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so, it seems that the models are snapfit models and not regular multiparts model.

 streetsamurai wrote:
so, it seems that the models are snapfit models and not regular multiparts model.

Like the past... God knows how many starters...

 insaniak wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

Yes. It's a sign that reveals why there have been no new Sisters releases... Sigmar stole their armour.

This actually makes perfect sense!
Maybe I will be able to use my SoB as Sisters of Sigmar ++ now, though .
Finally I can play all my GW miniatures together, Sisters of Sigbattle allied with Lizardwomen!

 Red Viper wrote:

I don't like the idea now, but I think this is going to sell well with the younger crowd.

And that is exactly the point, right? The new game would be a commercial failure if only existing fantasy players picked it up... I think games workshop would rather lose all existing players and bring in a completely new (and hopefully bigger) group of players to take over.

Its just a shame that they couldn't spawn off a 9th edition continuation of traditional warhammer, while at the same time introducing the new skirmish Sigmar game, and have some overlap with sharing minatures etc to keep overheads down. Then both camps would be happy. Maybe that will still happen, I suppose until we see a full rule book we still have no idea what we are getting.....

yeah, but a rumour said that theu were a thing of the past. And that starter set from now on would only include regular multipart models.

Guess that in the next few weeks, they will release the multi part version of the sigmarites, and new marauders and warrior.

 namiel wrote:
Im excited for this but im NOT by any means getting rid of my 8th edition stuff. I have a feeling plenty of people will just keep playing that.

Since this seems to be aesthetically, stylistically and mechanically entirely different from any current WFB, I really fail to see how AoS supersedes 8th other than 'cos GW said it does'. Sadly, that'll be enough for lots of people, but saying this 'replaces' 8th armies/rules is like saying that a new Lamborghini 'replaces' a Land Rover. (Ie. It really doesn't!)

Hm, doesn't matter that much for me personally but i hope this isnt going to be the entirely new look for empire, i think their more realistic one was cooler.

I guess logically these would be space marines and empire would play the part of ig ...

Not bad looking models, if a bit honour guardy (or uh sanguinary guardy). Pretty smart on one hand, lots of conversion potential.

Am i the only one who thinks the chaos dudes with masks look a bit like wracks (on roids) ?

 Vermis wrote:

Torquar wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What is that knight riding? Is that guy riding Battle Cat in gold plate? It looks more cat like than the whatever-griffs they came out with last time for the empire that were the stunted flightless gryphons or somesuch.

I don't now for sure, but I think it heralds the coming of Gozer

Brilliant.

I think it's some kind of wingless dragon or drake mount, or some other kind of reptilian creature. You can tell because, instead of the old style Trish reptilian monsters that all had the same wibbly-lipped deep-sea-fish mouth and crusty gravel rubbed into it's back, it's a new style Seb reptilian monster with giant mammalian canines and 'raptor' claws.

I dunno. I still think He Man should be welcoming his fellow cat riding flowing cape plate wearing Sigmarines to the Eternia bubble universe.

I'm looking at the chaos models as a cheap option for Forsaken and Chosen. The marauder-y guys will be forsaken, the pumped up warriors will be chosen. The sigmarite stuff does look like Warmahordes had a baby with Space Marines. If WMH wasn't a thing, those would look like an interesting new concept that marks the divide between fantasy and 40k. As it is, they're ripping off PP. I'd laugh my ass off if they tried to sue PP and got countersued into oblivion and PP won the entire line of Warhammer.

I dub the Sigmarine commander Me-Han, the 100% Original Creation of the Games Workshop Design Team, no External Influence Whatsoever.

 Paradigm wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Im excited for this but im NOT by any means getting rid of my 8th edition stuff. I have a feeling plenty of people will just keep playing that.

Since this seems to be aesthetically, stylistically and mechanically entirely different from any current WFB, I really fail to see how AoS supersedes 8th other than 'cos GW said it does'. Sadly, that'll be enough for lots of people, but saying this 'replaces' 8th armies/rules is like saying that a new Lamborghini 'replaces' a Land Rover. (Ie. It really doesn't!)

that's just it, gw NEVER said this was a 9th edition fantasy they called it a NEW game in the WHFB IP. Yes its wildly different but yes its been said by gw that all of the old model range will be usable in AOS. So this is not a Lamborghini replacing a land rover its ditching the lambo for the range rover. That's gw's choice and that's what they did. I am just saying I think many people will keep their lambo's too.

 -DE- wrote:
I dub the Sigmarine commander Me-Han, the 100% Original Creation of the Games Workshop Design Team, no External Influence Whatsoever.

Yup, that is the first thing that came to mind for the cavalry guy for me as well (and who spilled custodes/sanguinary guard all over WHFB for the others). I posted a comparison pic a few posts above latter on as well.

very good looking models which I knew they would be but..... I miss the old our armour sucks and we have very old looking gear look :( and the pajamas looking men at arms.

 namiel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Im excited for this but im NOT by any means getting rid of my 8th edition stuff. I have a feeling plenty of people will just keep playing that.

Since this seems to be aesthetically, stylistically and mechanically entirely different from any current WFB, I really fail to see how AoS supersedes 8th other than 'cos GW said it does'. Sadly, that'll be enough for lots of people, but saying this 'replaces' 8th armies/rules is like saying that a new Lamborghini 'replaces' a Land Rover. (Ie. It really doesn't!)

that's just it, gw NEVER said this was a 9th edition fantasy they called it a NEW game in the WHFB IP. Yes its wildly different but yes its been said by gw that all of the old model range will be usable in AOS. So this is not a Lamborghini replacing a land rover its ditching the lambo for the range rover. That's gw's choice and that's what they did. I am just saying I think many people will keep their lambo's too.

To clarify, I agree entirely with what you're saying; there's no real reason not to keep playing with 8th if you have the necessary material while also playing and enjoying Age of Sigmar. The two are such different beasts that other than being made by the same company there's very little connection between the two, and hence very little reason (as a player) to feel you can't play both!

 pretre wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I'm pretty sure these guys aren't The Empire as we know it. They are, for want of a better analogy, the Space Marines of the setting, and I'd be amazed if the Empire with its hordes of peasants and militias doesn't remain as the Imperial Guard equivalent. They may well be drawn from the same faction, even the same list as the 'Sigmarines', but I'm certain they'll still be around.

This is almost certainly correct.

And everyone probably realizes that at some level, but why act reasonable when you can get some nerdrage going on a Friday afternoon?

 Paradigm wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Im excited for this but im NOT by any means getting rid of my 8th edition stuff. I have a feeling plenty of people will just keep playing that.

Since this seems to be aesthetically, stylistically and mechanically entirely different from any current WFB, I really fail to see how AoS supersedes 8th other than 'cos GW said it does'. Sadly, that'll be enough for lots of people, but saying this 'replaces' 8th armies/rules is like saying that a new Lamborghini 'replaces' a Land Rover. (Ie. It really doesn't!)

that's just it, gw NEVER said this was a 9th edition fantasy they called it a NEW game in the WHFB IP. Yes its wildly different but yes its been said by gw that all of the old model range will be usable in AOS. So this is not a Lamborghini replacing a land rover its ditching the lambo for the range rover. That's gw's choice and that's what they did. I am just saying I think many people will keep their lambo's too.

To clarify, I agree entirely with what you're saying; there's no real reason not to keep playing with 8th if you have the necessary material while also playing and enjoying Age of Sigmar. The two are such different beasts that other than being made by the same company there's very little connection between the two, and hence very little reason (as a player) to feel you can't play both!

exactly since the rumors are all the new rules for the "old" armies will be free online until books are put out for sale. Even then the information I got from a good place was that there will be 4 books

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, but a rumour said that theu were a thing of the past. And that starter set from now on would only include regular multipart models.

Guess that in the next few weeks, they will release the multi part version of the sigmarites, and new marauders and warrior.

Eh, possibly not. We still don't have Chosen or Cultists, or even Deffkoptas from Black Reach. They might leave them in the starter to get people to buy it.

Bottle wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

pretre wrote:
This is almost certainly correct.

Becaaause...?

Because all existing models can still be used.

Newp. That just means that existing models can still be used (and is that still a rumour, unconfirmed by an official GW announcement?) not that the Empire is still around. They all died, remember? The world blew up. This is another world with an area called Regalia, no doubt with races that are a wee bit more easily legally protected than HRE zweihanders and the like.

warboss wrote:
I dunno. I still think He Man should be welcoming his fellow cat riding flowing cape plate wearing Sigmarines to the Eternia bubble universe.

Believe me, that was the first thing that popped into my head.

timetowaste85 wrote:I'm looking at the chaos models as a cheap option

gorgon wrote:
And everyone probably realizes that at some level, but why act reasonable when you can get some nerdrage going on a Friday afternoon?

Oh, I agree it's likely that some empire-ish models may turn up sooner or later, but I don't think people saying 'this is certainly what GW will do (because I don't want them not to)' is an airtight source.
Also, I think it's kind of ironic that someone always turns up just to hiss and snarl about 'nerdrage'. Convenient little handwavey strawman, but not a very self-aware one.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, but a rumour said that theu were a thing of the past. And that starter set from now on would only include regular multipart models.

Guess that in the next few weeks, they will release the multi part version of the sigmarites, and new marauders and warrior.

Eh, possibly not. We still don't have Chosen or Cultists, or even Deffkoptas from Black Reach. They might leave them in the starter to get people to buy it.

true enough, but I can't imagine that such indispensable unit as Marauders and Chaos warriors (since supposedly, retailers have been told that the current ones are oop), not to mention the core of a whole new army, will only be available as snapfit from the starter set. But looking at them a bit more closely, I'm actually not sure that they are snap fit. Guess we will have our ansewr soon enough

 Vermis wrote:

Bottle wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

pretre wrote:
This is almost certainly correct.

Becaaause...?

Because all existing models can still be used.

Newp. That just means that existing models can still be used (and is that still a rumour, unconfirmed by an official GW announcement?) not that the Empire is still around. They all died, remember? The world blew up. This is another world with an area called Regalia, no doubt with races that are a wee bit more easily legally protected than HRE zweihanders and the like.

Regalia is also an unconfirmed rumor at this point.

Doesn't matter if the exact "empire" is destroyed, as long as there are weedy humans with feathers in their hats. :-)

@streetsamurai:

I think they are probably snap fit, there are a good few repeated models in the pictures. A caveat to that would be some recent multi part models (the Skitarii/ Ad Mech especially) have had very limited poses. But having seen what GW did with IOB and then DV it is clear that snap fit models are coming on leaps and bounds from what were once very poor alternatives to multi part miniatures.

The sigmarines definitely are monopose. The ten "basic" troopers with hammers and shields are grouped into two units, each of which have the same five sculpts. The chaos are a little harder to tell, but I can't imagine that one army would be snap-fit and the other wouldn't.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, but a rumour said that theu were a thing of the past. And that starter set from now on would only include regular multipart models.

Guess that in the next few weeks, they will release the multi part version of the sigmarites, and new marauders and warrior.

Eh, possibly not. We still don't have Chosen or Cultists, or even Deffkoptas from Black Reach. They might leave them in the starter to get people to buy it.

true enough, but I can't imagine that such indispensable unit as Marauders and Chaos warriors (since supposedly, retailers have been told that the current ones are oop), not to mention the core of a whole new army, will only be available as snapfit from the starter set. But looking at them a bit more closely, I'm actually not sure that they are snap fit. Guess we will have our ansewr soon enough

Cultist from Dark Vengeance are the only way to get them. It's not that far fetched to think GW would do that for a time at least. Also, there is no way to know if the core of an army will remain the same.

 Paradigm wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

xowainx wrote:
I dig them, but it's somewhat ironic that they appear to have made Mantic Basileans.

My exact thought... and now the circle of creation is complete.

The Auld Grump

As someone who's collecting all the Reaper Paladin-types I can get my hands on, I've just had a dangerous thought; a AoS/KoW army with Reaper PCs as leaders, Sigmarines as elite troops, throw in some Basealien cavalry and Paladins, maybe some Sisters... The ultimate in Holy Crusading... This might get expensive if I can ever find a gaming group that would give me a reason to go through with it!

How dare you use miniatures from a variety of companies to play a variety of games! (Add a roleplaying game to the mix, just to round it out.... )

The Auld Grump - the Basilean Sisters are being used as Sisters of Sigmar in our current Mordheim game... they are still getting stomped by everyone but the Dwarfs....

Why are so many people screaming?

We know next to nothing about this release. All we have seen are pictures of amazing models.

Hold on to your boots, this release is going to be amazing.

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:
Why are so many people screaming?

We know next to nothing about this release. All we have seen are pictures of amazing models.

Hold on to your boots, this release is going to be amazing.

People where complaining that they look too Space marineee.

still dont see it.l

 Vermis wrote:

gorgon wrote:
And everyone probably realizes that at some level, but why act reasonable when you can get some nerdrage going on a Friday afternoon?

Oh, I agree it's likely that some empire-ish models may turn up sooner or later, but I don't think people saying 'this is certainly what GW will do (because I don't want them not to)' is an airtight source.
Also, I think it's kind of ironic that someone always turns up just to hiss and snarl about 'nerdrage'. Convenient little handwavey strawman, but not a very self-aware one.

Well, I don't necessarily expect guys with poofy sleeves to show up. I suspect that most kids find Empire to be rather lame-looking, even as it might appeal to us older folks with more historical leanings.

Hastings laid it out the other day. WFB was going to die without a shakeup. It was likely well past the point at which vets buying a few more boxes of existing stuff because of an 'improved' 9th edition would be enough to reverse its fortunes. What the vets do is probably almost irrelevant at this point. SMs hook kids like crazy for 40K, and IMO it's actually a pretty solid business plan to finally introduce an equivalent beginner's army -- with a more...modern(?) high fantasy aesthetic -- to WFB.

And it'd only be a strawman if I said that everyone criticizing the models was nerdraging. That's obviously not the case; but there are clearly responses in this thread that aren't well-considered or thoughtful.

Christ almighty, if there is one thing that actually DOES get me annoyed it's having mild negative comments like "these models are very competently made, but not my cup of tea" characterised as "nerdrage" or "screaming".

Learn to appreciate nuance and degrees of opinion lads. Haven't seen any negative people screaming or claiming the sky is falling- mostly just expressing mild disapproval of models that they don't like!

 pretre wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Have there been any rumours on who has written the rules yet?

Marketing Studio.

Fixed that for you.

Their pauldrons are like rearranged SM pads. At least they'll make neat sternguard for somebody's homebrew chapter.