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**Wilson**

Red Corsair wrote:
Wilson wrote:
160 strength 6 shots.

Absurd.

Rage quit inbound!

It only puts out 90 wounds before saves vs T4 and less... Lets be fair, all those greentide [players were taking way too much time moving models.

Lol only 90.

**Red Corsair**

SarisKhan wrote:
If the no weapon restriction is true I'll pretend it's still 1 per 3 jetbikes. Seriously, I'd like to win more but that's just dirty.

It's nice remaining friends with your opponents. That will quickly become a build that creates outcasts.

**Thud**

From Marneus41 on Warseer on the formations;

There are 3 different choice for guardian host :

- Guardian Battlehost ( 1 farseer, 3 unit guardian defenders, 1 Vyper squadron, 1 unit War walkers, 1 Vaul's Wrath Support Battery and 0-1 Warlock conclave)

- Windrider host (1 farseer, 1 warlock conclave, 3 unit Windriders, 1 Vyper squadron)

- Guardian storm host ( 1 farseer, 3 unit storm guardian , 1 Vyper squadron, 1 unit War walkers, 1 Vaul's Wrath Support Battery and 0-1 Warlock conclave

and

You need at least one of those formations to unlock the other one :

0-3 Regent of the warhost :
- Heroes of the craftworlds (1 Autarch or Yriel or Eldrad or Illic
- Seer council : 2 farseers (1 can be Eldrad, 1 warlock conclave
- living legends : 1 avatar or 1 of the phoenix lords

1-12 formation for each guardian ost
- outcasts : 1 unit Rangers
- crimson death : 3 crimson hunters
- dire avenger shrine : 3 unit Dire Avengers
- wraith host : 1 Spiritseer, 3 unit Wraith guards/blades (any combinaison), 1 Wraithlord, 1 Wraith Knight
- aspect host : 3 unit aspect warriors (any combinaison)
- wraith-construct :1Hemlock or 1 Wraithlord or 1 Wraithknight
- engines of vaul : 1 unit of Night Spinner or 1 unit of Fire Prism or 1 unit of Falcon

**MrFlutterPie**

...and all of sudden nobody cares about Wave Serpents anymore

Looks like the ladz can stay on the shelf where I left them during late 4th

**Red Corsair**

Wilson wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Wilson wrote:
160 strength 6 shots.

Absurd.

Rage quit inbound!

It only puts out 90 wounds before saves vs T4 and less... Lets be fair, all those greentide [players were taking way too much time moving models.

Lol only 90.

Not even triple digits mate

gotta leave them some models for turns 2 and 3

**Mr.Church13**

streetsamurai wrote:
Damn, these jetbikes are ugly as hell. They're barely an improvement over the old horrible ones.

Autarch is cool though

Huh? And here I was thinking opinions couldn't be wrong.

On another note. These are what I waited years to get. I've never even test ran Jetbikes in eldar before. But I'm buying a ton of these.

**Zewrath**

By the fething Emperor! Seriously, aside from 1 edition in 5th, why the actual hell does GW insist on making Eldar so stupidly OP? I've literally never seen anything so stupid being released since the 3rd edition Blood Angels Rhino rush. I mean come on, I've seen so many Eldar players getting so much gak from playing their armies and they always put that 1 or maybe 2 Wave Serpent on the table with that apologetic look on their face, I honestly feel sorry for them.

**Vector Strike**

Zewrath wrote:
By the fething Emperor! Seriously, aside from 1 edition in 5th, why the actual hell does GW insist on making Eldar so stupidly OP? I've literally never seen anything so stupid being released since the 3rd edition Blood Angels Rhino rush. I mean come on, I've seen so many Eldar players getting so much gak from playing their armies and they always put that 1 or maybe 2 Wave Serpent on the table with that apologetic look on their face, I honestly feel sorry for them.

I have a theory that Eldar is Jervis Johnson son's army. His second army is Space Wolves.

**Powerguy**

Red Corsair wrote:
Frozocrone wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
10 windriders all with SL
10 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL
5 windriders all with SL

1080pts LOL

Crap, how will I ever manage to eek out some fire support with only 770 pts left over.....

Ridiculous.

Wait so Windriders w/ SL aren't restricted to that one per three models like the current Shuriken Cannon?

Oh my days..

According to WD posessors they aren't. Which is beyond stupid. That will require a same day FAQ/Errata or need to be flat out banned if it is true.

Has anyone seen the actual codex? I am wondering if this is just a White Dwarf misprint, where the preview rules have been screwed up. Most Eldar players know the power of spamming S6 shooting, and with this change you can do it even more effectively that before. Seriously why would you ever take Guardians or Avengers when you can take Jetbikes with that much firepower (which are more mobile and more durable).

streetsamurai wrote:
Damn, these jetbikes are ugly as hell. They're barely an improvement over the old horrible ones.

Autarch is cool though

The Bikes are a bit nicer, the main improvement is the riders (who were absolutely terrible before). Also nice to finally get a Warlock/Farseer on Jetbike kit.

**Zewrath**

What's next? Drop tacticals to 10 ppm, free drop pod and every model can replace their bolter with a plasma-/melta gun?

**Lythrandire Biehrellian**

Thud wrote:
From Marneus41 on Warseer on the formations;

There are 3 different choice for guardian host :

- Guardian Battlehost ( 1 farseer, 3 unit guardian defenders, 1 Vyper squadron, 1 unit War walkers, 1 Vaul's Wrath Support Battery and 0-1 Warlock conclave)

- Windrider host (1 farseer, 1 warlock conclave, 3 unit Windriders, 1 Vyper squadron)

- Guardian storm host ( 1 farseer, 3 unit storm guardian , 1 Vyper squadron, 1 unit War walkers, 1 Vaul's Wrath Support Battery and 0-1 Warlock conclave

and

You need at least one of those formations to unlock the other one :

0-3 Regent of the warhost :
- Heroes of the craftworlds (1 Autarch or Yriel or Eldrad or Illic
- Seer council : 2 farseers (1 can be Eldrad, 1 warlock conclave
- living legends : 1 avatar or 1 of the phoenix lords

1-12 formation for each guardian ost
- outcasts : 1 unit Rangers
- crimson death : 3 crimson hunters
- dire avenger shrine : 3 unit Dire Avengers
- wraith host : 1 Spiritseer, 3 unit Wraith guards/blades (any combinaison), 1 Wraithlord, 1 Wraith Knight
- aspect host : 3 unit aspect warriors (any combinaison)
- wraith-construct :1Hemlock or 1 Wraithlord or 1 Wraithknight
- engines of vaul : 1 unit of Night Spinner or 1 unit of Fire Prism or 1 unit of Falcon

Well, I hope they dropped the unit size for guardians down to 5-20, otherwise those formations would have eldar outnumbering most of their opponents! Why would the storm version be the one with artillery pieces? Farseers are rare, why is there guaranteed to be at least one in every army?

The core formations seem a bit stretched, the sheer number of guardians necessary to field the special detachment flies right in the face of everything they have ever said about how the eldar wage war. The guardians are a last resort option when they absolutely have to use them, not piling onto the field en mass. Are we getting this much info from the magazine, or do they have the codex?

**Red Corsair**

I hope its a misprint but I doubt it. Usually they just copy paste it into WD from the actually book entry now that they use data card entriers.

**Thud**

Vector Strike wrote:
Zewrath wrote:
By the fething Emperor! Seriously, aside from 1 edition in 5th, why the actual hell does GW insist on making Eldar so stupidly OP? I've literally never seen anything so stupid being released since the 3rd edition Blood Angels Rhino rush. I mean come on, I've seen so many Eldar players getting so much gak from playing their armies and they always put that 1 or maybe 2 Wave Serpent on the table with that apologetic look on their face, I honestly feel sorry for them.

I have a theory that Eldar is Jervis Johnson son's army. His second army is Space Wolves.

Almost. Phil Kelly plays (and loves) Eldar, and has been the lead on all Eldar codices since 3rd edition (at least) and is probably the guy behind this one as well. Back when the studio guys were still allowed to mingle with the riff-raff...errh... customers he'd even go to tournaments with his Ulthwe army.

**Frozocrone**

Zewrath wrote:
By the fething Emperor! Seriously, aside from 1 edition in 5th, why the actual hell does GW insist on making Eldar so stupidly OP? I've literally never seen anything so stupid being released since the 3rd edition Blood Angels Rhino rush. I mean come on, I've seen so many Eldar players getting so much gak from playing their armies and they always put that 1 or maybe 2 Wave Serpent on the table with that apologetic look on their face, I honestly feel sorry for them.

I've never minded one or two Wave Serpents, they are the best unit (in their 6th ed Codex) and far be it from me to deny them their best unit when I run 2-3 Flyrants.

I may have second thoughts if Jetbikes become the new hotness. Extremely fast Objective Secured w/ 40 S6 shots for 220 points sounds...disgusting. Can't even play to Objectives.

Never the less I will reserve judgement until I have seen the rules for them.

**pretre**

Those formations seem pretty restrictive except the wind rider.

**Red Corsair**

pretre wrote:
Those formations seem pretty restrictive except the wind rider.

True, too bad thats the best one right?

**WrentheFaceless**

Yea that type of shooting for that price on that resilient of a unit.

All hail our Eldar overlords...again

**Mr.Church13**

Well. New bikes aside, it's unfortunate I was right. Jetbikes are uber powered. WS will take a hit with the nerf bat. And besides the occasional WK the rest of the dex will do what it does best. Gather shelf dust.

**Frozocrone**

I feel sorry for all the power gamers that have just spent their wallets on Necrons XD

**streetsamurai**

maybe they nerfed the scatter laser even more than simply by removing laser lock.

Though, to be honest, after the ridiculously op necron codex, nothing surprises me anymore.

**Frozocrone**

streetsamurai wrote:
maybe they nerfed the scatter laser even more than simply by removing laser lock.

Though, to be honest, after the ridiculously op necron codex, nothing surprises me anymore.

I should hope so. I would like less shots, say two. Three is pushing it a bit. I don't care if they remove TL from the Scatter Laser, Farseers have access to Prescience

**Mr.Church13**

Eldar do have a history of a mostly weak codex with one or two seriously powerful units. Just ask my Howling Banshees they've turned from pewter to stone.

**Red Corsair**

I keep trying to find reasonable counters to those bikes, but honestly for their cost, there are none. A drop pod full of hate ends up costing more then a 10 man scatrider unit and generally won't kill it. 27ppm for space marine durability, with a jink save, all on the highest mobility available in the game with heavy support weaponry and Obsec just to rub it in is so far sideways it's actually kind of hilarious.

btw I think scatrider is an appropriate name for them lol

Automatically Appended Next Post:

streetsamurai wrote:
maybe they nerfed the scatter laser even more than simply by removing laser lock.

Though, to be honest, after the ridiculously op necron codex, nothing surprises me anymore.

I hope that there are different varieties of SL. But who are we kidding, this is desperation, hoping there is some sign of balance.

**Powerguy**

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Well. New bikes aside, it's unfortunate I was right. Jetbikes are uber powered. WS will take a hit with the nerf bat. And besides the occasional WK the rest of the dex will do what it does best. Gather shelf dust.

Even if the Serpent doesn't take any other nerfs (beyond the loss of Laser Lock, which is a big deal) it wouldn't matter, even the existing unnerfed Serpent is a tough sell over 40 S6 shots per turn.

**Frozocrone**

GW marketing team thought process:
'Uhh boss, no-one is buying Windriders!'
'Give them a scatter laser! No, give them two! What the heck, give them all scatter lasers!'

**SirDonlad**

Hmmm. 60" range shooting sheild in the last 'dex - every bike having a scatter laser in this one; really feels like these rules were brought on by a typo and left there by a comitee.

any news on how many wounds the WK has now? or it's armour save?

**Torga_DW**

Powerguy wrote:

Has anyone seen the actual codex? I am wondering if this is just a White Dwarf misprint, where the preview rules have been screwed up. Most Eldar players know the power of spamming S6 shooting, and with this change you can do it even more effectively that before. Seriously why would you ever take Guardians or Avengers when you can take Jetbikes with that much firepower (which are more mobile and more durable).

GW is releasing a new jetbike kit. Why would they want you buying guardians or avengers instead of jetbikes?

**Red Corsair**

SirDonlad wrote:
Hmmm. 60" range shooting sheild in the last 'dex - every bike having a scatter laser in this one; really feels like these rules were brought on by a typo and left there by a comitee.

any news on how many wounds the WK has now? or it's armour save?

At this rate I wouldn't bat an eye if someone said WK were available in units of 1-3

**Vector Strike**

AS posted by Eluji, Scatter Laser remained more or less the the same: S6 AP6 Heavy 4

**Red Corsair**

Vector Strike wrote:
AS posted by Eluji, Scatter Laser remained more or less the the same: S6 AP6 Heavy 4

Yea, you will see nothing but those units at tournaments by hardcore gamers.

I can see a CAD with dual jetseers and 40 or so bikes + a new gargant WK lol