Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**lord_blackfang**

From what little we can see of the rules, the "last ditch win" thing was hugely misrepresented by that one guy.

Battles are supposed to be played till someone has no minis left. If this takes too long, the player who lost a smaller percentage of their force (by pure model count) wins.

Only if someone starts out with a significantly smaller force is he allowed to pick an objective, so that he has a fighting chance.

**Desubot**

lord_blackfang wrote:
From what little we can see of the rules, the "last ditch win" thing was hugely misrepresented by that one guy.

Battles are supposed to be played till someone has no minis left. If this takes too long, the player who lost a smaller percentage of their force (by pure model count) wins.

Only if someone starts out with a significantly smaller force is he allowed to pick an objective, so that he has a fighting chance.

Ok thats a bit more interesting but still it sounds way wonky.

Gona have to wait and see after the box drops and i can take a gander at the full rules.

**ShaneTB**

Battleshock (morale) happens for both sides - no 'winning' side in combat.

Players each roll 1D6 + number of models in unit slain = X. One model is lost for each point above the Bravery of the unit. Add +1 bravery for every ten models...(something about larger units).

**NAVARRO**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5 pages ago, people were high fiving each other. Now, we're back to a cluster feth of epic proportions

Man I got to say its been a roller coaster!!! Heart attack material.

Nah! I made up my mind with the info I have, I will give it a try since I have the models and I will have the free rules, so nothing to lose there. I think it has the potential to be enjoyable and its a good chance to play some games and introduce my kid to warhammer. Im positive with the fact I can use my things and rules are free.

**Flashman**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
while I think it's quite probable that there may be some sort of balancing of forces (each player take the same number of boxes of stuff)

it would not surprise me if this game is even more targeted at groups of friends playing together who actually talk to each other and set goals/limits/scenarios beforehand

this is what GW designers play and what the games have mainly been intended for (with a brief flirtation with tournaments). It's not going to be good for random games in store, but it may well suit the home gamer more

(and yes I know tight competitive rule sets can work for home games too, but they're not what GW is all about)

Well they've shot themselves in the

this time. I guess we're going to find out if Warhammer genuinely can survive as a Collectors range first, game second.

**migooo**

Oh so now the stats have all changed as well?

And they have the nerve to call it warhammer?

**ShaneTB**

lord_blackfang wrote:
From what little we can see of the rules, the "last ditch win" thing was hugely misrepresented by that one guy.

Battles are supposed to be played till someone has no minis left. If this takes too long, the player who lost a smaller percentage of their force (by pure model count) wins.

Only if someone starts out with a significantly smaller force is he allowed to pick an objective, so that he has a fighting chance.

Yes. Reads like if you have a third less models you can pick a Sudden Death victory condition.

**Dryaktylus**

Wonderwolf wrote:
Lol

Take what you want. Hundred miniatures recommended!

Uhm... no? That's the usual example of how long a game may last. And with hundred miniatures per side it typically takes one evening.

**A Town Called Malus**

lord_blackfang wrote:
From what little we can see of the rules, the "last ditch win" thing was hugely misrepresented by that one guy.

Battles are supposed to be played till someone has no minis left. If this takes too long, the player who lost a smaller percentage of their force (by pure model count) wins.

Only if someone starts out with a significantly smaller force is he allowed to pick an objective, so that he has a fighting chance.

So even if the people saying that it may still be balanced if Nagash = 5 warscrolls or whatever are right, then the person whose army consists of Nagash, Sigmar, Tyrion and Malekith will still win by having less models and using the sudden death victories

**nettraper**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5 pages ago, people were high fiving each other. Now, we're back to a cluster feth of epic proportions

Maybe everyone's panicking for no good reason.

For all we know, come Saturday, GW may well say, yeah, there is a points system. 1 unit = 1 warscroll.

So you want a 10 war scroll game, here's what 1 war scroll equals:

This! the description where they talk about 100 miniatures below says "models are described as war-scrolls", I think it is a stab at that system you played in WHFB that you ranked an army based on what cheese/non-cheese units you've brought.

Looking forward to the game as it evolves !

**Necros**

100 minis is nothing, says the guy with a night goblin army.

**angelofvengeance**

Where the hell are these rules you're all bleating about?

**ShaneTB**

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angelofvengeance wrote:
Where the hell are these rules you're all bleating about?

https://twitter.com/Chumphammer <--- Check images.

**migooo**

Necros wrote:
100 minis is nothing, says the guy with a night goblin army.

Or a skaven army

**pretre**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Where the hell are these rules you're all bleating about?

On twitter. Look for Chumphammer.

**Desubot**

Flashman wrote:
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Well they've shot themselves in the this time. I guess we're going to find out if Warhammer genuinely can survive as a Collectors range first, game second.

Its not even a game. its just a bunch of toys where people sit there and make pew pew noises for a few hours at a time.

Assuming there really is no balancing factor.

I DO like the idea of objectives for smaller forces, like killing a specific unit or general or whatever. but its all looking pear shaped

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

NAVARRO wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5 pages ago, people were high fiving each other. Now, we're back to a cluster feth of epic proportions

Man I got to say its been a roller coaster!!! Heart attack material.

Nah! I made up my mind with the info I have, I will give it a try since I have the models and I will have the free rules, so nothing to lose there. I think it has the potential to be enjoyable and its a good chance to play some games and introduce my kid to warhammer. Im positive with the fact I can use my things and rules are free.

I don't like being the voice of reason

But I think everybody should calm down...take a deep breath

This is a jigsaw puzzle, and while we're seeing a picture, we're not seeing the WHOLE picture, because pieces are missing.

Saturday may well reveal the piece that clears everything up.

If I'm wrong, you have my permission to run for the hills, but let's be patient. Yeah, I know its hard, but that's why Mankind invented alcohol

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

from adeptus astartes on facebook

**ShaneTB**

Desubot wrote:
Flashman wrote:
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Well they've shot themselves in the this time. I guess we're going to find out if Warhammer genuinely can survive as a Collectors range first, game second.

Its not even a game. its just a bunch of toys where people sit there and make pew pew noises for a few hours at a time.

Assuming there really is no balancing factor.

I DO like the idea of objectives for smaller forces, like killing a specific unit or general or whatever. but its all looking pear shaped

From what I can see, there's something about killing a whole designated unit, having one of your designated units survive the whole game or having a designated model on enemy terroritory.

**streetsamurai**

Wow, that sounds like absolute garbage. Let's hope that the real rules (as in the big rulebook that is rumoured to come out) are more interesting than this. At this point, I might buy the set to convert the mini into cultist, but I sure wont play a game where the rules are that simple and boring.

**ShaneTB**

Plus worth remembering that all scenarios are in the bigger book, and all unit stats, spells and special rules are in the War Scrolls.

Still a lot to see yet...

**lord_blackfang**

Stats seem to be To Hit, To Wound, Rend (= ASM, obviously), Save, Bravery.

Attack resolution seems to be exactly the same as now except you have static target numbers instead of WS tables. The morale check is the only different thing so far, and 3" melee engagement range.

**pretre**

From http://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2015/06/warhammer-age-of-sigmar.html

**ShaneTB**

Does this mean that 4Chan leak was accurate?

**JohnHwangDD**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If the rules come with each unit, then that has to be the end of army books and all the fluff that went with them

Don't be silly. At some point, GW will compile everything into beautiful full-color hardback reference books for armies. They will be army books like we've all known, and GW will charge a pretty penny for them.

That maybe, but will they be available in Australia?

I certainly hope so. It would be grossly unfair to force Australians to import their rules from overseas, paying foreign exchange fees and international shipping charges on top of foreign retail prices. Far better that GW continues to sell their product in Australia at a fair market price.

**pretre**

ShaneTB wrote:
Does this mean that 4Chan leak was accurate?

Which one?

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Flashman wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
while I think it's quite probable that there may be some sort of balancing of forces (each player take the same number of boxes of stuff)

it would not surprise me if this game is even more targeted at groups of friends playing together who actually talk to each other and set goals/limits/scenarios beforehand

this is what GW designers play and what the games have mainly been intended for (with a brief flirtation with tournaments). It's not going to be good for random games in store, but it may well suit the home gamer more

(and yes I know tight competitive rule sets can work for home games too, but they're not what GW is all about)

Well they've shot themselves in the this time. I guess we're going to find out if Warhammer genuinely can survive as a Collectors range first, game second.

C'mon, flashman, you've probably played more games of warhammer than most people have had hot dinners.

You're too much of a veteran to let little things like 'balance' and 'game mechanics' put you off a new version of fantasy

If you've been in the hobby as long as I have (maybe you have) then you've probably seen GW churn out worse than this

**Mr Morden**

Is it alternating activations? That would be interesting

**JohnHwangDD**

Necros wrote:
100 minis is nothing, says the guy with a night goblin army.

Any army can hit 100 models if you're willing to set the points limit high enough. I has been a while since I counted out my Dogs of War, but I'm pretty sure they're well over 100 models.

**Mymearan**

streetsamurai wrote:
Wow, that sounds like absolute garbage. Let's hope that the real rules (as in the big rulebook that is rumoured to come out) are more interesting than this. At this point, I might buy the set to convert the mini into cultist, but I sure wont play a game where the rules are that simple and boring.

There is no longer any rumor about a bigger rulebook. These are THE rules. And they look great from what I can read in the scans! You can always ignore the sudden death rule, which from the looks of it only comes opi to play if there is no clear winner. So in most battles it will not be used at all.