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**Cieged**

Thairne wrote:
Please explain to me that a roll of a double 6 on a Wraithguard can instakill my Landraider and that AP- is somehow the redeeming factor

Ah, that's a good point. Land raiders wouldn't be winning tournaments anymore. Good catch!

**Bharring**

Per leaks, it looks like fluffy Iyanden may not be battle forged at all. Wraiths will be Elites, almost certainly, and the new formation requires Guardians of some flavor.

So pure Spirit Host will likely be Unbound, which is even less accepted than Ranged D.

At least pure Swordwind can still do CAD (unless DAs are Elites now, but I doubt that)

**warboss**

Spoletta wrote:
9unit9 wrote:
That being said I do play Eldar, (4xSpiritseers, Wraithguard/Blades, 2 Serpents, Wraithknight, 2xWraithlords). I wont modify my list much I reckon, no bikes for me as it don't really fit my theme...

If someone refuses to play me then that is the kind of player I don't really want to know. I look at the big thing on the table as a challenge (be it a Knight (or 5!!!), GMC or Baneblade variant, even have a Fellblade in my local gaming group)

So bring it on...

Too bad that eldar list is now unbound.

I would assume his viewpoint of "I don't want to know you" extends to those who want more than the lipservice of balance and organization that unbound presents.

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Cieged wrote:
Thairne wrote:
Please explain to me that a roll of a double 6 on a Wraithguard can instakill my Landraider and that AP- is somehow the redeeming factor

Ah, that's a good point. Land raiders wouldn't be winning tournaments anymore. Good catch!

Have they been? I haven't seen anyone complaining about land raider spam since 4th edition.

**reds8n**

We seem to have taken something of a diversion there a few pages back, it'd be better all around if we perhaps took the enthralling analysis and yelling at each other elsewhere and left this thread free for the actual news/rumours people are so keen to read.

Thank you.

**Sarigar**

pretre wrote:
Sarigar wrote:
pretre wrote:
At least the D part will be relatively low impact, since I imagine a lot of events are going to go with the 'No ranged D' thing.

I predict they will have to revisit this unless they are prepared to start banning units wholesale. It's fairly difficult to tell someone who has a fluffy Iyanden army they can't play.

Not really that difficult when that fluffy Iyanden army has twenty to thirty D weapons in it. It's either that or lose serious other attendance when the first ITC event has a top 10 of Eldar.

And he gets rolled by a Greentide list who doesn't care about massed Str D. I doubt very much it would lose much attendance. But, I can appreciate all the anger as most folks were praying Eldar got nerfed, but learning that may not be the case.

**fidel**

Here Reds8n - we have been debating it here - so if you guys want move that discussion over here

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/644658.page

**Clockwork Iron**

Okay so it looks like i'll never play eldar players ever, lol. And gw was doing so well with skitarii, they looked balanced, unique and fun. Good things my local store will most likely just ban all this nonsense from tournaments.

**Apologist**

Caederes wrote:
As far as Wraithguard are concerned, before you start laughing, why not check the facts?
The White Dwarf article states that all Distortion weapons are Destroyer weapons. All Wraithguard weapons are Distortion weapons as of the 6th Edition codex. Put two and two together.

While true, there's nothing that prevents them 'soft-changing' Wraithguard weaponry in the new Codex. They wield a Wraithcannon; which may well not 'count' as a D-weapon, despite the background. Just look at how Tau Broadsides' guns changed from Railcannons; or how Veterans turned into Sternguard and Vanguard for some examples of how the rules can streamline or diversify old truths.

The D-scythe is on the sprues, but there's nothing stopping them from changing the name in the Codex to 'Wraithscythe' or altering the background to say D-scythes use similar technologies to D-cannons, but not of the same magnitude.

I can quite believe the aircraft and Wraithknight get general access to D-weapons; I suspect there'll be a twist that stops Wraithguard getting 'em. Of course, that's nothing more than supposition on my part, but I'm not going to get my bionics in a twist just yet

**Requizen**

TheNewBlood wrote:
As I've said before in other threads, we don't have the full amount of information yet. Also, Hanlon's razor forces me to assume incompetence on GW's part in the WD article. We get to malice if the codex comes out and the offending rules are still like this. I'm willing to be that the "Any" is a misprint and that regular Wraithguard will receive a different sort of weapon to keep them about in the same place in terms of power.

Thud wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
D weapons on regular units goes too far. It is no longer only hurting the tourney scene like the cent star, it completely blasts any casual game involving eldar.

I'm going to wait for the exact rules and points costs, but if things stay as they are then GW officially eliminated a faction from the game.

As an Eldar player, this is what annoys me the most. All my favourite units, including the jetbikes I've been eagerly awaiting for years, are pretty much off limits if I actually want someone to play against me outside of a tournament. And in addition, if Eldar remains the undisputed super-cheese army, I get to look forward to potential opponents scrutinizing and feeling entitled to approve my army list before every game, so if I make my list more powerful than an undisclosed limit I get to be the douche no one wants to play. Hooray!

My thoughts exactly. Exalted. I used to only bring two Wave Serpents to regularly get pickup games. What now? Limits on jetbikes? Saim-Hann players are probably weeping tears of anger for the amount of cheese people will attribute to their favorite army. To everyone complaining about Eldar ITT, your complaints are valid, but think of it like this: if your army was suddenly thought of as being so cheesy that nobody in their right mind would play it, how many games would you get even if you didn't use the cheese?

Also, the blatant moneygrab on GW's part for the detachments also makes me mad. They're throwing together all of the sub-optimal units that WAAC cheesemongers didn't buy into one formation as the core. I'm better positioned than most, but I'll still need to pick up Vypers and Vaul's Wrath just to run it. For me, the detachment won't be useful unless the benefits were made of unused spirit stones.

And how many people would still complain about "the elf cheese"?

There's no problem imo with regular bikes. They've always been good, and now they're about the same as ever. I doubt anyone would have a problem if you had one or two SLasers and the rest were just normal bikes, just like one or two Wave Serpents were acceptable.

**JohnnyHell**

Eldar thread: godsdammit why all the D weapons?
Forgeworld thread: Ooh, Warlord Titans...

**Spoletta**

Requizen wrote:
TheNewBlood wrote:
As I've said before in other threads, we don't have the full amount of information yet. Also, Hanlon's razor forces me to assume incompetence on GW's part in the WD article. We get to malice if the codex comes out and the offending rules are still like this. I'm willing to be that the "Any" is a misprint and that regular Wraithguard will receive a different sort of weapon to keep them about in the same place in terms of power.

Thud wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
D weapons on regular units goes too far. It is no longer only hurting the tourney scene like the cent star, it completely blasts any casual game involving eldar.

I'm going to wait for the exact rules and points costs, but if things stay as they are then GW officially eliminated a faction from the game.

As an Eldar player, this is what annoys me the most. All my favourite units, including the jetbikes I've been eagerly awaiting for years, are pretty much off limits if I actually want someone to play against me outside of a tournament. And in addition, if Eldar remains the undisputed super-cheese army, I get to look forward to potential opponents scrutinizing and feeling entitled to approve my army list before every game, so if I make my list more powerful than an undisclosed limit I get to be the douche no one wants to play. Hooray!

My thoughts exactly. Exalted. I used to only bring two Wave Serpents to regularly get pickup games. What now? Limits on jetbikes? Saim-Hann players are probably weeping tears of anger for the amount of cheese people will attribute to their favorite army. To everyone complaining about Eldar ITT, your complaints are valid, but think of it like this: if your army was suddenly thought of as being so cheesy that nobody in their right mind would play it, how many games would you get even if you didn't use the cheese?

Also, the blatant moneygrab on GW's part for the detachments also makes me mad. They're throwing together all of the sub-optimal units that WAAC cheesemongers didn't buy into one formation as the core. I'm better positioned than most, but I'll still need to pick up Vypers and Vaul's Wrath just to run it. For me, the detachment won't be useful unless the benefits were made of unused spirit stones.

And how many people would still complain about "the elf cheese"?

There's no problem imo with regular bikes. They've always been good, and now they're about the same as ever. I doubt anyone would have a problem if you had one or two SLasers and the rest were just normal bikes, just like one or two Wave Serpents were acceptable.

Unfortunately what usually happens is:

You got 1 OP unit in the codex ---> You are that guy if you play that codex

Try asking that to any tyranid player, they got one model overshadowing all the others and the rest of the codex on an average/low level. Even if you fetch a win without using a single flyrant you still won thanks to the FOTM.

**Caederes**

Apologist wrote:
Caederes wrote:
As far as Wraithguard are concerned, before you start laughing, why not check the facts?
The White Dwarf article states that all Distortion weapons are Destroyer weapons. All Wraithguard weapons are Distortion weapons as of the 6th Edition codex. Put two and two together.

While true, there's nothing that prevents them 'soft-changing' Wraithguard weaponry in the new Codex. They wield a Wraithcannon; which may well not 'count' as a D-weapon, despite the background. Just look at how Tau Broadsides' guns changed from Railcannons; or how Veterans turned into Sternguard and Vanguard for some examples of how the rules can streamline or diversify old truths.

The D-scythe is on the sprues, but there's nothing stopping them from changing the name in the Codex to 'Wraithscythe' or altering the background to say D-scythes use similar technologies to D-cannons, but not of the same magnitude.

I can quite believe the aircraft and Wraithknight get general access to D-weapons; I suspect there'll be a twist that stops Wraithguard getting 'em. Of course, that's nothing more than supposition on my part, but I'm not going to get my bionics in a twist just yet

Errrr......clearly you haven't seen that picture I found.

**Matt.Kingsley**

TheNewBlood wrote:
Thud wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
D weapons on regular units goes too far. It is no longer only hurting the tourney scene like the cent star, it completely blasts any casual game involving eldar.

I'm going to wait for the exact rules and points costs, but if things stay as they are then GW officially eliminated a faction from the game.

As an Eldar player, this is what annoys me the most. All my favourite units, including the jetbikes I've been eagerly awaiting for years, are pretty much off limits if I actually want someone to play against me outside of a tournament. And in addition, if Eldar remains the undisputed super-cheese army, I get to look forward to potential opponents scrutinizing and feeling entitled to approve my army list before every game, so if I make my list more powerful than an undisclosed limit I get to be the douche no one wants to play. Hooray!

My thoughts exactly. Exalted. I used to only bring two Wave Serpents to regularly get pickup games. What now? Limits on jetbikes? Saim-Hann players are probably weeping tears of anger for the amount of cheese people will attribute to their favorite army. To everyone complaining about Eldar ITT, your complaints are valid, but think of it like this: if your army was suddenly thought of as being so cheesy that nobody in their right mind would play it, how many games would you get even if you didn't use the cheese?

I experienced this twice: the beginning of 6th when CronAir was the main power and when the 7th Ed. Necron 'dex came out. I feel your pain, it sucks. I don't even attempt to use be really bad cron list anymore because people hate them so much.

If you play orks, though, everyone loves you

**Requizen**

Caederes wrote:
Apologist wrote:
Caederes wrote:
As far as Wraithguard are concerned, before you start laughing, why not check the facts?
The White Dwarf article states that all Distortion weapons are Destroyer weapons. All Wraithguard weapons are Distortion weapons as of the 6th Edition codex. Put two and two together.

While true, there's nothing that prevents them 'soft-changing' Wraithguard weaponry in the new Codex. They wield a Wraithcannon; which may well not 'count' as a D-weapon, despite the background. Just look at how Tau Broadsides' guns changed from Railcannons; or how Veterans turned into Sternguard and Vanguard for some examples of how the rules can streamline or diversify old truths.

The D-scythe is on the sprues, but there's nothing stopping them from changing the name in the Codex to 'Wraithscythe' or altering the background to say D-scythes use similar technologies to D-cannons, but not of the same magnitude.

I can quite believe the aircraft and Wraithknight get general access to D-weapons; I suspect there'll be a twist that stops Wraithguard getting 'em. Of course, that's nothing more than supposition on my part, but I'm not going to get my bionics in a twist just yet

Errrr......clearly you haven't seen that picture I found.

I'm not all that surprised. When people saw that the Necron's Reanimation Protocols was only ignored by D-weapons, I mentioned something to the effect that we would see more in the future (don't remember if it was on here or another forum).

The release schedule that has been surprisingly correct so far puts a new Space Marines codex out this year, with the possibility of CSM, DA, and Tau as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the new power level of the game when they come out.

**TheCustomLime**

If D is for "D-weapon", are demolisher cannons going to become Destroyer too? If so, I would be allll for that. Heck, why not make all guns that start with the letter "D" a destroyer weapon?

**Requizen**

TheCustomLime wrote:
If D is for "D-weapon", are demolisher cannons going to become Destroyer too? If so, I would be allll for that. Heck, why not make all guns that start with the letter "D" a destroyer weapon?

Tyranid Devourer Termagants suddenly became very scary

**Verviedi**

TheCustomLime wrote:
If D is for "D-weapon", are demolisher cannons going to become Destroyer too? If so, I would be allll for that. Heck, why not make all guns that start with the letter "D" a destroyer weapon?

Devourers?

**TheCustomLime**

Why not? It makes just as much sense as making Distortion weapons Destroyer.

**SarisKhan**

Verviedi wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
If D is for "D-weapon", are demolisher cannons going to become Destroyer too? If so, I would be allll for that. Heck, why not make all guns that start with the letter "D" a destroyer weapon?

Devourers?

D-evourers, now boasting 3 Strength D AP- shots.

**Chad Warden**

Requizen wrote:

The release schedule that has been surprisingly correct so far puts a new Space Marines codex out this year, with the possibility of CSM, DA, and Tau as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the new power level of the game when they come out.

How long have people been saying that? When does it ever pan out?

**Requizen**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Why not? It makes just as much sense as making Distortion weapons Destroyer.

Distortion weapons literally teleport chunks of reality into the Warp. Sound pretty Destroyer-esque to me.

**Apologist**

Caederes wrote:
Apologist wrote:
I can quite believe the aircraft and Wraithknight get general access to D-weapons; I suspect there'll be a twist that stops Wraithguard getting 'em. Of course, that's nothing more than supposition on my part, but I'm not going to get my bionics in a twist just yet

Errrr......clearly you haven't seen that picture I found.

Hat firmly eaten!

**TheCustomLime**

Requizen wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
Why not? It makes just as much sense as making Distortion weapons Destroyer.

Distortion weapons literally teleport chunks of reality into the Warp. Sound pretty Destroyer-esque to me.

And Baneblade cannons fire massive rocket propelled shells to blow the ever loving crap out of whatever they are being pointed at. A Distortion weapon may teleport a chunk out of a tank to disable it. A Baneblade cannon will just blow up the tank into a million pieces. Destroyer-weapons should be reserved for the biggest and most destructive weaponry in 40k. Sure, you can justify it in the lore but it's just bad game design to give superheavy like firepower to just regular guys such as Wraithguard.

**Mymearan**

Chad Warden wrote:
Requizen wrote:

The release schedule that has been surprisingly correct so far puts a new Space Marines codex out this year, with the possibility of CSM, DA, and Tau as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the new power level of the game when they come out.

How long have people been saying that? When does it ever pan out?

Also the Skitarii codex just came out and is most certainly not on this power level.

**Requizen**

Mymearan wrote:
Chad Warden wrote:
Requizen wrote:

The release schedule that has been surprisingly correct so far puts a new Space Marines codex out this year, with the possibility of CSM, DA, and Tau as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the new power level of the game when they come out.

How long have people been saying that? When does it ever pan out?

Also the Skitarii codex just came out and is most certainly not on this power level.

Skitarii is to Militarum Tempestus as AdMech is to Astra Militarum. While Astra Militarum isn't a particularly OP book, it is head and shoulders stronger than Militarum Tempestus.

**Chad Warden**

Well we just had Khorne Daemonkin and that changed barely anything from the equivalent units in CD and CSM, so I dont see those updated anytime soon, and if they are it would be the exact same profiles.

**Red Corsair**

Chad Warden wrote:
Well we just had Khorne Daemonkin and that changed barely anything from the equivalent units in CD and CSM, so I dont see those updated anytime soon, and if they are it would be the exact same profiles.

They completely removed demonic instability. that is huge bud.

**warboss**

And you get free new and improved bloodthirsters that you paid no points for. That sounds significant too.

**Anglacon**

TheCustomLime wrote:
If D is for "D-weapon", are demolisher cannons going to become Destroyer too? If so, I would be allll for that. Heck, why not make all guns that start with the letter "D" a destroyer weapon?

Dark Lances and Disintegrators...
The Dark Eldar approve of this line of thinking....

**Mr Morden**

Anglacon wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
If D is for "D-weapon", are demolisher cannons going to become Destroyer too? If so, I would be allll for that. Heck, why not make all guns that start with the letter "D" a destroyer weapon?

Dark Lances and Disintegrators...
The Dark Eldar approve of this line of thinking....

Da Gunz for da Orkz