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 Toofast wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

Bharring wrote:
So, "Faster Than The Eye Can See" means jetbikes most likely.

What does the dying line mean? I didn't think any Wraith constructs were rumored for release. Perhaps they are showcasing Iyanden in the issue? After all, almost everything Eldar since the codex last dropped has been Iyanden.

I'd rather hear from/see other craftworlds myself, but perhaps they are going to feature one per WD this week and next?

Wraiths are technically already dead, aren't they? The dying bit probably refers to the fact that the Eldar are considered a dying race.

Well, they WERE a dying race until Matt Ward got his filthy hands on the iyanden book. Suddenly even the smallest craftworld had billions and iyanden are the only craftworld that know how to make a craftworld. Smh

I've never read the fluff in the Iyanden supplement so I'll have to take your word on the above. It sounds like good ol' Matt was just trying to mesh the fluff with the new rules and the eldar as a race are no longer limited by a single force org! They can take an infinity number of detachments and formations so naturally the population had to be expanded to match. Ain't progress grand?!

Or, the fact that without billions, they couldn't be a viable faction in the universe. Even with billions on each craft world, they are still pathetically sparse compared to the other races.

The entire eldar race, if every single planet, craft world, and sector of commoragh had 2 billion people, they would still be outnumbered at least 5 to 1 by just the imperial guard.

It is hard for humans to comprehend the excessive numbers they chose to use in 40k. Hell, the writers themselves fall prey to it when they use insignificant numbers whilst trying to show how impressive something is. But the fact remains that their are more humans in some hive cities than there are on the most densely populated craft world. The fluff in Iyanden is actually the most viable statistic I've seen in this nonsensical setting yet!

So what we're saying is that Eldar are now just mostly dying?

I just marvel at how they have been a dying race for 10,000 years. Them space elves sure die slow.

In fairness, having a lifespan measured in centuries and millennia will take a while for them to peter out.

 adamsouza wrote:
I just marvel at how they have been a dying race for 10,000 years. Them space elves sure die slow.

They've been around for at least 65 million years, probably more like a hundred million. They were involved in a war that spanned multiple galaxies (although I'm not sure that scale is still canon after the Newcron Codex). It's implied that their population has been decreasing for millions of years as the Eldar became a decadent, urban society dependent on robot labor and defense, with an aging, shrinking population like modern Japan. Before the birth of Slaanesh, they had cities all over real space and through the webway. For all we know, their population has shrunk from quintillions down to hundreds of billions within living memory (for the oldest Eldar).

Billions of Eldar might be a tremendously low number compared to just 100,000 years ago. 10,000 years is almost nothing to them. Imagine if the population of Earth shrunk to just one million people in the next decade. Would that seem like it's taking forever for humans to die off?

 adamsouza wrote:
I just marvel at how they have been a dying race for 10,000 years. Them space elves sure die slow.

They're still doing pretty good compared to the fledgling Tau

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Billions of Eldar might be a tremendously low number compared to just 100,000 years ago. 10,000 years is almost nothing to them. Imagine if the population of Earth shrunk to just one million people in the next decade. Would that seem like it's taking forever for humans to die off?

That's a really good way of putting it. I hadn't thought of it that way.

It's also worth pointing out the relativity of numbers. Even if each craftworld had a hundred billion Eldar on them, and each Exodite world had a hundred billion Eldar on it, that would still pale in comparison to most of the other factions in the setting in terms of numbers- thus the "dying race" moniker.

edit- As far as my predictions for what would change in the codex: I foresee the Avatar remaining an HQ, and still crap due to being a walking MC. If anyone is going to become a LoW, it seems likely to me that Eldrad would be the frontman. Battle-focus will stay, pseudo-rending will stay, the Phoenix Lords will get token price drops but will otherwise fail to have any of their core issues addressed. I wouldn't be surprised if the serpent shield got nerfed, and the rest of the book will be a series of small point changes here and there with most of the units remaining the same in functionality.

Double-edit: I don't think WIndrider Jetbikes will get moved to FA. Though that would fit the trend, there'd be too much clash between them and Shining Spears.

 Azreal13 wrote:
In fairness, having a lifespan measured in centuries and millennia will take a while for them to peter out.

Humans live a long time too, though. Kinda like Mr. Emperor-San has been around for millennia (ok fine, he has a nice chair). But Dante is older than a thousand years, too, IIRC.

"Humans live a long time too!"

Uses the Emperor (the Emperor!) and the one Marine notes as being specifically long lived as examples.

Come on. That's not proof of humans living a long time. Those are anomalies. MASSIVE anomalies.

 Talys wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
In fairness, having a lifespan measured in centuries and millennia will take a while for them to peter out.

Humans live a long time too, though. Kinda like Mr. Emperor-San has been around for millennia (ok fine, he has a nice chair). But Dante is older than a thousand years, too, IIRC.

Compared to the Eldar? No, we are but candles in a storm, our lives are snuffed out in an instant.

Besides those 2 anomalies like H.B.M.C puts it (Hell, Space marines don't live that much time because they die in action), we know humans have a greater life-span because of rejuvenating treatments, with officers living over 150 years or even more but compare that to an eldar, who's natural life-span is over 1000 years.

On-topic: When are we probably getting some leaks about the eldar? Next Monday?

If I remember right, Commissar Yarrick is quite an old fellow..

Legendarily old for Humans? 1000 years.

Legendarily old for Eldar? 10000 years.

Not even close. Some (not many) Eldar are still around from before the Fall.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
If I remember right, Commissar Yarrick is quite an old fellow..

Only the super rich and powerful can afford rejuvenate treatments.

Edlar are still far older than humans. They can live 1000s of years WITHOUT rejuvenates, etc.

Bharring wrote:
Legendarily old for Humans? 1000 years.

Legendarily old for Eldar? 10000 years.

Not even close. Some (not many) Eldar are still around from before the Fall.

Vect is the only one that comes to mind. The phoenix lords are all actually different guys possessed by their armor, so the only other one I can think of may be Eldrad, but I forget how old he is. Also he died lol.

Eldrad isn't dead anymore seeing as the crusade's been retconned to not starting yet

Even with him alive now, he was already the premiere farseer for ulthwe during the emperor's crusade. That takes time, a lot of it.

With then last few codecies, they seemed to alternate army organization styles. Blood angels, force organization chart and some formations. Necrons, force org chart made of formations. Harlequin, forces org chart and formations. Daemonkin, force organization.made of formations. Admech, force organization chart and formations.

If the trend stays true, the Eldar will indeed get a decurian style detachment. That would make me happy

 Rygnan wrote:
Eldrad isn't dead anymore seeing as the crusade's been retconned to not starting yet

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He got better.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Legendarily old for Humans? 1000 years.

Legendarily old for Eldar? 10000 years.

Not even close. Some (not many) Eldar are still around from before the Fall.

Vect is the only one that comes to mind. The phoenix lords are all actually different guys possessed by their armor, so the only other one I can think of may be Eldrad, but I forget how old he is. Also he died lol.

I'm sure that Vect isn't the only Dark Eldar to be that long lived maybe even Urien

Any new rumors? I love the lore discussion, but I don't think we should continue it here...

Prediction: Guardians(both) go up to 10PPM and Dire Avengers go to 14PPM.

Still crunching numbers, but based off of the currant DE codex, and the way the numbers for infantry models, that seems to be what it will come out to. Though Wyches end up being 1PPM to much using the method I have found, but most seem to fall into the system. Would like to find out.

I'm OK with that bump. I much prefer round numbers for my selections. Without arbitrary number fluctuation the game can be balanced more easily.

 megatrons2nd wrote:
Prediction: Guardians(both) go up to 10PPM and Dire Avengers go to 14PPM.

Still crunching numbers, but based off of the currant DE codex, and the way the numbers for infantry models, that seems to be what it will come out to. Though Wyches end up being 1PPM to much using the method I have found, but most seem to fall into the system. Would like to find out.

Hmm I sure hope not. I already almost never use Guardians since I consider them too costly myself. I mean they are going to die twice as fast as the dire avengers since a lot of stuff is going to punch through that 5+ armor, that the DA's 4+ armor would have otherwise stopped. Not to mention needing to get a very costly transport just to get the guardians in range, I don't see any reason in not paying the extra 40 points for the 10 Dire Avengers, that way when they pop out and attack they can at least take a hit for one turn. For me to take Guardians I either need to see a cheaper transportation option or the guardians are going to have to drop down to 7ppm to see some use.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Or, the fact that without billions, they couldn't be a viable faction in the universe. Even with billions on each craft world, they are still pathetically sparse compared to the other races.

The entire eldar race, if every single planet, craft world, and sector of commoragh had 2 billion people, they would still be outnumbered at least 5 to 1 by just the imperial guard.

It is hard for humans to comprehend the excessive numbers they chose to use in 40k. Hell, the writers themselves fall prey to it when they use insignificant numbers whilst trying to show how impressive something is. But the fact remains that their are more humans in some hive cities than there are on the most densely populated craft world. The fluff in Iyanden is actually the most viable statistic I've seen in this nonsensical setting yet!

But that could still work since the Eldar have infinite reach. They can be on (almost) any world in the galaxy instantly while the billions of IG are still climbing into their troop ships.

Also if their technology was sufficiently impressive and if each Eldar were a ninja-jedi-warrior prince.

If I were rebooting 40k from the ground up I'd want a game where 10 marines or Eldar were a match for a 100 or more IG, Orks or Nids.

Course that wouldn't be a great game for mini sales.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They can be on (almost) any world in the galaxy instantly

The webway has never been instantaneous travel.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They can be on (almost) any world in the galaxy instantly

The webway has never been instantaneous travel.

Its the combination of web way technology, scrying, careful planning and ruthless preemptive strikes that make up their seemingly uncanny speed across the galaxy, right?

Um... Eldar jet bikes are off the website? Seeing that they've already been reboxed does that mean we may be seeing new jetbike models coming out soon?

 PuddlePirate wrote:
Um... Eldar jet bikes are off the website? Seeing that they've already been reboxed does that mean we may be seeing new jetbike models coming out soon?

That's old news. Certainly seems so. There's been some talk about a speed-related hint in the upcoming WD.

 Fayric wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They can be on (almost) any world in the galaxy instantly

The webway has never been instantaneous travel.

Its the combination of web way technology, scrying, careful planning and ruthless preemptive strikes that make up their seemingly uncanny speed across the galaxy, right?

And an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope .