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 Talys wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:


That's almost comical.....Eldar will likely generate more WC than they will actually ever use (since they can reduce the cost of their spells and such). Of course, that means the farseer will never Perils with all those extra charges laying around.

All you need is one Culexus Assassin in range to kill all of them. If there's 10 warlocks, within 12" -- that's 30 S5AP1 attacks And then that special grenade forces a Perils of Warp.

How on earth do you get 30 shots?

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:


That's almost comical.....Eldar will likely generate more WC than they will actually ever use (since they can reduce the cost of their spells and such). Of course, that means the farseer will never Perils with all those extra charges laying around.

All you need is one Culexus Assassin in range to kill all of them. If there's 10 warlocks, within 12" -- that's 30 S5AP1 attacks And then that special grenade forces a Perils of Warp.

How on earth do you get 30 shots?

He gets 1 shot per psychic level within 12" radius (friend or foe!) + up to 3. Plus he rerolls all 1's. Hiding him behind Grey Knights can also be fun.

Animus Speculum -- Range 18 S5 AP1 Assault X, Absorbed Warp Charge

When firing an animus speculum, first add up the combined mastery levels of all Psyker units, friend or foe that are within 12" of the Culexus Assassin, and pick up that many dice. You can then add up to three more dice from your own Warp Charge pool The total number of dice in your hand is the number of shots the animus speculum now fires.

It actually fires during the Psychic phase, so you still get your shooting phase, and assault phase on top of the Speculum. And he's only 140 points. He's also Infiltrate, WS8/BS8... those 30+ shots are going to hurt. Oh yeah, and he gets to reroll all 1's on hit and wound rolls, because he is Preferred Enemy Psyker. There is no way the warlocks will survive that.

OK that's 6 shots not 30...


BTW it's only 6 if you dump 3 of your own charges (assuming you have any) into it. 3+3.

 Red Corsair wrote:
OK that's 6 shots not 30...


BTW it's only 6 if you dump 3 of your own charges (assuming you have any) into it. 3+3.

Each Mastery 3 warlock gives him 3 shots. "Add up the combined mastery levels of all Psyker units, friend or foe", is what it reads. Also, the fluff is that he absorbs those warp charges that the Psykers generate, and uses them as shots.

 Talys wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
OK that's 6 shots not 30...


BTW it's only 6 if you dump 3 of your own charges (assuming you have any) into it. 3+3.

Each Mastery 3 warlock gives him 3 shots. "Add up the combined mastery levels of all Psyker units, friend or foe", is what it reads. Also, the fluff is that he absorbs those warp charges that the Psykers generate, and uses them as shots.

But they are brotherhood of psykers.... so only a single ML3, no?

rollawaythestone wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
OK that's 6 shots not 30...


BTW it's only 6 if you dump 3 of your own charges (assuming you have any) into it. 3+3.

Each Mastery 3 warlock gives him 3 shots. "Add up the combined mastery levels of all Psyker units, friend or foe", is what it reads. Also, the fluff is that he absorbs those warp charges that the Psykers generate, and uses them as shots.

But they are brotherhood of psykers.... so only a single ML3, no?

Hmmm.. I was thinking of 2 different things, actually. Yeah, 1 Brotherhood = 1 unit. But these guys actually generate 1 warp charge for each model, regardless of mastery, and when I was thinking of the unit, I was thinking he'd get 1 shot for each warp charge generated.

I think you are correct, since the rule is by Mastery Level, not by Warp Charge generated (even though that's the fluffy description)

Edit: also, I was thinking old Warlock Council, rather than new Warlock Conclave.

 Talys wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
OK that's 6 shots not 30...


BTW it's only 6 if you dump 3 of your own charges (assuming you have any) into it. 3+3.

Each Mastery 3 warlock gives him 3 shots. "Add up the combined mastery levels of all Psyker units, friend or foe", is what it reads. Also, the fluff is that he absorbs those warp charges that the Psykers generate, and uses them as shots.

But they are brotherhood of psykers.... so only a single ML3, no?

Hmmm.. I was thinking of 2 different things, actually. Yeah, 1 Brotherhood = 1 unit. But these guys actually generate 1 warp charge for each model, regardless of mastery, and when I was thinking of the unit, I was thinking he'd get 1 shot for each warp charge generated.

I think you are correct, since the rule is by Mastery Level, not by Warp Charge generated (even though that's the fluffy description)

Edit: also, I was thinking old Warlock Council, rather than new Warlock Conclave.

It says that Warp Charges are generated regardless of Mastery Level. Whilst each model generates a Warp Charge, the unit itself is a single Master Level.

Please also note that they do not actually have the Psyker special rule, so as models they're not even psykers with a mastery level. As a *unit* they gain mastery.

 Ehsteve wrote:

It says that Warp Charges are generated regardless of Mastery Level. Whilst each model generates a Warp Charge, the unit itself is a single Master Level.

Please also note that they do not actually have the Psyker special rule, so as models they're not even psykers with a mastery level. As a *unit* they gain mastery.

Yea best case scenario is getting 3 WC's from your dice pool + 3 from a large council + any farseers also in range in the council (2 are required for the formation at least) so 3wc+3(warlocks)+6(two ML 3 farseers)=12 shots. should yield about 10 wounds before saves. If they have fortune or sanctuary or even conceal with jink your not killing more then a couple.

Yeah it's weird The Conclave has the psychic brotherhood rule and the Warlocks in the squads for upgrades have the psyker rule.

 Talys wrote:

 Thokt wrote:
Just browsed the GW store and noticed a number of items got bumped up in price - Wg $60 Vyper Squad $90.

I thought they were dialing back on price increases. Bastards!

Buddy... you are on the Canadian site. See the hockey stick... I mean... maple leaf... on the top right?

Edit: DAMMIT... Toofast was TOO FAST!!

Sometimes, it's good to be wrong.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Welp, it's confirmed. Scatterbikes for the win. http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1429643714870.jpg

Yes, let Eldar players waste their points on bringing Scat riders galore.

As GW are known for writing sloppy rules I have to wonder if any windrider might be intended to mean any one windrider rather than every windrider.
The new studio windrider models that GW have made up carry one heavy weapon per squad, which indirectly supports this.

Each bike sprue actually has all three weapon options unfortunately

Ya know, in any other situation we would be praising this like crazy.

Agsin as stated, it makes sense to have all the bits on one sprue so you dont need two separate sprues, one heavy weapons bike, one normal.
The free armament brainfart probably came later.

mr_draken wrote:

Because it is a super viable combo, especially with the formation rule and shred once per game.

Ive been thinking on this a lot, and i actually think that mass scatter (even at 4 shots) is sub optimal for the unit when shred and bladestorm are taken into context. You have to take vipers, and warlocks, and a farseer. spears for anti tank are amazing. vipers for anti tank are great (emls ona 6 viper squad, with cannons, skyfire, tank hunting and infantry destruction) leave the jetbikes to mass bladestorm whatever they can....

Shred, bladestorm, TL and 17pts is good.

4x S6, 36" range, on a jetbike for 27pts is crazy if you can spam it.

Its the range and high S which hurts, more than the 4 shots, you cant catch the jetbikes, they no longer need to close and can kill light vehicles, rear shot heavies (sometimes) kill hordes and force other stuff to make a zillion saves, and has good odds of killing most things. Cheap strength D handles the rest

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
Is it not d3+1 hull points and d3+1 wounds?

Nah, I'm pretty sure that was the old wording. I kept thinking of the Escalation book, and that even a roll of 1 is an auto-pen. My friend had to point out that is no longer the case. Phew.

Same with the Imperial Knight codex.

They both used the Apocalypse rules.

I am very thankful it's been toned down somewhat but seriously, even toned down it's not something I would have ever considered giving to an army in bulky. Mind you, I still loathe the introduction of Super-Heavies.

I agree to a certain extent. I like having the option to have an Obelisk in a regular game, as it's a very tame super heavy. But having strength D, and Stomps, and all that other crap is a bit much, especially on a spammable level.

Here's a question.

The warp spiders have a rule called 'flickerjunp' it says when they are selected as a target from a shooting attack they may make a 2D6 Jump....

.... It doesn't say it's restricted to once.... What happens if they're targeted three or four times. Can they make 3 or 4 jumps?

So I have to buy another codex. Feth.

Just finished a complete Quartermaster template for the dex including formations and sent it in. Let's see if it goes up soon!

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Here's a question.

The warp spiders have a rule called 'flickerjunp' it says when they are selected as a target from a shooting attack they may make a 2D6 Jump....

.... It doesn't say it's restricted to once.... What happens if they're targeted three or four times. Can they make 3 or 4 jumps?

That seems to be the case, god that'll be fun

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Here's a question.

The warp spiders have a rule called 'flickerjunp' it says when they are selected as a target from a shooting attack they may make a 2D6 Jump....

.... It doesn't say it's restricted to once.... What happens if they're targeted three or four times. Can they make 3 or 4 jumps?

That seems to be the case, god that'll be fun

Looks like. Additionally: Overwatch is a shooting attack, so Flickerjump is available then as well (it does not specifiy a phase in which Flickerjump is legal, only whenever the unit is made the target of a shooting attack). Might have to get Trollface decals.

DCannon4Life wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Here's a question.

The warp spiders have a rule called 'flickerjunp' it says when they are selected as a target from a shooting attack they may make a 2D6 Jump....

.... It doesn't say it's restricted to once.... What happens if they're targeted three or four times. Can they make 3 or 4 jumps?

That seems to be the case, god that'll be fun

Looks like. Additionally: Overwatch is a shooting attack, so Flickerjump is available then as well (it does not specifiy a phase in which Flickerjump is legal, only whenever the unit is made the target of a shooting attack). Might have to get Trollface decals.

Didn't even think of that.....

DCannon4Life wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Here's a question.

The warp spiders have a rule called 'flickerjunp' it says when they are selected as a target from a shooting attack they may make a 2D6 Jump....

.... It doesn't say it's restricted to once.... What happens if they're targeted three or four times. Can they make 3 or 4 jumps?

That seems to be the case, god that'll be fun

Looks like. Additionally: Overwatch is a shooting attack, so Flickerjump is available then as well (it does not specifiy a phase in which Flickerjump is legal, only whenever the unit is made the target of a shooting attack). Might have to get Trollface decals.

The wording for that is pretty poor.

So if they're directly the target--they get to Flickerjump.

Let's say ordnance scatters over them though. RAW, since they weren't the selected target--no Flickerjump!

DCannon4Life wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Here's a question.

The warp spiders have a rule called 'flickerjunp' it says when they are selected as a target from a shooting attack they may make a 2D6 Jump....

.... It doesn't say it's restricted to once.... What happens if they're targeted three or four times. Can they make 3 or 4 jumps?

That seems to be the case, god that'll be fun

Looks like. Additionally: Overwatch is a shooting attack, so Flickerjump is available then as well (it does not specifiy a phase in which Flickerjump is legal, only whenever the unit is made the target of a shooting attack). Might have to get Trollface decals.

It'll end up in the same category as jink, which half of the community is firmly convinced doesn't work during overwatch. The logic being that a "target" is only chosen during the shooting phase with a very strict reading of the rules.

I don't agree, but there it is. Something else for everyone to argue about and GW to not put in an FAQ

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Here's a question.

The warp spiders have a rule called 'flickerjunp' it says when they are selected as a target from a shooting attack they may make a 2D6 Jump....

.... It doesn't say it's restricted to once.... What happens if they're targeted three or four times. Can they make 3 or 4 jumps?

That seems to be the case, god that'll be fun

It's so nice that GW manages to maintain such a low level of rules clarity. I think it's reasonably clear that it's not NOT the intention to allow multiple jumps in a turn, because it prevents you jumping in the next movement phase, but they didn't think far enough to realise it may get targeted more than once in a phase or a turn.

Wouldnt a flickerjump move still require a dangerous terrain test each time, so a 1 in 6 chance of dying everytime they do it?

No. Using the generator to Warp Jump ignores Dangerous Terrain tests. You are still vulnerable to the snakeyes penalty.

Hi,

Just wondering when the preorders are out. As in delivered?

What day can I go and pick them up from the store?

Cheers!

 Lurker wrote:
Hi,

Just wondering when the preorders are out. As in delivered?

What day can I go and pick them up from the store?

Cheers!

You can pick them up Saturday I think. They'd have been delivered during the week (yesterday? I've got Codexes early on the Wednesday before).

It must be time to lock this thread surely?

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah it's weird The Conclave has the psychic brotherhood rule and the Warlocks in the squads for upgrades have the psyker rule.

Why is that weird? It would be pointless to have a psychic brotherhood in a squad with only 1 psyker. I fel It's to keep seer councils from being crazy powerful.

Honestly, the enclave is only brotherhood of psyckers to cut down on book keeping.

I feel like it might actually be a deliberate, sensible attempt to tone them down a bit. Yes you get a whole bunch of dice, but you DON'T get 9 attempts to fish for the spell you want. That was one of the more powerful things about them - they could almost guarantee getting particular spells.