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 Jimsolo wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Well, looks like Eldar are losing quite a bit of their psychic dice in general. Warlocks are Brotherhood of Psykers: ML1 for 1-3 Warlorkcs, ML2 for 4-6, and ML3 for 7+. They lose powers if models die and they drop to the lower ML.

I think in general, then, the Eldar Psychic phase might be toned down? Yes they manifest on a 3+, but it'll be hard to protect your Farseers and Warlocks in general, because they won't be rolling up a billion spells to pick and choose protection powers as easily. Eldar Seer Council lists are going to have a harder time. It is the case, though, that Farseers are given out like candy in the new Eldar Warhost detatchment.

The Warlocks still generate one Warp Charge point per 'lock at the beginning of the psychic phase. That's pretty sick.

not quite, they generate 1 point per 3 (1-3,4-6,7-9 etc.)

No, they actually generate 1 WC per Warlock:

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1429643191286.jpg

Also good to note that 1 single warlock can be your required HQ for a CAD. It's no 10pt DE Lhamaean, but cheap HQ non-the-less. Good thing Farseers & Autarchs are actually good choices

 Galef wrote:
No, they actually generate 1 WC per Warlock:

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1429643191286.jpg

Dammit, can't view pic. Will take your word for it, though I'm sure this was the case for something

Bwaaah! Reading comprehension fail. Of course Eldar get to bend the Brotherhood of Psykers rules... and not my poor Zoanthropes.

It is also interesting to note that if you lose enough Warlock to go down in ML, you SELECT the power that you lose, not randomly

rollawaythestone wrote:
Bwaaah! Reading comprehension fail. Of course Eldar get to bend the Brotherhood of Psykers rules... and not my poor Zoanthropes.

The whole book is crammed with special snowflake rules which would be roundly ridiculed and laughed out of the proposed rules forum.

 Eldarain wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Bwaaah! Reading comprehension fail. Of course Eldar get to bend the Brotherhood of Psykers rules... and not my poor Zoanthropes.

The whole book is crammed with special snowflake rules which would be roundly ridiculed and laughed out of the proposed rules forum.

Yup. If it weren't for all the Str D and Jetbikes, this would be an excellent [powerful] book, full of fluffy special rules. I don't think there is a bad unit in the entire book. Maybe bad in comparison to other Eldar units.. but not bad compared to units in the game generally.

 Eldarain wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Bwaaah! Reading comprehension fail. Of course Eldar get to bend the Brotherhood of Psykers rules... and not my poor Zoanthropes.

The whole book is crammed with special snowflake rules which would be roundly ridiculed and laughed out of the proposed rules forum.

This is what gets me the most.

And it's not just Eldar, Eldar simply happen to be the newest, worst expression of this. There are so many things that people defend, which had they not been printed by GW, they'd have laughed whoever suggested them out of any gaming group. But just because GW prints something, it always gets defenders.

Ehhh, they are 35 points each, 1 wound and still get a limited number of powers for the unit.

Seems kinda meh for something that dies so easily.

Just browsed the GW store and noticed a number of items got bumped up in price - Wg $60 Vyper Squad $90.

I thought they were dialing back on price increases. Bastards!

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Galef wrote:
No, they actually generate 1 WC per Warlock:

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1429643191286.jpg

Dammit, can't view pic. Will take your word for it, though I'm sure this was the case for something

The text reads:

A unit containing 1-3 Warlocks or Warlock Skyrunners is Mastery Level 1; a unit containing 4-6 is Mastery Level 2; a unit containing 7 or more is Mastery Level 7. If a unit's Mastery level is reduced as a result of models being removed as casualties, select one psychic power known to the unit for each Mastery Level lost. That power is immediately lost and cannot be used for the rest of the battle. This unit generates one Warp Charge point at the beginning of each Psychic phase for each Warlock or Warlock Skyrunner in the unit, regardless of its current Mastery Level.

 Thokt wrote:
Just browsed the GW store and noticed a number of items got bumped up in price - Wg $60 Vyper Squad $90.

I thought they were dialing back on price increases. Bastards!

Then you might want to change your country. I just looked to confirm the price hikes and prices are still $50 and $75 respectively.

 Thokt wrote:
Just browsed the GW store and noticed a number of items got bumped up in price - Wg $60 Vyper Squad $90.

I thought they were dialing back on price increases. Bastards!

Buddy... you are on the Canadian site. See the hockey stick... I mean... maple leaf... on the top right?

Edit: DAMMIT... Toofast was TOO FAST!!

Does anyone know where to find leaked pics of codex entries in ENGLISH besides that 4chan thread? He stopped posting before he got to vehicles and heavy support. I'm updating th Quartermaster template and need English names for rules and equipment,

Mymearan wrote:
Does anyone know where to find leaked pics of codex entries in ENGLISH besides that 4chan thread? He stopped posting before he got to vehicles and heavy support. I'm updating th Quartermaster template and need English names for rules and equipment,

There was a 2nd thread that completed the scans and a PDF compilation uploaded to Mediafire, but unfortunately forum rules prohibit direct linking on here:(

 Vaktathi wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
Does anyone know where to find leaked pics of codex entries in ENGLISH besides that 4chan thread? He stopped posting before he got to vehicles and heavy support. I'm updating th Quartermaster template and need English names for rules and equipment,

There was a 2nd thread that completed the scans and a PDF compilation uploaded to Mediafire, but unfortunately forum rules prohibit direct linking on here:(

Oh, sorry! Someone linked the 4chan thread here so I thought it was ok.

Mymearan wrote:


Oh, sorry! Someone linked the 4chan thread here so I thought it was ok.

I think that's like.. a second cousin or something a link to something not ok, is not ok.. But a link to a link that links something not ok is actually ok.

 krodarklorr wrote:
Yes, so strategically place your units. Feed them a chaff unit if need be. Then, no that they're within range, eat them for breakfast next turn. 135 allied points, plus, what, 210 points for the D Scythes? Yeah, lots of points down the drain. Hope whatever they killed was worth it.

Not having a crack at you in particular, but there's a common error I see people making when arguing that a powerful thing isn't actually powerful. They assume that the one facing it will be a tactical genius, who will have available the exact counter, and will perfectly execute it. Meanwhile, the player of the unit in question will simply move forward and shoot at whatever's closest, with no tactical depth, no battle plan and no awareness of enemy units that actually threaten their plan and which should be eliminated first thing.

Hey guys - I cant view 4chan due to work filters, could someone tell me if swooping hawks still have grenade packs and haywire grenades? Or has this all changed to flyer attack only? Thanks.

 DiceDH wrote:
Hey guys - I cant view 4chan due to work filters, could someone tell me if swooping hawks still have grenade packs and haywire grenades? Or has this all changed to flyer attack only? Thanks.

They still have both items. They also moved the Skyleap rule to the Swooping Hawk Wings, so an Autarch with wings joined to Swooping Hawks can join in on the fun.

 Elemental wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Yes, so strategically place your units. Feed them a chaff unit if need be. Then, no that they're within range, eat them for breakfast next turn. 135 allied points, plus, what, 210 points for the D Scythes? Yeah, lots of points down the drain. Hope whatever they killed was worth it.

Not having a crack at you in particular, but there's a common error I see people making when arguing that a powerful thing isn't actually powerful. They assume that the one facing it will be a tactical genius, who will have available the exact counter, and will perfectly execute it. Meanwhile, the player of the unit in question will simply move forward and shoot at whatever's closest, with no tactical depth, no battle plan and no awareness of enemy units that actually threaten their plan and which should be eliminated first thing.

Plus this error fails to overlook what the actual problem with the unit is.

Yes, it's an expensive ploy to get some D-scythes in a raider.
But you have to realise that these D-scythes will kill everything they come across in equal abandon.

So yes, 5 templates will kill a horde of Orks. Or Guard. Or Gaunts.

But those 5 templates will kill Meganobz, Leman Russes and Carnifexes just as easily.

Those 5 templates will kill a Stompa, Baneblade or Hierophant just as easily.

And that is the problem with a having D-templates on a unit. Upgraded with D-scythes the Wraithguard are comparable in points to a Nurgle Terminator.

I sure as hell don't see Nurgle Terminators killing things that easily.

 Toofast wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
Ah here it is. Can't tell page # because I'm looking at pdf of the ibook. It's on page 481 of the ibook.

Gargantuan creatures - shooting - When a gargantuan creature or flying gargantuan creature makes a shooting attack, it may fire each of its weapons at a different target if desired. In addition, firing ordnance weapons has no effect on a gargantuan creature or flying gargantuan creature's ability to fire other weapons. Gargantuan creatures and flying gargantuan creatures cannot fire overwatch.

What about that paragraph says you can only fire 2 weapons?

The second paragraph under the Gargantuan creature section. It says Gargantuan creatures are monstrous creatures that have additional rules and exceptions given below.


The real question is: Is the gargantuan creatures rule that says each of it's weapons may fire at a different target referring to the 2 it is allowed to fire as a monstrous creature, or does it mean it can fire every weapon it has?

By the way both interpretations are completely valid, as the language used can literally mean both ways.

Maybe this one should go to the rules discussion section, and hopefully get an FAQ.

Its a permissive ruleset. GCs have additional exceptions, one of those being it can fire each of its weapons. If it has 27 weapons, it can fire each of those weapons. Pretty clear to me. I've also never seen a single tournament FAQ interpret it any other way.

Yes it is a permissive rule set. However, you are told that Gargantuan Creatures ARE Monstrous Creatures with additional rules and exceptions. The shooting rules for Monstrous Creatures allow you to fire 2 weapons. The Gargantuan Creature rules allow you to fire each of those 2 at separate targets, and further allows them to fire ordnance weapons without restrictions.

Although, like I said before, the rule is so poorly written, it can be interpreted correctly both ways.

Redemption wrote:

 DiceDH wrote:
Hey guys - I cant view 4chan due to work filters, could someone tell me if swooping hawks still have grenade packs and haywire grenades? Or has this all changed to flyer attack only? Thanks.

They still have both items. They also moved the Skyleap rule to the Swooping Hawk Wings, so an Autarch with wings joined to Swooping Hawks can join in on the fun.

I was wondering the same, but thought... there's no way they'd give them more... I was wrong. Gladly wrong, as I LOVE hawks. Dudes who come in on wings and flood you with laser beams? Flash Gordon anyone?
Gald to see the rule moved to wings though, was annoying you couldn't bring an autarch; who is clearly as adept at using wings as his brethren but wasn't a fan of bombing dudes as he arrives.

DarkStarSabre wrote:
Plus this error fails to overlook what the actual problem with the unit is.

Yes, it's an expensive ploy to get some D-scythes in a raider.
But you have to realise that these D-scythes will kill everything they come across in equal abandon.

So yes, 5 templates will kill a horde of Orks. Or Guard. Or Gaunts.
But those 5 templates will kill Meganobz, Leman Russes and Carnifexes just as easily.
Those 5 templates will kill a Stompa, Baneblade or Hierophant just as easily.
And that is the problem with a having D-templates on a unit. Upgraded with D-scythes the Wraithguard are comparable in points to a Nurgle Terminator.
I sure as hell don't see Nurgle Terminators killing things that easily.

Its a real shame they didn't simply think up a new table for distortion. maybe we should. I mean they rip holes in the fabric of reality, surely some cool table would have been much more interesting. Flamer templates that become vortex's? original strength but they float about I dunno. But like you said, simply giving them a blanket delete weapon is not only not fun, its not even interesting game design and almost impossible to cost effectively, as its a blanket weapon. Its effectiveness is almost uniform across the board. Make it too expensive and no one brings them, make it too cheap and everyone spams them. Solution? Do something else with distortion that makes it easier to balance and more fun to play with.

 Redemption wrote:

 DiceDH wrote:
Hey guys - I cant view 4chan due to work filters, could someone tell me if swooping hawks still have grenade packs and haywire grenades? Or has this all changed to flyer attack only? Thanks.

They still have both items. They also moved the Skyleap rule to the Swooping Hawk Wings, so an Autarch with wings joined to Swooping Hawks can join in on the fun.

Thanks, Just been down to the store near where I work - He has my book but cant give it to me until Sat =(

 DiceDH wrote:
Hey guys - I cant view 4chan due to work filters, could someone tell me if swooping hawks still have grenade packs and haywire grenades? Or has this all changed to flyer attack only? Thanks.

Everything is pretty much the same or better with no point upgrade.

Hawks move 18"
They kept plasma, hawk grenade pack and haywire.
Gained the flyer attacks
Exarch is needed for herald of victory
Wings let you sky leap

They stayed the same points.

 krodarklorr wrote:

gungo wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
In a cad they are superior. But Eldar are going to be better in the special detachment I think unless you are going strictly biker crazy. The bonuses for the formations are just to good.

That's where the balance (lolz, did I just say that? ) comes into play. Necrons could spam the gak out of Wraiths if they wanted to, but the formations is just too nice. And also more restricting.

Hate to break the news to you but d scythes do d3 wounds to wraiths and ignore fnp/reanimate by default. They still have thier 3++ though. Not to mention all the basic d weapons that insta death (str10) wraiths and ignore thier invulns on a 6. Honestly though the spyder that gives RP in this formstion Will die in no time from jet bike spam or the numerous other ways elder have to kill it. Seeing as this formstion is the most op formstion and unit in any non elder dex and is utterly crapped on by elder. You are trying really hard to prove elder aren't completely overpwoered in this current dex by comparing them. Take the consensus most broken non elder unit in its best formation (even if it has a bunch of tax units and no one spams it because of that) compare it to your broken dex and realize that multiple units in your book utterly decimates it and still fail to prove your point.... Yea good job

All of you guys can continue to argue all you want. I agree the Eldar codex didn't need this stuff. But, I'm honestly planning on wiping the floor with any Eldar player that decides to bring this cheese. And to those who don't, the book looks rather balanced and still strong otherwise. Do I like Eldar? Hell no, I've hated them for the longest time. I'm just too invested into this game to rage quit, and therefor, if someone wants to tote around their high ego and cheese list, I'll build a cheese list and defeat it. Otherwise, I'll continue playing the game in the environment I enjoy.

So please, everyone keep arguing with me. Say I'm wrong, say the world is ending. Hell, I was right there with you with the release of these rumors. But it won't stop the people who really enjoy this game from chugging on. And take away the Wraithknight and jetbikes. What do Eldar have? Nothing that every army can't already deal with easily.

I'm glad you see it this way, I wish my Necron playing friend would. We've had a chat about the rumours and I've said I'd still like to use my WraithKnight and bikes, I've told him that I'm not intending to spam either. On occasion my WraithKnight and 12 Jetbikes with some warlocks in with them. He's of the opinion that he'll be shot of the board and what's the point. Even with Decurion 4+ Re-rolling 1's. If it turns out that way I'll adjust my list, I want a good game with the dice deciding not an auto win. I hope he comes round as he's my regular opponent.

Gained the flyer attacks

Does it ignore cover?

Bharring wrote:
Or, it just dawned on me, they are actually going to return to treating the Eldar the way they should be - the dying elder race, at the twilight of their existence. Strange, powerful, but failing.

Correct, their armies always field 250 points less than the opposing army (unless also Eldar) on the table. Special Rule 'Dying Race'. I don't think I've seen this one leaked yet.

 D4X wrote:

Gained the flyer attacks

Does it ignore cover?

Nope, so you can make them jink. Thing is its each hawk makes the attack, 5 pass over you get 5 haywire shots that hit on 4+

 Talys wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Galef wrote:
No, they actually generate 1 WC per Warlock:

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1429643191286.jpg

Dammit, can't view pic. Will take your word for it, though I'm sure this was the case for something

The text reads:

A unit containing 1-3 Warlocks or Warlock Skyrunners is Mastery Level 1; a unit containing 4-6 is Mastery Level 2; a unit containing 7 or more is Mastery Level 7. If a unit's Mastery level is reduced as a result of models being removed as casualties, select one psychic power known to the unit for each Mastery Level lost. That power is immediately lost and cannot be used for the rest of the battle. This unit generates one Warp Charge point at the beginning of each Psychic phase for each Warlock or Warlock Skyrunner in the unit, regardless of its current Mastery Level.

mastery Lv7?! I hope that was meant to be Mastery Lv3...

Still, with what they've done to Warlocks, I'd love to see this new style of BoP's be given to Pink Horrors and eventually to the likes of Battle Psyker squads for IG as well.