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Mr.Church13 wrote:
Right now all we have is the Wave Serpent. I'd love to get a fully useable dex, but honestly I see Bikes becoming the new wave serpent while the other stuff falls to GW's rules incompetence.

That is nonsense. We have a huge selection of viable units, no one uses them because the serpents are the most"broken thing ever"

The only reason eldar aren't at the top any more is people at that high of a level figured out how to beat the spam. Period. What the serpents do most effectively is kill eldar style units. High toughness, low wound, and low toughness/av relying on cover to survive. When someone brings something besides serpent spam and wk's, they run into 20 or so that did, and it happens to be their hard counter. When we stop relying on a lame crutch ability, and start relying on the things eldar bring to the table (dedicated aspects and fast maneuverable support) you will see an uptick in diversity in the entire meta, as well as significant diversity in eldar lists themselves.

The death of the 60" shield equals the life of almost every light vehicle and light to medium infantry model in the game. My $.02

 Talys wrote:

By the way: Necron were nerfed all to hell right?

Necrons were in fact, buffed. One completely broken thing was changed (MSS) and everything got better.

I just feel that everything else was so bad that without the WS shining like the sun in a dark room Eldar are gonna end up so nerfed that they are borderline unplayable. I mean I get that they're a finesse army, but dang I'd like to be able to not rely on WS to actually win.

But as a Guy who enjoyed the days of Footdar being viable in 4th I'm probably S.O.L. on that front.

There really isn't an army that's been 'nerfed' since 7th edition kicked off. People like to stick with the standard GW tropes though.

So this really isn't a rumor thread any longer is it?

stormboy wrote:
So this really isn't a rumor thread any longer is it?

It never was.

nae word on what's the deal with the aspects yet?

 Mulletdude wrote:

 Talys wrote:

By the way: Necron were nerfed all to hell right?

Necrons were in fact, buffed. One completely broken thing was changed (MSS) and everything got better.

That was dripping with sarcasm, bud in reference to eldar surely being nerfed to hell.


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 plastictrees wrote:
There really isn't an army that's been 'nerfed' since 7th edition kicked off. People like to stick with the standard GW tropes though.

Dark Eldar are weaker, in my opinion. And what happened to all their hoes :X Grey Knights, due to changes in psychic. Necron, SW, BA, Tyranids, Orks are not worse off.

In all cases, models have gotten better

 DarknessEternal wrote:

stormboy wrote:
So this really isn't a rumor thread any longer is it?

It never was.

Well, except for the all the rumours, including the new ones about releases that just came out.

warboss wrote:At $58, my hopes for this craftworld codex to NOT be a replacement for the current LESS THAN TWO fething YEARS SINCE FIRST RELEASE codex are pretty much dashed. I gave them a second chance by picking up the rehashed after 2 years 7th edition rulebook but I'm not going to support a two year lifecycle on rulebooks as a general rule.

Orrus wrote:Surely 'Codex: Craftworlds' is not a replacement for Codex: Eldar

I still think it's a supplement for the remaining craftworlds, after Iyanden.

Am I just believing what I want to believe or is anyone else thinking the same?

It is a direct replacement, PLUS rules for additional Craftworlds.

Accolade wrote:

 Orrus wrote:
Surely 'Codex: Craftworlds' is not a replacement for Codex: Eldar

I still think it's a supplement for the remaining craftworlds, after Iyanden.

Am I just believing what I want to believe or is anyone else thinking the same?

Even then, how is $58?? Am I missing some special features or are we going to SM price for books now.

Because it's 160 pages.

People need to stop drawing ridiculous conclusions. This doesn't mean every book is suddenly going to be on a 2 year cycle. We saw with Necrons, Khorne Demonkin, and Skitarii that the new format not only has MUCH better internal balance than the previous iterations, but adds a truckload of variety in the form of detachments, formations, and tables; the bog standard FO is all but dead, and so is spam-hammer by extension. (Not to mention the bonus of cleaner rules wording in the newer books. I mean, seriously - look at Necrons, and then read Space Marines: the latter reads like it was written by an 8 year old in comparison.)

I am going to bet a house that this is how all the books will look and/or be refreshed so everyone is on the same playing field. It doesn't mean 18-24 months after that we see a new Codex: Eldar.

 brassangel wrote:

Accolade wrote:

 Orrus wrote:
Surely 'Codex: Craftworlds' is not a replacement for Codex: Eldar

I still think it's a supplement for the remaining craftworlds, after Iyanden.

Am I just believing what I want to believe or is anyone else thinking the same?

Even then, how is $58?? Am I missing some special features or are we going to SM price for books now.

Because it's 160 pages.

People need to stop drawing ridiculous conclusions. This doesn't mean every book is suddenly going to be on a 2 year cycle. We saw with Necrons, Khorne Demonkin, and Skitarii that the new format not only has MUCH better internal balance than the previous iterations, but adds a truckload of variety in the form of detachments, formations, and tables; the bog standard FO is all but dead, and so is spam-hammer by extension. (Not to mention the bonus of cleaner rules wording in the newer books. I mean, seriously - look at Necrons, and then read Space Marines: the latter reads like it was written by an 8 year old in comparison.)

I am going to bet a house that this is how all the books will look and/or be refreshed so everyone is on the same playing field. It doesn't mean 18-24 months after that we see a new Codex: Eldar.

I did not say every codex was going to start getting a release every two years, I said the popular books would (and I still believe the core rulebook will too).

Here's the release years for the Eldar Codexes:

1994
1999
2006
2013
2015

So we have roughly 5-6 years between each of them, except now we only got 2?? I don't know why people can't understand that that is going too far. People didn't like that armies didn't get updated because often their chances to update were squandered on re-releasing armies that have had a number of go-throughs (i.e. Space Marines). There simply isn't that much that truly warrants a release of a book every two years, and GW's completely bipolar manner of shifting the rules/army style every few months (from formations to army-wide formations to CADs with no HQs to etc etc etc) guarantees that there isn't some point that things will ever match up.

This pattern will continue on ad nauseam, and people will keep justifying it, saying "oh well they just have to do these few armies to get everything to the same page and then expand the game from that point on with other factions." After all, that's what they did with 6th edition supplements, right? The rumors are going for many armies to follow the path of the Eldar- the path of the new codex in a similar time-frame. If we make it till September with the Space Marines codexes, we will have *just* made it into two years for that particular book.

I think this cycle will continue as it always has, just at this increased speed. There is no onus on GW to get everything up to some sort of balanced out point, that takes away the constant flux and the desire for codexes to keep up with the current trend.

The main thing that matters is you (the customer) keeps buying. The book cycles will ensure that.

Why was Skittari leaked so fast compared to this? Baaaah!

Two books(Harlequin and now Skitarii) without HQs now becomes part of a "completely bipolar manner of shifting the rules/army style every few months"?

Hell, Codex: Skitarii and Codex: Harlequin are at least consistent with each other and actually fit fairly well in with what we saw with the Ork, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Khorne Daemonkin, and Necron books. Not to mention the supplement books for Orks, Wolves, and Dark Eldar.

But really, compare those releases to Astra Militarum or Tempestus. The parent codex(Astra Militarum) was done in what can be referred to as "Last Edition Style" while Tempestus was done in the same vein as what we have seen with every major book release since AM.

So really this talk about "GW's completely bipolar manner of shifting the rules/army style every few months" strikes me as a bit misleading and a bit misguided.

With that said, if we're going to see an entirely new book I don't expect to see huge sweeping changes. I think the whole point of this book is to clean out what they consider to be "Last Edition clutter" and to remove some of the more problematic options.

I still don't see why the bellyaching. This is the ONLY codex that will have had a 2 year cycle in the history of GW, and codex: eldar WAS written for 6e.

The only other codices that even have a possibility of a 2 year cycle are space marines, and Tau.

The funny part to me is people complaining about X additional dollars every two years.

For the number of hours I spend on this hobby, going to events, etc if it would increase my enjoyment by even 1% it would be money well spent.

Eldar at present reduce the enjoyment for a significant portion of the population right now. I am glad they are getting one sooner rather than having to deal with it for even another month. I own and play eldar, just bought the e-book a few months ago and I aint even mad.

Timelines/release dates look normal if you accept that 6th edition was
a mistake, and they need to work some damage control around it.
We will hopefully be back on track soon.
And lets face it, GW has been doing alot of right decisions since 6th was dropped.

 Talys wrote:
I still don't see why the bellyaching. This is the ONLY codex that will have had a 2 year cycle in the history of GW, and codex: eldar WAS written for 6e.

The only other codices that even have a possibility of a 2 year cycle are space marines, and Tau.

Your ignorance of people's complaints is, at this point, a conscious choice. You've been presented with exactly why but continue to misconstrue the facts despite that. It is more correct to say that this is THE FIRST codex that will have a 2 year life cycle which follows the FIRST edition to have only a 2 year life cycle which will be followed by (according to the rumors) THREE MORE SUCCESSIVE army revamps with codex books to be invalidated after a 2 year life cycle. What are the next rumored armies getting revamps? Space Marine, Tau, and Dark Angels. Guess what edition all three of the next three armies to get redone came out? Is that really that hard to understand? You may be fine with rebuying your books that are 50% more expensive than they used to be at a pace that is twice as fast but I'm not. It's not a question of affording it but rather the underlying principle. If GW finds this works this thanks to folks like yourself, you'll be defending yearly iterations of 40k ala video game franchises like Call of Duty considering GW is pretty much following video gamings footsteps as a guideline. Again, you may be fine with paying 50% more for something half as useful but just don't pretend that there isn't a valid reason for complaints with that change.


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 Fayric wrote:
Timelines/release dates look normal if you accept that 6th edition was
a mistake, and they need to work some damage control around it.
We will hopefully be back on track soon.
And lets face it, GW has been doing alot of right decisions since 6th was dropped.

GW has my address and can send me the refund check for THEIR mistake (not mine) in coming out with an edition of rules so apparently faulty that it needs to be replaced completely in half the normal time. Problem solved!

 warboss wrote:
It is more correct to say that this is THE FIRST codex that will have a 2 year life cycle which follows the FIRST edition to have only a 2 year life cycle which will be followed by (according to the rumors) THREE MORE SUCCESSIVE army revamps with codex books to be invalidated after a 2 year life cycle.

Great. Then you're "more correct". Revel in your victory.

Doesn't change the fact that expecting a pattern of behaviour other than a lack of a pattern is folly when it comes to GW.

Eldar have THREE things that piss people off: Wave Serpents, Jetbikes, and possibly Wraithlords. Mostly the first. So instead of releasing a version 1.1 FAQ that says page x - serpent shield range is 6", not 60", they make you pay $58 for a new book instead.

Every codex has a handful of units that people whine about. Chaos = ML3 DPs with spell familiars, Nids = tl-devourer w. brainleech worms Flyrants, Tau = IA + EWO Riptides, Crons = Wraiths & Flayed Ones & Croissants, Daemons = summoning, Guard = Paskisher and friends, BA = armywide furious charge.
We dont need a new codex to fix this.

 Fayric wrote:
Timelines/release dates look normal if you accept that 6th edition was
a mistake, and they need to work some damage control around it.

6th edition hasn't been fixed. For everything GW fixed with 7th, there's new things they broke (Unbound, Malefic daemonology, invisibility...) Mostly GW just stepped up the codex releasing schedule and introduced formations and campaign books so now there's just so much stuff in the meta that there's an answer for most everything.


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 Accolade wrote:
This pattern will continue on ad nauseam, and people will keep justifying it, saying "oh well they just have to do these few armies to get everything to the same page and then expand the game from that point on with other factions."

Actually I think February 2015 is a good place for a gaming group to stop updating their GW stuff...with codex Necrons all armies have gotten a hardback (or online equivalent) release, now the only difference is 6th ed artwork-y + foc swapping codexes vs 7th ed miniatures-pictures and formations codexes.

I just look forward to a new Eldar Codex that fixes Wave Serpents, makes playing eldar infantry fun and i also look forward to new Jetbike models.

And in regard to the "new codex frenzy": nowadays i buy some, i download the rest. Having most armies i have to choose between buying models and books and i choose models.

There goes my hopes for a tall avatar, less push over Phoenix lords and plastic aspect warriors. that's what I get for hoping eh?

 warboss wrote:

 Talys wrote:
I still don't see why the bellyaching. This is the ONLY codex that will have had a 2 year cycle in the history of GW, and codex: eldar WAS written for 6e.

The only other codices that even have a possibility of a 2 year cycle are space marines, and Tau.

Your ignorance of people's complaints is, at this point, a conscious choice. You've been presented with exactly why but continue to misconstrue the facts despite that. It is more correct to say that this is THE FIRST codex that will have a 2 year life cycle which follows the FIRST edition to have only a 2 year life cycle which will be followed by (according to the rumors) THREE MORE SUCCESSIVE army revamps with codex books to be invalidated after a 2 year life cycle.

Actually, you're the ignorant one that doesn't read English very well. I wrote that the Eldar Codex is the ONLY codex that will have had a 2 year cycle. That's true. I also wrote that there are no other codices that can have a 2 year cycle at the moment other than SM and Tau, and that's also true. So, you should acknowledge that.

Yes, Tau and SM may get a 2 year cycle this year. In that case there will be THREE (out of how many?) that are updated to 7th edition. Want to talk about firsts? It will be the FIRST time that every codex for a major faction matches the game edition. Ever. Well, at least if they do Sisters before 8th. All praise the Omnissiah.

I perfectly understand what people's complaints are; I just think they're silly and unreasonable. $60 for a 168 page book for a faction that you play -- every 2-4 years? That's AWESOME. Yes, it's more expensive; it's also going to have way, way more content. It's not more expensive that Space Marines was 2+ years ago. Not only that, people actively complain about Tau and Eldar being too powerful. If you really want to stay stuck in the past, play with the old codex. If your friends all want to go to the new codex, and you don't? Well, then, you're the one being unreasonable. If your buddies prefer 5e? All the power to you.

Did GW release any of the other codices in 2 year cycles? No. They were all 3-5 year cycles.

 warboss wrote:

What are the next rumored armies getting revamps? Space Marine, Tau, and Dark Angels. Guess what edition all three of the next three armies to get redone came out? Is that really that hard to understand? You may be fine with rebuying your books that are 50% more expensive than they used to be at a pace that is twice as fast but I'm not. It's not a question of affording it but rather the underlying principle. If GW finds this works this thanks to folks like yourself, you'll be defending yearly iterations of 40k ala video game franchises like Call of Duty considering GW is pretty much following video gamings footsteps as a guideline. Again, you may be fine with paying 50% more for something half as useful but just don't pretend that there isn't a valid reason for complaints with that change.

The marginal cost of the books to the hobby and game is miniscule. $60 -- out of an hobby that over 2 years probably costs $1,000+. If that makes the game more enjoyable, or better, what a great investment for the next 2-5 years. If it doesn't make the game more enjoyable -- don't buy it. If the game is too expensive to keep up with -- play something else. But to complain about a book that is going from 104 pages to 168 pages as just a cash grab is unreasonable. Dare I say, ignorant.

By the way, you might not like video game franchises like CoD deriving revenue from annual releases and DLCs. You might not like the fact that IMAX movie tickets now cost double the price of regular movie tickets of yesteryear. You might not like that there's a new iPhone every year that's $700.

But guess what? That's the way the world is. Live with it, live in it, enjoy it... Or don't!


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Fayric wrote:Timelines/release dates look normal if you accept that 6th edition was
a mistake, and they need to work some damage control around it.
We will hopefully be back on track soon.
And lets face it, GW has been doing alot of right decisions since 6th was dropped.

I agree with this sentiment completely! I don't know anyone that loved 6e or still plays 6e. As I mentioned above, I **LOVE** that all the codices will soon be 7e. It couldn't come soon enough. Sisters too please. Pretty please.

Some people will never be happy with what GW does now, short of dropping the price of the game to be $150 for a 75 model army and all the rules and templates that you never have to upgrade. Personally, I think 7e is great, and if they add skirmish rules (a la WHFB rumors), that will be fantastic.

Leth wrote:The funny part to me is people complaining about X additional dollars every two years.

For the number of hours I spend on this hobby, going to events, etc if it would increase my enjoyment by even 1% it would be money well spent.

Eldar at present reduce the enjoyment for a significant portion of the population right now. I am glad they are getting one sooner rather than having to deal with it for even another month. I own and play eldar, just bought the e-book a few months ago and I aint even mad.

Well, the crazy thing is, I don't know anyone who plays 40k regularly for 2+ years, who has a reasonably painted, army that's generally playable, who hasn't spent a thousand bucks between everything in the game (models, tools, paint, books, etc.). I mean, not even one. $60 is like... 0.6% of the investment cost. In mean, cripes.

Also, it is cheaper than 4 IMAX tickets to the next Avengers movie.

Shuuuuuush with your complaiiining already. Someone tell me ablut the nerf of wraithknights pls!

the complains about the codexe being updated every two years are especially laughable considering that

1- So far, eldar are the only one who've been updated in a 2 year span (using rumoured release as a proof of this being a trend is absurd)

2- It's possible to get the codex at a very "reasonable" price, without even leaving your house.

whats with all the Talys bashing?? I think some of you need to cool it off in this thread, were not here to throw hate around.

Talys has raised logical and sound arguments, whereas quite a few of you are jumping to conclusions.
Just because some numbers go;
6, 7, 6, 5, 2

doesn't mean that the next number is now 2 You can't just start predicting patterns based upon a few outlying points of data. Yes the next few dexes correlate, but they are also the major dexes that are not 7ed. I mean going off your logic;
5, 2, 1, 0.5, 0.25

OMG I've just predicted that in a couple years time at the rate GW is accelerating its ability to produce codexes that we are going to be seeing a re-vamp of every codex every 3 months!!
I mean im pretty sure you can all agree that is absurd right?? But it uses the same logic you are defending your points with. Please can we move away from our scryer's orbs and get back to the thread at hand
OMG GW ARE GOING TO RUIN ELDARARARSR

Heres to hoping aspects get some nice loving!

I think it's a bit strange that we haven't seen any leaked pics or anything.

I mean, with the Skitarii release we got leaks left and right, weeks before they were even announced, but with this Eldar release? Nothing. I wonder why that is.

On the topic of the actual release though, if there is different rules for different Craftworlds, I'm hoping for a Jetbike focused one. Would be really fun fielding a battle-forged jetbike-only army.

 alleus wrote:

On the topic of the actual release though, if there is different rules for different Craftworlds, I'm hoping for a Jetbike focused one. Would be really fun fielding a battle-forged jetbike-only army.

I would just hope it isn't the FOTM seems to be bikes are strong in so many lists these days. But if every craftworld get a little focus i'll be happy

Given the web bundles we have seen, that it is called craftworld eldar, is the size of the marine book, and the direction that things have been going, it is a pretty safe bet that there will be individual craft world rules and/or formations

Since over a year i expect as many leaks as GW wants to be leaked. There is no uncontrolled leakage anymore.

So i expect the first pics after all Skitarii models are out.
You cannot have 2 simultaneous codexes competing with each other.

If it were a WHFB army, there would be leaks, but in this case i expect the first pics in a week or so.

 alleus wrote:
I think it's a bit strange that we haven't seen any leaked pics or anything.

I mean, with the Skitarii release we got leaks left and right, weeks before they were even announced, but with this Eldar release? Nothing. I wonder why that is.

Well, we've known for a while that the Eldar were coming; this thread was started almost a month ago, after all. But I expect pics from the WD to show up somewhere today, tomorrow at the latest.

On the topic of the actual release though, if there is different rules for different Craftworlds, I'm hoping for a Jetbike focused one. Would be really fun fielding a battle-forged jetbike-only army.

If any Craftworld would get a focus on jetbikes, it'd be Saim-Hann. And you can already field a legal battleforged jetbike-only army with the current codex, of course.