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Yep Mantic model quality is massively inferior, to be honest when you look at PP, Infinity, any other good quality series, the pricing is relatively inline when you consider the options of the plastic kits or the general quality. The overall cost can be higher, but separately, little difference. At least the books are generally good quality - I was massively disappointed with the £50 Infinity ruleset books last Xmas as they are poor quality and cheaply done.

I'm cautious about 9th. Im hoping it is something I can really get behind but if it means portions of my Empire and Night Goblin armies become obsolete it's gonna be hard.

I have to agree yeah the latest infinity book seemed badly made

I hope the batman one is better ( red hood joker yes!)

SeanDrake wrote:
lol saying there aiming for 15yr olds is probably aiming a little high. Most of the fluff recently falls into the pre teen quality band of power rangers etc.

Building a giant cannon to shoot down a moon...yep, could be just another Power Rangers plot.

 Sigvatr wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
lol saying there aiming for 15yr olds is probably aiming a little high. Most of the fluff recently falls into the pre teen quality band of power rangers etc.

Building a giant cannon to shoot down a moon...yep, could be just another Power Rangers plot.

Be fair, Over the top seems to be an entire racial trait of the Skaven. They have a hamster wheel of death for feths sake. But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish. The Brettonian King was killed by Festus by using a rusted saw to hack off his head to wave around above his head. That is pretty hardcore.

There, have we filled out the forum bingo card yet?


To get back OT....

I'm genuinely curious about 9th, in a sort of "rubbernecking at a car crash" curious. I just want to sit back and see what the fallout from this endeavour is.

 cincydooley wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


Called it. If GW go ahead with this Faction-blob round base shenanigan plan then Mantic will just take everyone and giggle. Sure, you can use your existing army and miniatures. We don't mind. And when people want to buy new stuff? They'll buy mantic.

Why would you assume they'll buy Mantic? Is GW going to stop releasing superior models?

GW has upped their sculpting quality quite a lot in recent years but a) that has apparently not saved the game and b) the 3 reasons for GW's success in the past where more likely market monopoly/saturation (availability + lack of competition), great fluff and the hobby aspect (modular plastic).

If your comment was aimed at Mantic's often poor sculpts: I agree. But to a lesser degree that can be said about most of WHFB's basic units. At least those that have not been updated in recent years (VC, WoC, Lizards, Bret, Emp). And Mantic seems to do quite well despite the ugliness.

Price and ease of access might be more important.

migooo wrote:
I have to agree yeah the latest infinity book seemed badly made

I hope the batman one is better ( red hood joker yes!)

It's a soft cover. Less use as a doorstop perhaps, but it's ideally suited to flicking through constantly (which you will need to do when you're first getting into the game).

Also, the contents; I know this is less of an issue to people who happily snap up every new GW codex/army book because of the fancy new cover, slight stat alterations, two new pieces of artwork and all that lovely DLC, but 3rd edition is definitely an improvement over the previous editions. The rule changes were made because they were required, the result of exhaustive play-testing and community feedback, rather than at the behest of a sales team demanding that 20,000 of a new plastic kit must shift from stock.

Well I'm definitely interested in where this ends up. Sounds like there might be a market for my 8th edition rules/army books I'm selling if they depart too far.

 Pacific wrote:

migooo wrote:
I have to agree yeah the latest infinity book seemed badly made

I hope the batman one is better ( red hood joker yes!)

It's a soft cover. Less use as a doorstop perhaps, but it's ideally suited to flicking through constantly (which you will need to do when you're first getting into the game).

Also, the contents; I know this is less of an issue to people who happily snap up every new GW codex/army book because of the fancy new cover, slight stat alterations, two new pieces of artwork and all that lovely DLC, but 3rd edition is definitely an improvement over the previous editions. The rule changes were made because they were required, the result of exhaustive play-testing and community feedback, rather than at the behest of a sales team demanding that 20,000 of a new plastic kit must shift from stock.

I don't know how in the world you can say that with a straight face.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish.

Depends on what End Times fluff. It's what happens with books made by several authors. Some of the End Times stuff is pretty decent. Some of it screams Waaaaaaaard! from a country mile.

 Korinov wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish.

Depends on what End Times fluff. It's what happens with books made by several authors. Some of the End Times stuff is pretty decent. Some of it screams Cruddace! from a country mile.

Ward didn't work on the End Times stuff in all likelihood. He left GW in May 2014 and it is VERY unlikely that they had him working on End Times stuff.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish.

Depends on what End Times fluff. It's what happens with books made by several authors. Some of the End Times stuff is pretty decent. Some of it screams Cruddace! from a country mile.

Ward didn't work on the End Times stuff in all likelihood. He left GW in May 2014 and it is VERY unlikely that they had him working on End Times stuff.

Not trying to pile on Ward (silly thing to do), but didn't he have a decent amount of End Times: Khaine ascribed to him? At least, I thought that was the case.

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish.

Depends on what End Times fluff. It's what happens with books made by several authors. Some of the End Times stuff is pretty decent. Some of it screams Cruddace! from a country mile.

Ward didn't work on the End Times stuff in all likelihood. He left GW in May 2014 and it is VERY unlikely that they had him working on End Times stuff.

Not trying to pile on Ward (silly thing to do), but didn't he have a decent amount of End Times: Khaine ascribed to him? At least, I thought that was the case.

Don't know for sure; but that does not really mean anything in the end.

Khaine came out waaaaay after he was gone, and while certainly he could have written large parts of it? It's not unheard of for them to credit/blame writers that have left the company.

So how are they even doing this when the world was destroyed? Was it all some sort of dream sequence?

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish.

Depends on what End Times fluff. It's what happens with books made by several authors. Some of the End Times stuff is pretty decent. Some of it screams Cruddace! from a country mile.

Ward didn't work on the End Times stuff in all likelihood. He left GW in May 2014 and it is VERY unlikely that they had him working on End Times stuff.

Not trying to pile on Ward (silly thing to do), but didn't he have a decent amount of End Times: Khaine ascribed to him? At least, I thought that was the case.

Yep the ward was at fault for et khaine which he stated was the last thing he completely wrote for gw. He also mentioned dribbling on the pages of some of the others as well, if he did not write the moon cannon thing then it was definitely a homage to him.

I'm not sure how any recent gw fluff can be defended it's reached the point where it has become a parody of itself.
It now mostly reads as soulless reiteration of previous fluff or bad fanfic level retcons to shoehorn some crap in.

In the past 5-7 years the only advantage gw had other than being ubiquitous, is the fluff and they have gone out of the way to slaughter that like a sister of battle and bathe in it's blood.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish.

Depends on what End Times fluff. It's what happens with books made by several authors. Some of the End Times stuff is pretty decent. Some of it screams Cruddace! from a country mile.

Ward didn't work on the End Times stuff in all likelihood. He left GW in May 2014 and it is VERY unlikely that they had him working on End Times stuff.

Not trying to pile on Ward (silly thing to do), but didn't he have a decent amount of End Times: Khaine ascribed to him? At least, I thought that was the case.

Don't know for sure; but that does not really mean anything in the end.

Khaine came out waaaaay after he was gone, and while certainly he could have written large parts of it? It's not unheard of for them to credit/blame writers that have left the company.

You really like falling in that Egyptian river don'tcha Kan?

Warhammer End Times: Nagash

Warhammer End Times: Khaine

From Ward's own website bibliography

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Korinov wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish.

Depends on what End Times fluff. It's what happens with books made by several authors. Some of the End Times stuff is pretty decent. Some of it screams Cruddace! from a country mile.

Ward didn't work on the End Times stuff in all likelihood. He left GW in May 2014 and it is VERY unlikely that they had him working on End Times stuff.

Not trying to pile on Ward (silly thing to do), but didn't he have a decent amount of End Times: Khaine ascribed to him? At least, I thought that was the case.

Don't know for sure; but that does not really mean anything in the end.

Khaine came out waaaaay after he was gone, and while certainly he could have written large parts of it? It's not unheard of for them to credit/blame writers that have left the company.

You really like falling in that Egyptian river don'tcha Kan?

Warhammer End Times: Nagash

Warhammer End Times: Khaine

From Ward's own website bibliography

You understand that these books aren't written solely by one person, right?

You get that's irrelevant to the point, right?

 Azreal13 wrote:
You get that's irrelevant to the point, right?

You mean the "point" that End Times fluff is Ward's fault despite the fact that the two books he was involved in aren't the ones whose stories are complained about?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Small correction on paragraph:
"In light faction minis grail knights appear. "

Should probably say something like this instead:

- The miniatures in the light faction look like grail knights.

Close enough. At last, I can finally get my Grail/Questing Knights in plastic.

Nagash was amazing. That's a credit to Ward if he was involved. I didn't care for Khaine personally but it wasn't bad. It had some interesting moments. I just didn't remember everyone's names/couldn't keep them straight

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
You get that's irrelevant to the point, right?

You mean the "point" that End Times fluff is Ward's fault despite the fact that the two books he was involved in aren't the ones whose stories are complained about?

No, simply that "other people were involved" isn't a valid counter to "Ward was involved."

Eh, less than 3 weeks ain't so bad a wait to see what's around the corner for WHFB.

The comments I have are:
- If the skirmish rumours are true, they're still saying that for the most basic game you need to drop at least $200AUD+ on 3 units, a characters and a monster/war machine per force (excluding the starter box, which has always been relatively good value).
- The boxed contents seem tiny compared to the Island of blood which boasted double the infantry, the same amount of characters and equivalent of cavalry/monsters.
- Can only hope that unlike Dark Vengeance, the boxed set doesn't leave the original faction too far behind in the dust with new sculpts (or for too long...).
- Seems a good way to introduce players to all the basic unit types for each side (infantry, cavalry, monsters, warmachines) rather than getting into the minutia like mounted characters and skaven detachments as in Island of Blood.
- The descriptions of the models are still horribly, horribly broad ('holy warriors') when they could just be generic foot knights so they don't look pitifully outmatched by the chaos warriors.
- The description of 'Holy Warriors' almost reminds me of the unreleased Warrior Priest unit (which has an aesthetic more akin to historical dark age monks than anything unique, most likely the reason they were never released).

Rumour I keep seeing is that 9E will be scale from skirmish up to mass battle - or that mass battle will be a different ruleset, or something like that.

 cincydooley wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


Called it. If GW go ahead with this Faction-blob round base shenanigan plan then Mantic will just take everyone and giggle. Sure, you can use your existing army and miniatures. We don't mind. And when people want to buy new stuff? They'll buy mantic.

Why would you assume they'll buy Mantic? Is GW going to stop releasing superior models?

Why do you assume that GW will continue to produce certain models? When your faction gets squatted or reduced to a single unit or two in a combined faction list, the more unique units are likely to go the way of the dodo. So, once Mantic start incorporating these orphaned units in...if you want another? Well, you can either trawl e-bay and pay extortionate prices for certain things. You can beg and plead for sales. Or you can assume GW will continue to produce models that are 'squatted' or forgotten about.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


Called it. If GW go ahead with this Faction-blob round base shenanigan plan then Mantic will just take everyone and giggle. Sure, you can use your existing army and miniatures. We don't mind. And when people want to buy new stuff? They'll buy mantic.

Why would you assume they'll buy Mantic? Is GW going to stop releasing superior models?

Why do you assume that GW will continue to produce certain models? When your faction gets squatted or reduced to a single unit or two in a combined faction list, the more unique units are likely to go the way of the dodo. So, once Mantic start incorporating these orphaned units in...if you want another? Well, you can either trawl e-bay and pay extortionate prices for certain things. You can beg and plead for sales. Or you can assume GW will continue to produce models that are 'squatted' or forgotten about.

And besides, with most of the armies to be squatted, that is armies worth of collections rendered useless that mantic will make useful by way of army lists for kings of war.

Warhammer Fantasy Battle is ending as we know it and all 10 people who play it are all here bitching about it. Seriously WFB model sales must be a rounding error of Marine sales. It's clearly not a great market segment for GW.

If 9e is just LotR with Warhammery minis then I'll throw them some cash.

Iain.

Chairman Aeon wrote:
Warhammer Fantasy Battle is ending as we know it and all 10 people who play it are all here bitching about it. Seriously WFB model sales must be a rounding error of Marine sales. It's clearly not a great market segment for GW.

If 9e is just LotR with Warhammery minis then I'll throw them some cash.

Iain.

I know that my WHFB sales are nonexistent!

 cincydooley wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


Called it. If GW go ahead with this Faction-blob round base shenanigan plan then Mantic will just take everyone and giggle. Sure, you can use your existing army and miniatures. We don't mind. And when people want to buy new stuff? They'll buy mantic.

Why would you assume they'll buy Mantic? Is GW going to stop releasing superior models?

Superior models don't matter if they are incompatible with your existing armies. If I'm going to a brand new game I might as well look for superior rules.