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Woah, let's just go back a bit.

I've been hearing about 9th ed and my usual reaction is "brilliant, now all those army books and rules books I spent a fortune on will be obsolete again."

However from reading into 9th ed, it seems like the GW has basically said "screw Warhammer, let's make a medieval 40K with round bases like that LotR game no-one plays".

Now it's not so much the army books that are obsolete, but the hundreds of pounds worth of miniatures everyone owns, since apparently some units and even some races are being given the heave-ho.

All I can find on the net are rumours, often confusing or badly-worded. Are there any links to clear and concise explanations of what the End Times are and what's happening to Warhammer? I've been away from the fluff for a while and have no idea what's going on - just a growing sense of dread.

They killed Epic by giving it a total overhaul from Epic Space Marine into Epic Armageddon. Are they really going to take Warhammer a bridge too far?

 NoPoet wrote:
Woah, let's just go back a bit.

I've been hearing about 9th ed and my usual reaction is "brilliant, now all those army books and rules books I spent a fortune on will be obsolete again."

However from reading into 9th ed, it seems like the GW has basically said "screw Warhammer, let's make a medieval 40K with round bases like that LotR game no-one plays".

Now it's not so much the army books that are obsolete, but the hundreds of pounds worth of miniatures everyone owns, since apparently some units and even some races are being given the heave-ho.

All I can find on the net are rumours, often confusing or badly-worded. Are there any links to clear and concise explanations of what the End Times are and what's happening to Warhammer? I've been away from the fluff for a while and have no idea what's going on - just a growing sense of dread.

They killed Epic by giving it a total overhaul from Epic Space Marine into Epic Armageddon. Are they really going to take Warhammer a bridge too far?

They raged quit the big ranks of things to go do skirmish things that PP is already doing.


Oooor its there attempt at the small scale game that people can get into first before weening them into the big rank and file stuff later?

 NoPoet wrote:

All I can find on the net are rumours, often confusing or badly-worded. Are there any links to clear and concise explanations of what the End Times are and what's happening to Warhammer? I've been away from the fluff for a while and have no idea what's going on - just a growing sense of dread.

The End of Times was the end of warhammer, to simplify: almost everyone died, the world got blown up, the few survivors were thrown into alternate reality "bubbles".

As to what happens now, as you have surmised from those confusing, badly worded and often conflicting rumours, no one knows.

Well if they stick with big units, there goes what little interest I have.

Sticking with Dropzone Commander and X Wing

 NoPoet wrote:
Are there any links to clear and concise explanations of what the End Times are and what's happening to Warhammer? I've been away from the fluff for a while and have no idea what's going on - just a growing sense of dread.

To answer your question about anything solid being out there, there isn't anything yet. So far, it has been all rumor and speculation. Nothing firm has been leaked at this point except for the WD photos on the last two pages, which are just pictures of figures from ET and nothing actually to do with what is coming.

Now, some of these rumors have a bit more credibility, but there is nothing completely verified yet.

The others have explained the ET decently. The old Warhammer world was consumed by warp energy before it exploded, meaning parts of what was there was carried somewhere with it. Prior to that, the Lizardmen activated engines that flew their pyramids into space. Lots of special characters died, others were alive at the end and consumed by the warp. The Elves created some strange pocket reality that we haven't heard anything of since. The end of the last book was a comet hurtling through space, which was Sigmar. He is searching for a new place to call home, basically.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Mort wrote:

2) GW plans to 'rebox' them and lower the mini-count/up the price, as they've been so nice to do for us in the past.

This is the most likely; we know the human/chaos factions are in the starter box, so it makes sense they'll be updated somehow. I'm assuming if we're going to a smaller model count game, these boxes will be repacked into 5's for about the same price. Maybe with some cosmetic changes to make them look different to historicals?

Sounds like something they would do! Remember when you could get a huge box of Urukhai for super cheap then they halfed the number in the box but kept the same price...they've done that with 40k stuff too right?

Maybe that means get as many boxes of state troops and chaos warriors when you can!

Pretty sure they did that to Dire Avengers yeah... (they were a unit of 10 to a box when I bought them back in 5th, now 5 for sameish price).

number9dream wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Mort wrote:

2) GW plans to 'rebox' them and lower the mini-count/up the price, as they've been so nice to do for us in the past.

This is the most likely; we know the human/chaos factions are in the starter box, so it makes sense they'll be updated somehow. I'm assuming if we're going to a smaller model count game, these boxes will be repacked into 5's for about the same price. Maybe with some cosmetic changes to make them look different to historicals?

Sounds like something they would do! Remember when you could get a huge box of Urukhai for super cheap then they halfed the number in the box but kept the same price...they've done that with 40k stuff too right?

Maybe that means get as many boxes of state troops and chaos warriors when you can!

Pretty sure they did that to Dire Avengers yeah... (they were a unit of 10 to a box when I bought them back in 5th, now 5 for sameish price).

Except they also halved the unit size.

So unless you really think they're going to let you field 5 man units of Empire State Troops and 4 man units of Knights...

 NAVARRO wrote:
Reading all of that WD stuff I got exactly zero news or information.

It was not called the Net of a Million Lies for nothing.

Hold on, I get this about "reality bubbles", but why in the name of Sigmar's massive trouser-hammer would any of these bubbles ever interact and not just fly off through the universe?

I really, really like the Warhammer fluff, literally the only things stopping me from playing it were the cost of the models (but I've got loads anyway gathered over the years) and not knowing anyone who plays it, which could be easily sorted out.

I for one would not want to play a reimagined Warhammer, surely there was a better way to get back into pole position without firing the Lizardmen into a black hole, and what's going to happen with all the fluff -- could this be what the GW's freelance writing position(s) is/are for, to help forge the new world?

In which case, I still want to write for the GW more than anything, but I would struggle to trash the fluff that we all grew up with -- and I certainly wouldn't want a dumbed-down version of Warhammer.

To FW

Will there be Age of Sigmar rules for the Warhammer Forge minatures or
a larger scale battle for Age of Sigmar that will use FW minis?

From FW

Good morning,

Thanks for your email. As you can imagine we are all excited about Age of Sigmar and what it means for Warhammer Forge. At this moment in time we are unable to share information about this though, as I am sure you can understand. My advice would be to sign up to the Forge World newsletter as this is the first place you will hear anything regarding this.

The good thing is, you won't have much longer to find out!

Thanks

Well, what I heard was quite good. There will be a skirmish type game and both the good old big battles. The books are going to be redone into factions as they were in the End Times. The armies left might be combined into a book to, you'll still be able to play those armies separately. The most current army books will still be usable when the new ones come out. The rules for wood elves wont change... a lot. (maybe some new rules to go with The Age of Sigmar) All the current models will still be usable, might be that some boxes are being renamed or replaced though.

I can't say it's all real. But the source I got it from is rather reliable. So I hope it's true. Makes me rather excited. I'd like a Skirmish version.

 Kanluwen wrote:

number9dream wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Mort wrote:

2) GW plans to 'rebox' them and lower the mini-count/up the price, as they've been so nice to do for us in the past.

This is the most likely; we know the human/chaos factions are in the starter box, so it makes sense they'll be updated somehow. I'm assuming if we're going to a smaller model count game, these boxes will be repacked into 5's for about the same price. Maybe with some cosmetic changes to make them look different to historicals?

Sounds like something they would do! Remember when you could get a huge box of Urukhai for super cheap then they halfed the number in the box but kept the same price...they've done that with 40k stuff too right?

Maybe that means get as many boxes of state troops and chaos warriors when you can!

Pretty sure they did that to Dire Avengers yeah... (they were a unit of 10 to a box when I bought them back in 5th, now 5 for sameish price).

Except they also halved the unit size.

So unless you really think they're going to let you field 5 man units of Empire State Troops and 4 man units of Knights...

min da squads were for sure a thing when i bought them in 5th unless the box was from a previous edition. .. which is possible i suppose.

 NoPoet wrote:
However from reading into 9th ed, it seems like the GW has basically said "screw Warhammer, let's make a medieval 40K with round bases like that LotR game no-one plays".

Maybe in your neck of the woods, but LotR got lots of play around here probably at the expense of WHFB. It was cheap to buy into since you could play with a single box, but was crazy scalable as some tables I've seen started to look Helmdeep-ish. A lot of older historical players got into it because the LotR aesthetic was less OTT than the sometimes gonzo-ish Warhammer setting.

I personally don't like LotR as a setting and would have liked a more Warhammerish base to run LotR rules with. If AoS has the same philosophy of a more generic D&D/Tolkien setting and scalable rules like LotR then GW might have done the first good thing in ages. The fact they haven't just done a Find & Replace on LotR rulebooks also excites me because it means they are taking chances. That all being said, it doesn't mean I'll for sure buy into AoS. What it does mean is that I am paying attention to it that I never did WHFB.

Iain.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Well, what I heard was quite good. There will be a skirmish type game and both the good old big battles. The books are going to be redone into factions as they were in the End Times. The armies left might be combined into a book to, you'll still be able to play those armies separately. The most current army books will still be usable when the new ones come out. The rules for wood elves wont change... a lot. (maybe some new rules to go with The Age of Sigmar) All the current models will still be usable, might be that some boxes are being renamed or replaced though.

I can't say it's all real. But the source I got it from is rather reliable. So I hope it's true. Makes me rather excited. I'd like a Skirmish version.

I'm sort of doubting that 8th edition books will be usable. GW has pulled them from shelves in stores, is going to remove them from the website, has asked LGS to not sell them anymore and give them inventory numbers. (Although not yet promised replacement in value.)

For the 8th edition books to be usable, the systems would have to be pretty close. But GW has said that this is "not 9th edition WFB, but an entirely new system".

29th is the day I've been promised "all the answers to all my questions".

 NoPoet wrote:
Hold on, I get this about "reality bubbles", but why in the name of Sigmar's massive trouser-hammer would any of these bubbles ever interact and not just fly off through the universe?

I really, really like the Warhammer fluff, literally the only things stopping me from playing it were the cost of the models (but I've got loads anyway gathered over the years) and not knowing anyone who plays it, which could be easily sorted out.

I for one would not want to play a reimagined Warhammer, surely there was a better way to get back into pole position without firing the Lizardmen into a black hole, and what's going to happen with all the fluff -- could this be what the GW's freelance writing position(s) is/are for, to help forge the new world?

In which case, I still want to write for the GW more than anything, but I would struggle to trash the fluff that we all grew up with -- and I certainly wouldn't want a dumbed-down version of Warhammer.

Yeah in summary the fluff they left as the foundation for the new game is a total shambles. I'd agree that there was a better way for them to get back into 'pole position' without pressing the red button on the setting and narrative. The problems were with the game mechanics which were economically aimed at getting players to buy more and more boxes of troops to make viable units. Solutions could have been price reductions instead of price increases (think the Witch Elf boxset ) or just changing the rules away from 8th's need to field huge units.

I'll admit I am still waiting to see what they have done with the game's setting but I'm still to what they did at the end of Archaon.

Regarding the writers trying to forge a new world...big big ask for them to pull it off convincingly.

 NoPoet wrote:


Now it's not so much the army books that are obsolete, but the hundreds of pounds worth of miniatures everyone owns, since apparently some units and even some races are being given the heave-ho.

GW staff have been told that no miniatures (except Island of Blood) are being removed from the shelves.

Honestly, the rumours about lines being discontinued are pretty foolish- some kits probably have barely made any profit if they've been released over the past year or so.

 Lorizael wrote:

 NoPoet wrote:


Now it's not so much the army books that are obsolete, but the hundreds of pounds worth of miniatures everyone owns, since apparently some units and even some races are being given the heave-ho.

GW staff have been told that no miniatures (except Island of Blood) are being removed from the shelves.

Honestly, the rumours about lines being discontinued are pretty foolish- some kits probably have barely made any profit if they've been released over the past year or so.

And I've been told multiple times by my sales rep that all current models will be usable in AOS. Not that I take even what GW says as gospel until i see the book, but does not sound like they are purging races.

 Bottle wrote:
All the fluff is suggesting the scale will get bigger??

"Large units of models not only achievable, but also hugely desirable to model and paint"

You smoking that plastic crack now GW? Painting horde units is a chore, no matter how much you like painting.

I really hope GW aren't going to make the game bigger??? I thought we were getting a Skirmish game?

I'm really hoping it's a game that can work equally well for skirmishes and for big battles.

And if no one liked painting hordes, no one would ever play either skaven or goblins...


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 Flashman wrote:
Well if they stick with big units, there goes what little interest I have.

And if they eliminate big units they destroy my interest in it. If I was interested in skirmish games I'd already be playing Warmahordes. They can't satisfy everyone.

 mikhaila wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Well, what I heard was quite good. There will be a skirmish type game and both the good old big battles. The books are going to be redone into factions as they were in the End Times. The armies left might be combined into a book to, you'll still be able to play those armies separately. The most current army books will still be usable when the new ones come out. The rules for wood elves wont change... a lot. (maybe some new rules to go with The Age of Sigmar) All the current models will still be usable, might be that some boxes are being renamed or replaced though.

I can't say it's all real. But the source I got it from is rather reliable. So I hope it's true. Makes me rather excited. I'd like a Skirmish version.

I'm sort of doubting that 8th edition books will be usable. GW has pulled them from shelves in stores, is going to remove them from the website, has asked LGS to not sell them anymore and give them inventory numbers. (Although not yet promised replacement in value.)

For the 8th edition books to be usable, the systems would have to be pretty close. But GW has said that this is "not 9th edition WFB, but an entirely new system".

29th is the day I've been promised "all the answers to all my questions".

I'm marking my calendar...

No one's posted this?

From the Bell

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/breaking-age-of-sigmar-box-contents.html

via Steve the Warboss 6-24-2015

Age of Sigmar Contents

1x Empire General on Griffin
5x Knights of Sigmar
10x State Troops with Spears
10x State Troops with Muskets

1x Lord of Khorne on Daemonsteed
5x Chaos Knights
10x Chaos Warriors

-No small rulebook
-Full rules for all models
-Small intro of the fluff (Humans only)
-5 Scenarios to introduce players
-Text is written very childfriendly

I for one would love to know how the text for the Lord of Khorne on Daemonsteed is 'child-friendly'.

The Lord of Khorne on Daemonsteed is a very naughty man. He likes to play tricks on people and sometimes he even starts fights!

This is because he worships Khorne who is the god of body-juice and head bones. So we should celebrate him, even when he's naughty because he is practicing a different faith tradition and everyone has the freedom to practice their own faith.

Although he is very naughty, he also like ice cream and often buys ice cream for the Knights of Sigmar after they play their fighitng games.

Hmm, by 'no small rulebook', i hope that means complete rules.

So..two weeks out from the launch of one of their main product lines and all we have is a leaked white dwarf article reminding us that we love to buy citadel miniatures,

The only insight as what is to come?

remember all those apocalyptic, world shattering, epic battles of good vs. evil? yeah..think bigger. That's Age of Sigmar.

I just don't get it.

 mikhaila wrote:
Hmm, by 'no small rulebook', i hope that means complete rules.

Funny I read it the other way, it only has rules for the models included in the game.

I guess we'll see.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
No one's posted this?

via Steve the Warboss

I thought this dude was one of the more unreliable rumour mongers. Like, if not the worst, dang near 100% fail rate. Am I miss-remembering?

Steve the Warboss - Total rumors: (31 TRUE) / (75 FALSE) / (6 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Pretty bad yeah.

Yeah, that content list pretty much contradicts what we've heard from past sources. I'm skeptical.

yep, considering is disastrous record, Ignoring Steve the warboss 'rumour' is pretty much the only rationnal way to act. The guy is a troll plain and simple


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Also, IIRC one the most reliable rumour monger said that snapfit will go the way of the dodo. Considering this, I think it's really plausible that we will get new chaos warriors and new marauders in the box set, since another runours said that the current warriors and marauders will be discontinued

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Hmm, by 'no small rulebook', i hope that means complete rules.

Funny I read it the other way, it only has rules for the models included in the game.

I guess we'll see.

Yeah, that is how i read it, which scares me.

If the AoS box doesn't have a big rulebook in it, and just a few scenarios, that means we are just waiting for some other product to come out, like a HC rulebook set, and this is just Warmaster version 2.0

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Hmm, by 'no small rulebook', i hope that means complete rules.

Funny I read it the other way, it only has rules for the models included in the game.

I guess we'll see.

Harry (or Hastings) has made comments that the game would be coming with a rule pamphlet and not a regular rule book. Probably something akin to the Warmachine quickstart rules in the starter unit boxes.

 silent25 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Hmm, by 'no small rulebook', i hope that means complete rules.

Funny I read it the other way, it only has rules for the models included in the game.

I guess we'll see.

Harry (or Hastings) has made comments that the game would be coming with a rule pamphlet and not a regular rule book. Probably something akin to the Warmachine quickstart rules in the starter unit boxes.

Except with usual GW flair.. IE it'll be counterintuitive, expensive and poorly implemented.