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If the FAQs and Errata docs are anything to go by, they're just random tweaks that no-one seems to ask for lol.


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 Wilson wrote:

Bit late to the party mate.

Not really. There weren't really any images saying if they were Windriders, or just your bog standard Jetbike squad.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
If the FAQs and Errata docs are anything to go by, they're just random tweaks that no-one seems to ask for lol.


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 Wilson wrote:

Bit late to the party mate.

Not really. There weren't really any images saying if they were Windriders, or just your bog standard Jetbike squad.

Wind riders is just the name for the jetbike squad. But I hadn't seen that photo before so thanks for posting it anyway.

I thought Wind Riders was a Saim Hann thing?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
If the FAQs and Errata docs are anything to go by, they're just random tweaks that no-one seems to ask for lol.


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 Wilson wrote:

Bit late to the party mate.

Not really. There weren't really any images saying if they were Windriders, or just your bog standard Jetbike squad.

Actually, we have had lots of those images since the first leaks. Also Windriders = bog standard jetbike squad. It's just their name.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I thought Wind Riders was a Saim Hann thing?

Nah, the entry in the codex is 'Windrider Jetbike Squad' or something very close.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I thought Wind Riders was a Saim Hann thing?

Wild Riders were a Saim Hann thing. Wind Riders exist on all Craftworlds.

Watch the Windrider formation be re-rollable jink.

Liking the Jetbikes enough to pick up a box to add to my small Eldar collection.

Sticking with shuri cats though. Scatter Laser just looks wrong.

So, is Eldar: Craftworlds a codex to replace Eldar (soz for my lack of know whats)?

 jackblg wrote:
So, is Eldar: Craftworlds a codex to replace Eldar (soz for my lack of know whats)?

yes.

Has anything been mentioned in this trainwreck of a thread about what has happened to Shining Spears? It's pretty odd that they're not a dual-kit with Windriders, but they are still listed in the WD formations.

Perhaps something for next week?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
I'm sorry, I must interject here by saying I think it's hilarious people are calling them "scatriders" if one understands what the word "scat" means irl. lol.

Sorry for a bit of adult humor, but why couldn't we call them las-riders? I think it gets the point across?

Either way, I might pick up a few kits and the codex to make a new army.

I coined it first and was fully aware of the meaning behind the term scat Which was why I thought it was so apropos.

 Sir Arun wrote:
The only thing annoying about scatbikes is that they can claim objectives halfway across the board and are obsec on top.

Do we know if they are still Troops choices or put into Fast Attack?

 D6Damager wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
The only thing annoying about scatbikes is that they can claim objectives halfway across the board and are obsec on top.

Do we know if they are still Troops choices or put into Fast Attack?

Troops from what we have seen.

 D6Damager wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
The only thing annoying about scatbikes is that they can claim objectives halfway across the board and are obsec on top.

Do we know if they are still Troops choices or put into Fast Attack?

Still troops I believe.

I was initiallly in the OMG world is ending camp.

However after completing my Ice bucket challenge and listening to some of the points I can see how while it would be difficult for the eldar to maintain that level of fire power. If they are jinking they cant shoot. Otherwise they die like marines, and as we know, marines die quick. With good terrain(even having JSJ) and it is going to be hard to get LOS with that many bike models as well as hide that many bike models.

I think that I will have to wait and see on the D weapons but I think as long as the wave serpent gets shut down, even with the D-weapons I will have to see what happens as well as how the points pan out.

The bikes (and eldar as a whole) cant do EVERYTHING at once. They cant keep OS and take a bunch of wraithknights, they cant have a jink save AND have overwhelming firepower. So on and so forth.

I am still skeptical, but I can see it having so many holes(and I have already found some hard counters) that I doubt it will dominate the tournament scene. Wave serpents made it so unskilled players could do okay, but would fall apart when their counter showed up, I think bikes will be the same considering the amount of terrain I see now-a-days.

Also one of my friends told me to quit being a little bitch and start thinking about how to solve the problem instead of bitching about the problem.

 Accolade wrote:

Sunhero wrote:
Its been two days and you scrubs are still wetting your selves over the jet bikes.
people have given plenty reasonable counters

This has always been my favorite part of the 40k hobby- watching people personally insult others when they have complaints about the game. I'm not sure what exactly it is about 40k that really brings this behavior out, but it's always so classic.

It's not just 40K, it's just about EVERY online forum, gaming-related or not.

 Leth wrote:
I was initiallly in the OMG world is ending camp, and I am still skeptical.

However after completing my Ice bucket challenge and listening to some of the points I can see how while it would be difficult its fire power will drop off very drastically. If they are jinking they cant shoot. Otherwise they die like marines, and as we know, marines die quick. JSJ with good terrain and it is going to be hard to get LOS with that many bike models as well as hide that many bike models.

I think that I will have to wait and see on the D weapons but I think as long as the wave serpent gets shut down, even with the D-weapons I will have to see what happens as well as how the points pan out.

The bikes (and eldar as a whole) cant do EVERYTHING at once. They cant keep OS and take a bunch of wraithknights, they cant have a jink save AND have overwhelming firepower. So on and so forth.

I am still skeptical, but I can see it having so many holes(and I have already found some hard counters) that I doubt it will dominate the tournament scene. Wave serpents made it so unskilled playsers could do okay, but would fall apart when their counter showed up, I think bikes will be the same considering the amount of terrain I see now-a-days

Hear, hear!

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Leth wrote:
I was initiallly in the OMG world is ending camp, and I am still skeptical.

However after completing my Ice bucket challenge and listening to some of the points I can see how while it would be difficult its fire power will drop off very drastically. If they are jinking they cant shoot. Otherwise they die like marines, and as we know, marines die quick. JSJ with good terrain and it is going to be hard to get LOS with that many bike models as well as hide that many bike models.

I think that I will have to wait and see on the D weapons but I think as long as the wave serpent gets shut down, even with the D-weapons I will have to see what happens as well as how the points pan out.

The bikes (and eldar as a whole) cant do EVERYTHING at once. They cant keep OS and take a bunch of wraithknights, they cant have a jink save AND have overwhelming firepower. So on and so forth.

I am still skeptical, but I can see it having so many holes(and I have already found some hard counters) that I doubt it will dominate the tournament scene. Wave serpents made it so unskilled playsers could do okay, but would fall apart when their counter showed up, I think bikes will be the same considering the amount of terrain I see now-a-days

Hear, hear!

Inportant to note that Scatter lasers are range 36 so they dont need to move around too much. You could make a mobile gun line and hop from ruin to ruin so no need to jink.

 Wilson wrote:

Inportant to note that Scatter lasers are range 36 so they dont need to move around too much. You could make a mobile gun line and hop from ruin to ruin so no need to jink.

If they want to crash into ruins, let them.

It doesn't take many casualties for Eldar to utilize their less than awesome Leadership.

@Wilson, And take dangerous terrain tests everytime you ruin hop.

quick ? when does the pre/order for the new codex go up?

If it is today, 2pm EST.

There is talk about the preorder system changing to Saturdays though.

 Leth wrote:
I was initiallly in the OMG world is ending camp.

However after completing my Ice bucket challenge and listening to some of the points I can see how while it would be difficult for the eldar to maintain that level of fire power. If they are jinking they cant shoot. Otherwise they die like marines, and as we know, marines die quick. With good terrain(even having JSJ) and it is going to be hard to get LOS with that many bike models as well as hide that many bike models.

I think that I will have to wait and see on the D weapons but I think as long as the wave serpent gets shut down, even with the D-weapons I will have to see what happens as well as how the points pan out.

The bikes (and eldar as a whole) cant do EVERYTHING at once. They cant keep OS and take a bunch of wraithknights, they cant have a jink save AND have overwhelming firepower. So on and so forth.

I am still skeptical, but I can see it having so many holes(and I have already found some hard counters) that I doubt it will dominate the tournament scene. Wave serpents made it so unskilled players could do okay, but would fall apart when their counter showed up, I think bikes will be the same considering the amount of terrain I see now-a-days.

Also one of my friends told me to quit being a little bitch and start thinking about how to solve the problem instead of bitching about the problem.

Sure. You're wrong, but sure.


Marines suck because they are slow and are limited to S4 weaponry with peak effectiveness at 12".

Eldar Jetbikes can be 48" from a target, engage at full strength and then be, on average, 43" away from said target. And if you have limited fire that can shoot effectively at 43" away at also Ap3... Then likely you're firing something with limited power. Cool, you killed a few. I won't jink as the remaining dudes still can shoot out another unit next turn.

I appreciate the last comment. It's being totally not Scrub. However, this is an instance of you'll need something that can be high volume, accurate, low AP, plentiful and both able to soak S6 and SD shots. Good luck.

And you can be the hero if you list said hard counters. Because 100+ S6 shot is about half of the Eldar army. The rest will still be nut kicking hard.

 Wilson wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Leth wrote:
I was initiallly in the OMG world is ending camp, and I am still skeptical.

However after completing my Ice bucket challenge and listening to some of the points I can see how while it would be difficult its fire power will drop off very drastically. If they are jinking they cant shoot. Otherwise they die like marines, and as we know, marines die quick. JSJ with good terrain and it is going to be hard to get LOS with that many bike models as well as hide that many bike models.

I think that I will have to wait and see on the D weapons but I think as long as the wave serpent gets shut down, even with the D-weapons I will have to see what happens as well as how the points pan out.

The bikes (and eldar as a whole) cant do EVERYTHING at once. They cant keep OS and take a bunch of wraithknights, they cant have a jink save AND have overwhelming firepower. So on and so forth.

I am still skeptical, but I can see it having so many holes(and I have already found some hard counters) that I doubt it will dominate the tournament scene. Wave serpents made it so unskilled playsers could do okay, but would fall apart when their counter showed up, I think bikes will be the same considering the amount of terrain I see now-a-days

Hear, hear!

Inportant to note that Scatter lasers are range 36 so they dont need to move around too much. You could make a mobile gun line and hop from ruin to ruin so no need to jink.

Right, but the thing is that if they can always take advantage of the range then you dont have enough LOS blocking. There should not be any place in a deployment zone where you should be able to see all of your opponents deployment zone if that makes sense.

I'm just going to leave this here...

Not worried about bikes, I'm more concerned about everything and its dog getting strength D weapons. I guess we'll find out next week.

Best teaser I've seen in a while.

I like how the counter argument is jinking... no one seems to remember that eldar are the best psykers in the game and there are powers that can give these guys +1 armor saves or even..... wait for it.... invisibility!

If that was a little to hard to get has anyone here heard of shadowseers... they kind of have the best primaris power in the game. 2d6x2 range for anyone trying to shoot them. So if you run static gunline eldar you can go without being shot for a few turns.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I've had problems with Eldar Windriders for a while now, with their free 3+ save. Especially when once Marines get redone, they will likely be the only troop bike unit in the game. But before, the Wave Serpent was more broken, occupyin the majority of attention. Now, with the ability to put heavy weapons on as many cheap eldar jetbikes as you please, they have gotten even more undercosted for their value, making a joke of other races troops and bike units (especially Dark Eldar. Why can't they get a heavy gun on every Reaver Jetbike if they pay the points? Why are Craftworld Eldar bikes so special?)

Has it been confirmed that Windriders are in fact Troops in the new codex? Seeing as DE reaver jetbikes are FA, maybe they moved the Windriders there as well. The new detachment doesn't likely have ObjectSec, so its largely irrelevent where the unit actually lands in the FOC.