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But they pushed the books as 'Designed for the next edition, too'...

 Flashman wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
People who shelled out for End Times books must be a bit peeved by now, I'd say.

People who shell out for rulebooks that basically tell you that they're going to end the Warhammer World as you know it thereby making this all null and void need to think more carefully about their purchases.

Or they bough them because they enjoyed them? I bought the whole set in hardback (wasn't 100% going to, the Nagash was an impulse that sucked me in) but I thoroughly enjoyed all of them except Khaine. Elvish names sound to similar and the story was a bit meh. But I think the pleasure the story gave me is worth it. Plus it was the end of the Warhammer World I'd been playing in off and on for 18 years so having the ending appealed to me

I will say anyone who bought those books thinking of them as anything other than a year long campaign was lying to themselves.

Bharring wrote:
But they pushed the books as 'Designed for the next edition, too'...

Ehh? Who did? Your FLGS owner? GW never even mentioned a next edition until they released their Age of Sigmar teaser.

The only one of the End Times books that I felt ripped off by was Khaine.

It was poorly done, and the only good things to come out of it were the new Magic rules and the revision to the crummy Forest Stalker rule Wood Elves have.

The Elf army lists were trash, the wholesale slaughter of basically every named Elf character and the convoluted(yet obvious) storyline was disappointing. It was especially irritating to me because I was not able to preorder it, on time, because of the fact that Khaine had the single lowest print run they did on the standard edition of the End Times books.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The only one of the End Times books that I felt ripped off by was Khaine.

It was poorly done, and the only good things to come out of it were the new Magic rules and the revision to the crummy Forest Stalker rule Wood Elves have.

The Elf army lists were trash, the wholesale slaughter of basically every named Elf character and the convoluted(yet obvious) storyline was disappointing. It was especially irritating to me because I was not able to preorder it, on time, because of the fact that Khaine had the single lowest print run they did on the standard edition of the End Times books.

Yeah, I only got it because it was slightly damaged (like ridiculously slight) and a guy returned it and the store owner gave him his hardback. So when the paperbacks came in he sold me the hardback for the paperback price. Which is why I don't loathe the Khaine book

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
People who shelled out for End Times books must be a bit peeved by now, I'd say.

People who shell out for rulebooks that basically tell you that they're going to end the Warhammer World as you know it thereby making this all null and void need to think more carefully about their purchases.

Or they bough them because they enjoyed them? I bought the whole set in hardback (wasn't 100% going to, the Nagash was an impulse that sucked me in) but I thoroughly enjoyed all of them except Khaine. Elvish names sound to similar and the story was a bit meh. But I think the pleasure the story gave me is worth it. Plus it was the end of the Warhammer World I'd been playing in off and on for 18 years so having the ending appealed to me

Couldn't they have done it as series of (much cheaper) novels via Black Library then?

 Flashman wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
People who shelled out for End Times books must be a bit peeved by now, I'd say.

People who shell out for rulebooks that basically tell you that they're going to end the Warhammer World as you know it thereby making this all null and void need to think more carefully about their purchases.

Or they bough them because they enjoyed them? I bought the whole set in hardback (wasn't 100% going to, the Nagash was an impulse that sucked me in) but I thoroughly enjoyed all of them except Khaine. Elvish names sound to similar and the story was a bit meh. But I think the pleasure the story gave me is worth it. Plus it was the end of the Warhammer World I'd been playing in off and on for 18 years so having the ending appealed to me

Couldn't they have done it as series of (much cheaper) novels via Black Library then?

They did, in fact a lot of the gaps in the story line are actually in the Black Library End Times series

 Kanluwen wrote:
The only one of the End Times books that I felt ripped off by was Khaine.

It was poorly done, and the only good things to come out of it were the new Magic rules and the revision to the crummy Forest Stalker rule Wood Elves have.

The Elf army lists were trash, the wholesale slaughter of basically every named Elf character and the convoluted(yet obvious) storyline was disappointing. It was especially irritating to me because I was not able to preorder it, on time, because of the fact that Khaine had the single lowest print run they did on the standard edition of the End Times books.

The only part of Khaine that I disliked was the fact that they ruined the ending by resurrecting Tyrion in End Times: Archaon. Seemed needless, until I got to the end of Archaon and he's there standing with the Everqueen in hand, watching the worlds ending come to them. Great piece of artwork.

All of the new art in the End Times books were awesome, now that I think of it.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The only one of the End Times books that I felt ripped off by was Khaine.

It was poorly done, and the only good things to come out of it were the new Magic rules and the revision to the crummy Forest Stalker rule Wood Elves have.

The Elf army lists were trash, the wholesale slaughter of basically every named Elf character and the convoluted(yet obvious) storyline was disappointing. It was especially irritating to me because I was not able to preorder it, on time, because of the fact that Khaine had the single lowest print run they did on the standard edition of the End Times books.

You go on about how bad and trashy a book is, then say you were disappointed because you couldn't pre order it?

Relapse wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The only one of the End Times books that I felt ripped off by was Khaine.

It was poorly done, and the only good things to come out of it were the new Magic rules and the revision to the crummy Forest Stalker rule Wood Elves have.

The Elf army lists were trash, the wholesale slaughter of basically every named Elf character and the convoluted(yet obvious) storyline was disappointing. It was especially irritating to me because I was not able to preorder it, on time, because of the fact that Khaine had the single lowest print run they did on the standard edition of the End Times books.

You go on about how bad and trashy a book is, then say you were disappointed because you couldn't pre order it?

Stockholm syndrome. It's not just for kidnapping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Relapse wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The only one of the End Times books that I felt ripped off by was Khaine.

It was poorly done, and the only good things to come out of it were the new Magic rules and the revision to the crummy Forest Stalker rule Wood Elves have.

The Elf army lists were trash, the wholesale slaughter of basically every named Elf character and the convoluted(yet obvious) storyline was disappointing. It was especially irritating to me because I was not able to preorder it, on time, because of the fact that Khaine had the single lowest print run they did on the standard edition of the End Times books.

You go on about how bad and trashy a book is, then say you were disappointed because you couldn't pre order it?

You understand that I was EXCITED for the book when I went to preorder it, right? That the only thing I knew about it was that it was featuring two of my favorite armies(Wood Elves and Dark Elves)?

It was not until I had the book in hand, devoured the fluff section, and then played using the armies within that I realized how disappointing it was. Considering the quality that was Glottkin and Nagash, Khaine was the standout in sucking. Khaine was also the last of the End Times books I bought as a result.

Bharring wrote:
They did make it explicit that said books would *not* be obsolete. If they hadn't, you might have a point.

But their actions of pulling all these books they say are not becoming obselete totally contradicts it. If the books werent becoming obsolete why wont they still be for sale?

zacharia wrote:
If the books werent becoming obsolete why wont they still be for sale?

It doens't really matter if they are compatible or not.

The End Times Books are supplements for the Warhammer Fantasy game that no longer exists.

They are going out of their way to re-brand and reboot as Age of Sigmar

 adamsouza wrote:

zacharia wrote:
If the books werent becoming obsolete why wont they still be for sale?

It doens't really matter if they are compatible or not.

The End Times Books are supplements for the Warhammer Fantasy game that no longer exists.

They are going out of their way to re-brand and reboot as Age of Sigmar

Which is why I'm arguing for GW to give loyal fans who bought the end times something back, like free AOS rules. Will they do it?

Silly question...

Another fruitless hour of my life wasted with GW...

-YES! This will be the biggest launch ever.
-YES! we will be supporting retailers.

..uh, no, we don't know what we are doing about the old books....even though we asked you for an inventory...

...uh, no, we don't have anything to tell you....but trust us

....uh, no. while we say we are supporting you and encouraging you to go huge with your weekend events...we don't really have anything we can say on how we are supporting you.

..Magic? What does MTG have to do with warhammer? Pre-release weekend the same week as AOS release, don't be silly, you know you love warhams.

Very Frustrating.

 mikhaila wrote:

Very Frustrating.

But unsurprising, I suspect....?

 mikhaila wrote:
Another fruitless hour of my life wasted with GW...

-YES! This will be the biggest launch ever.
-YES! we will be supporting retailers.

..uh, no, we don't know what we are doing about the old books....even though we asked you for an inventory...

...uh, no, we don't have anything to tell you....but trust us

....uh, no. while we say we are supporting you and encouraging you to go huge with your weekend events...we don't really have anything we can say on how we are supporting you.

..Magic? What does MTG have to do with warhammer? Pre-release weekend the same week as AOS release, don't be silly, you know you love warhams.

Very Frustrating.

So no launch party, then?

It cuts to the root of what I've been saying - kamikaze business practices are GW's stock in trade. My local videogame store goes crazy when a new call of duty is released. Discounts on control pads, accessories etc etc but not GW.

I'm willing to bet that if I walked into your store and spent $500 on stuff, but forgot to buy a $5 bag of dice and a paint brush, you would probably throw them in for free.

GW stores used to do that, but unfortunately, no more. Hell, they won't even do a buy 2, get one 1, on products, like they used to.

Hah, not that I'd expect GW to pay attention to what the competition is doing, but to ignore an MtG pre, especially a unique one like the upcoming Origins, is silly.

Then again, they just want stuff to sell. It doesn't really matter if anyone's playing with it, right?

So, preorder on a holiday weekend and released the same day as a big MTG preorder...

I think we can assume AoS might be DOA.

 Grimtuff wrote:
So, preorder on a holiday weekend and released the same day as a big MTG preorder...

I think we can assume AoS might be DOA.

It never occurred to me to check out what GW's opposition would be doing on that weekend. As you say, AOS could go down like the Titanic.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
So, preorder on a holiday weekend and released the same day as a big MTG preorder...

I think we can assume AoS might be DOA.

It never occurred to me to check out what GW's opposition would be doing on that weekend. As you say, AOS could go down like the Titanic.

What competition? GW has no competition. The Internet is a fad. Magic and Pokemon will die out any day. Ex employees starting their own company? Nah, not a chance.

Actually, I'm buying up fantasy to play with 6th Ed rules, and current unit prices (to make everything useable), or 8th edition full rules except 6th edition magic. Figured out how to bring my 6th edition Incredible Hulk back into my WoC list, so that kinda makes me happy.

 Grimtuff wrote:
So, preorder on a holiday weekend and released the same day as a big MTG preorder...

I think we can assume AoS might be DOA.

It's silly and unnecessary, but not backbreaking. New games don't live or die based on who bought them on the first day, not when they have a large company behind them. It will take months for AOS to propagate through the system anyway, the fact some retailers will pick MtG over GW on that particular weekend doesn't really change much in the long run.

 mikhaila wrote:
Another fruitless hour of my life wasted with GW...

-YES! This will be the biggest launch ever.
-YES! we will be supporting retailers.

..uh, no, we don't know what we are doing about the old books....even though we asked you for an inventory...

...uh, no, we don't have anything to tell you....but trust us

....uh, no. while we say we are supporting you and encouraging you to go huge with your weekend events...we don't really have anything we can say on how we are supporting you.

..Magic? What does MTG have to do with warhammer? Pre-release weekend the same week as AOS release, don't be silly, you know you love warhams.

Very Frustrating.

Do you sell Privateer Press stuf? If not already, did this make you consider selling it ?

 Grimtuff wrote:
So, preorder on a holiday weekend and released the same day as a big MTG preorder...

I think we can assume AoS might be DOA.

If AOS is a slow seller, than GW will be no worse off than they were since the initial shine wore off 8E. Except they will have far fewer SKUs to bother with. Winner!

 mikhaila wrote:
Another fruitless hour of my life wasted with GW...

-YES! This will be the biggest launch ever.
-YES! we will be supporting retailers.

..uh, no, we don't know what we are doing about the old books....even though we asked you for an inventory...

...uh, no, we don't have anything to tell you....but trust us

....uh, no. while we say we are supporting you and encouraging you to go huge with your weekend events...we don't really have anything we can say on how we are supporting you.

..Magic? What does MTG have to do with warhammer? Pre-release weekend the same week as AOS release, don't be silly, you know you love warhams.

Very Frustrating.

This must drive you absolutely up the fething wall.

I really cannot, for the life of me, understand how all of that BS cloak & dagger is good for anyone at all, lease of all GW.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
So, preorder on a holiday weekend and released the same day as a big MTG preorder...

I think we can assume AoS might be DOA.

It's silly and unnecessary, but not backbreaking. New games don't live or die based on who bought them on the first day, not when they have a large company behind them. It will take months for AOS to propagate through the system anyway, the fact some retailers will pick MtG over GW on that particular weekend doesn't really change much in the long run.

It can hurt it a lot, especially if GW is expecting it to be huge immediately, rather than have the slow build up that most smaller companies would expect.

Still, the biggest sellers of games is excited gamers, and that's what the release parties are all about.

If I were invested in AoS being a success, my concern would be slow initial sales would be interpreted as lack of demand and it being dropped by Christmas.

GW don't have the mechanisms in place to know why it sold slowly, so they'll forge their own narrative.

They're not going to cancel it that quickly. Look at Dreadfleet - AOS will last at least as long as DF did.

The rumours I've been hearing around was, basically Fantasy had until the next financial year (April) to really pick up.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
They're not going to cancel it that quickly. Look at Dreadfleet - AOS will last at least as long as DF did.

Well, that's fine then!


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 Compel wrote:
The rumours I've been hearing around was, basically Fantasy had until the next financial year (April) to really pick up.

Doesn't fit mate, GW's FY is June - May. April is just the governmental FYE, it won't have any significance for GW.

Which isn't to say that isn't the line of the sand they've drawn, but it wouldn't be because of their FYE.