have that direct only disclaimer on the GW page but admittedly I have only checked for a few armies.

migooo wrote:
It's very odd GW never apologize publicly for almost anything, remember when they went after that kids book? They just said we don't talk to the press.

Though it's not just GW many companies take the no apology way. Avatars of War I'm looking at you.

They do not address the public, so apologising publicly is going to be a bit hard for them


Zion...Temporary measure that lasted what? years? Lets be honest here shall we? They commercialized something really cheap that is not usable for gaming or painting purposes for an exorbitant price and guess what, they did it for 4 years. In those 4 years they lost crucial things like sales and the reputation of selling a pricey but good quality product. Since they do not cater to gamers the last thing you want to do is alienate the painter, modeler community.

Lets also not forget that FC models are not only a few characters here and there some armies are FC heavy, Im looking at things like Squig regiments for Ngobbos for example. So how many of the GW collectors did not get into those armies because of FC? No one really knows apart from GW. Individual characters are easy to convert but full armies are not.

Someone said its sad because there is a good chance that Characters blisters may end up discontinued but I can only sympathize and respect your loss if you liked FC, but I need to say that for my own selfish reasons that those Characters died 4 years ago when they switched into this new "revolutionary" material.

Finecast was a huge mistake and everyone involved is a victim of it, I can live without some minis on my vast collections and I hope that GW can recover from losing sales year after year to its competition.
Some companies do not have 4 years of life and on their little garages they manage to cast resin to outstanding standards?

Apple is big enough to pull these cheap stunts and funny enough GW believes that they have the volume to play that same game. They clearly tried it with FC, they failed.

migooo wrote:
It's very odd GW never apologize publicly for almost anything, remember when they went after that kids book? They just said we don't talk to the press.

Though it's not just GW many companies take the no apology way. Avatars of War I'm looking at you.

What's this talk about a kid's book?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/02/trademark-bully-thwarted-spots-space-marine-back-online

GW tried their usual IP bully tactics and it actually got picked up by the more mainstream media and they wisely decided to back down.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/The-White-Council-Vanquishers-of-the-Necromancer
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Radagast-the-Brown-on-Great-Eagle

Most recent things that's come out in "resin". However, it's hobbit line. I'm sure it's not worth it to make plastic figures for the characters. You'd only need one set if you were playing the game or collecting anyway.

 Schlyne wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/The-White-Council-Vanquishers-of-the-Necromancer
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Radagast-the-Brown-on-Great-Eagle

Most recent things that's come out in "resin". However, it's hobbit line. I'm sure it's not worth it to make plastic figures for the characters. You'd only need one set if you were playing the game or collecting anyway.

Anyone know if those are the same resin as smaug or failcast resin ?

 warboss wrote:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/02/trademark-bully-thwarted-spots-space-marine-back-online

GW tried their usual IP bully tactics and it actually got picked up by the more mainstream media and they wisely decided to back down.

Hell, I'm not certain whether they did back down or whether Amazon went 'Wow, they really got nuthin'... let's back away from this one'.

It isn't easy when your IP moat and castle are built of sand, and below the high tide line....

The Auld Grump

Amazon made their own determination but then GW decided not to take their typical second step (a lawsuit with no merit). For them, that is backing down if they do nothing after a takedown notice/cease and desist when it fails.

 warboss wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I emailed GW about this, as there are still a few models I want. They said there were no plans to discontinue Finecast. While I am not going to take that as gospel, GW would be pretty foolish to do away without replacements being available. A good chunk of the 40K stuff is finecast, you know other than Marines, and the amount of lost sales would surely be considered. Right?

With FC having such a toxic reputation it's possible the labor to make them at this point is more expensive than the sales it generates.

You could very well be on to something. I just wonder if they'll make it "direct only". I know the local game store can still get it ( at this point) but I could see them moving it there over simply discontinuing it. But I never thought they'd axe the Specialist Games line and we all know how that went...

Do you know of any finecast models that aren't direct only? They made hundreds of SKUs direct only about a year ago and most of them were the finecast blisters. I haven't seen one since that didn't have that direct only disclaimer on the GW page but admittedly I have only checked for a few armies.

off the top of my head:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Thunderfire-Cannon
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-Relics
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-the-Marches
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Lord-Executioner
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-the-Rites
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Eldar-Fire-Dragons
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Wolves-Wolf-Lord-on-Thunderwolf

For sure most finecast is direct only. I don't think their is ANYTHING in the fantesy range of finecast that hasn't gone direct only. Very few things left in the 40k range that are left to go direct only. But their is some stuff floating around that hasn't gone direct only yet.

To be fair in regards to Fantasy, there is some plastic stuff that has gone Direct Only as well.

Dryads and Glade Riders for Wood Elves(Core options; with Dryads being a standard rank and file rather than Skirmishers as they used to be) immediately spring to mind.

 Kanluwen wrote:
To be fair in regards to Fantasy, there is some plastic stuff that has gone Direct Only as well.

Dryads and Glade Riders for Wood Elves(Core options; with Dryads being a standard rank and file rather than Skirmishers as they used to be) immediately spring to mind.

Ungors for beatmen comes to mind also for me.

Thow the plastic kits going direct only has been popping up in 40k as well. Was surprised to learn that even as kit as relatively new as the IG Hellhound is in that club also.

 Lockark wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I emailed GW about this, as there are still a few models I want. They said there were no plans to discontinue Finecast. While I am not going to take that as gospel, GW would be pretty foolish to do away without replacements being available. A good chunk of the 40K stuff is finecast, you know other than Marines, and the amount of lost sales would surely be considered. Right?

With FC having such a toxic reputation it's possible the labor to make them at this point is more expensive than the sales it generates.

You could very well be on to something. I just wonder if they'll make it "direct only". I know the local game store can still get it ( at this point) but I could see them moving it there over simply discontinuing it. But I never thought they'd axe the Specialist Games line and we all know how that went...

Do you know of any finecast models that aren't direct only? They made hundreds of SKUs direct only about a year ago and most of them were the finecast blisters. I haven't seen one since that didn't have that direct only disclaimer on the GW page but admittedly I have only checked for a few armies.

off the top of my head:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Thunderfire-Cannon
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-Relics
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-the-Marches
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Lord-Executioner
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-the-Rites
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Eldar-Fire-Dragons
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Wolves-Wolf-Lord-on-Thunderwolf

For sure most finecast is direct only. I don't think their is ANYTHING in the fantesy range of finecast that hasn't gone direct only. Very few things left in the 40k range that are left to go direct only. But their is some stuff floating around that hasn't gone direct only yet.

Thanks for the examples of finecast not direct only. I wasn't even aware of those captain masters as they likey came out in the past couple of years where I just didn't pay attention much to 40k releases other than codex books for armies I already had. I can't remember when that wolf lord on thunderwolf came out but it was a bit before the current space wolf codex; I'm not sure but he may be even newer than the eldar model listed above as the last new finecast models.

That's why earlier in the thread I mentioned that I think the rumor is a bit of miscommunication from the source. What is happening is that the last of the fine cast range is going direct only.

I would love for this to be a sign that the old rumor that fine cast will be handed over to fw as a speciality product is true. Their were a lot of fine cast only models I would love to own in FW resin.

 Lockark wrote:

Spoiler:

 warboss wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I emailed GW about this, as there are still a few models I want. They said there were no plans to discontinue Finecast. While I am not going to take that as gospel, GW would be pretty foolish to do away without replacements being available. A good chunk of the 40K stuff is finecast, you know other than Marines, and the amount of lost sales would surely be considered. Right?

With FC having such a toxic reputation it's possible the labor to make them at this point is more expensive than the sales it generates.

You could very well be on to something. I just wonder if they'll make it "direct only". I know the local game store can still get it ( at this point) but I could see them moving it there over simply discontinuing it. But I never thought they'd axe the Specialist Games line and we all know how that went...

Do you know of any finecast models that aren't direct only? They made hundreds of SKUs direct only about a year ago and most of them were the finecast blisters. I haven't seen one since that didn't have that direct only disclaimer on the GW page but admittedly I have only checked for a few armies.

off the top of my head:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Thunderfire-Cannon
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-Relics
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-the-Marches
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Lord-Executioner
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-the-Rites
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Eldar-Fire-Dragons
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Wolves-Wolf-Lord-on-Thunderwolf

For sure most finecast is direct only. I don't think their is ANYTHING in the fantesy range of finecast that hasn't gone direct only. Very few things left in the 40k range that are left to go direct only. But their is some stuff floating around that hasn't gone direct only yet.

I looked at the masters characters at my FLGS las Saturday and it looks like they are made with the FW resin and not Finecrap as i could see no deformities or bubbles.

Please o please switch to FW resin! I know this won't happen, but golly gosh it would be awesome!

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

Spoiler:

 warboss wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I emailed GW about this, as there are still a few models I want. They said there were no plans to discontinue Finecast. While I am not going to take that as gospel, GW would be pretty foolish to do away without replacements being available. A good chunk of the 40K stuff is finecast, you know other than Marines, and the amount of lost sales would surely be considered. Right?

With FC having such a toxic reputation it's possible the labor to make them at this point is more expensive than the sales it generates.

You could very well be on to something. I just wonder if they'll make it "direct only". I know the local game store can still get it ( at this point) but I could see them moving it there over simply discontinuing it. But I never thought they'd axe the Specialist Games line and we all know how that went...

Do you know of any finecast models that aren't direct only? They made hundreds of SKUs direct only about a year ago and most of them were the finecast blisters. I haven't seen one since that didn't have that direct only disclaimer on the GW page but admittedly I have only checked for a few armies.

off the top of my head:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Thunderfire-Cannon
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-Relics
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-the-Marches
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Lord-Executioner
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Captain-Master-of-the-Rites
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Eldar-Fire-Dragons
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Wolves-Wolf-Lord-on-Thunderwolf

For sure most finecast is direct only. I don't think their is ANYTHING in the fantesy range of finecast that hasn't gone direct only. Very few things left in the 40k range that are left to go direct only. But their is some stuff floating around that hasn't gone direct only yet.

I looked at the masters characters at my FLGS las Saturday and it looks like they are made with the FW resin and not Finecrap as i could see no deformities or bubbles.

I've owned forgeworld, and have bought both the more early and latter finecast. I have even bought a few of thows masters characters. I can confirm that was not FW resin. It's just the latter finecast with better QC and slightly different color resin.

I think the lighter material earlier fine-cast used was part of the reson QC was so bad on earlier finecast. It makes it hard to notice mistakes on only a quick inspection. That's why they have started adding a grey dye to it.

i just saw a post on Facebook, this weekend, where the MoC with the jump pack had two massive holes on top of each flat surface over the intakes...
it seems to be the luck of the draw...

i received a Noise Marine upgrade pack two weeks ago for a commission, and the sprues are terribly warped, with holes like swiss cheese...
a week later, i recieved a Tzeentch Sorcerer, for the same job, that doesn't seem to have any holes, but the sword is droopy as hell...
compared to the resin FW Nurgle Sorcerer and Kakophoni Marine, that are for the same job, Finecast is like Play-Doh...

i am pretty much ready to start telling clients no Finecast, but that would hurt my business...
i've only been working with it for a month or so, and i already hate it with a passion...

cheers
jah

We'll know in another week or two if this pans out but over in the Eldar rumor thread, this was just posted by judgedoug:



I don't know if those are just repackages of old stuff or new sculpts but they're finecast models coming with a new release. If they were getting rid of finecast completely, I don't think they'd be included.

So new Web only fine cast.

 warboss wrote:

I don't know if those are just repackages of old stuff or new sculpts but they're finecast models coming with a new release. If they were getting rid of finecast completely, I don't think they'd be included.

Most likely old. They wouldn't release 5 new kits on a same date.

 Lockark wrote:
So new Web only fine cast.

More likely just the old kits.

 insaniak wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
So new Web only fine cast.

More likely just the old kits.

Why would the Autarch be called "Skyrunner" like the Farseer if it was the old kit? Isn't the Skyrunner supposed to be a jetbike type vehicle?

edit: oh wait, there is an old autarch on jetbike upgrade pack, didn't know .that

My point though was that if they were truely getting rid of finecast then they likely wouldn't spend money on rebranding/reboxing old minis at best or possibly creating new ones. They'd just retire them completely.

The direct exclusives just come in a plain package, so there's no need for re-boxing.

 insaniak wrote:
The direct exclusives just come in a plain package, so there's no need for re-boxing.

I got just a couple weeks ago two boxes from GW customer service that are finecast direct that came in the full retail packaging despite other instances of that same product (the Crisis Suit Commander) being in the plain white package. I don't know what criteria they use or if they just resort to the generic white box plus sticker when they're in between printings of boxes or what but the same kit varies from time to time. We'll see if and when folks do the unboxings.