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 Elemental wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did Gamesworkshop just jump the shark?

They've nuked the fridge, they've jumped the shark.

I said this in another thread- I'd call GW a Mickey Mouse operation, but that would be an insult to cartoon mice everywhere.

You can't really accuse them of inconsistency, though. This is the logical progression of the path that we've seen for some time in 40K. Everything is made up, and the points don't matter.

So this is the pinnacle of their madness?

The 40k community just breathed a collective sigh of relief as maybe old man GW will be back on his meds when it is time to update to 8th.

"The endless Dance:
If you are dancing
while rolling the dice for the Masque’s
attacks in the combat phase, you can re-
roll any failed hit rolls. If, at any point, you
can coerce your opponent to join in, you
can re-roll any failed wound rolls as well."

I can't wait for Adepticon.

So wait... are the scenery Warscrolls like Fortifications in 40K or are they just 'normal' terrain for use instead of the random effect roll?

I will also say that some of comedy rules, at least to me, seem entertaining 'on paper' but I have feeling that this might be less so, at least to me, in practice.

nudibranch wrote:
I will also say that some of comedy rules, at least to me, seem entertaining 'on paper' but I have feeling that this might be less so, at least to me, in practice.

I think the design team had a retreat to Denver Colorado for two weeks while inventing these war scrolls.

Grabbed all the files off the NZ server, took them to the printer, and have all 439 pages into 4 binders.

 mikhaila wrote:
Grabbed all the files off the NZ server, took them to the printer, and have all 439 pages into 4 binders.

That's awesome. I might have gone 2 UP and double-sided, but I'm a bit weird like that.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
So wait... are the scenery Warscrolls like Fortifications in 40K or are they just 'normal' terrain for use instead of the random effect roll?

They are similar to Fortifications.

Most of them have special rules of some kind. Some are deadly. Some give you minor benefits.

So...my new army is 2 Fateweavers and a Screaming Bell. On my first turn, during the Hero phase I use Peal of Doom then use Fateweaver's ability Oracle of Eternity to give myself a 13. I win and have the bonus of playing exactly like a Skaven.

The only way I can describe this is jumping the Sharknado in a fridge while a nuke goes off.

Can anyone help me here? I'm reading the rules and there is no point system? how can my 1 wound dwarfs stand up to 4 wound ogres? how is this fair? am i missing something? Not trying to be a troll or anything or bitch, i just want to know if I'm missing something that helps this game to be fair for all partys involved?

xaszatm wrote:
So...my new army is 2 Fateweavers and a Screaming Bell. On my first turn, during the Hero phase I use Peal of Doom then use Fateweaver's ability Oracle of Eternity to give myself a 13. I win and have the bonus of playing exactly like a Skaven.

Why not put down a set of 3 of these? Just in case...

 Xyxox wrote:
The only way I can describe this is jumping the Sharknado in a fridge while a nuke goes off.

I think all of these jumping the shark comments have now themselves jumped the shark. How meta.

 PuddlePirate wrote:
Can anyone help me here? I'm reading the rules and there is no point system? how can my 1 wound dwarfs stand up to 4 wound ogres? how is this fair? am i missing something? Not trying to be a troll or anything or bitch, i just want to know if I'm missing something that helps this game to be fair for all partys involved?

There are no points. The rules explicitly state you can put as many models on the battlefield until no more can fit.


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 pretre wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:
The only way I can describe this is jumping the Sharknado in a fridge while a nuke goes off.

I think all of these jumping the shark comments have now themselves jumped the shark. How meta.

they've jumped the shark while nuking the fridge.

 Swastakowey wrote:

xaszatm wrote:
So...my new army is 2 Fateweavers and a Screaming Bell. On my first turn, during the Hero phase I use Peal of Doom then use Fateweaver's ability Oracle of Eternity to give myself a 13. I win and have the bonus of playing exactly like a Skaven.

Why not put down a set of 3 of these? Just in case...

Because I want to keep at least 2 of my teeth?

 Xyxox wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:
The only way I can describe this is jumping the Sharknado in a fridge while a nuke goes off.

I think all of these jumping the shark comments have now themselves jumped the shark. How meta.

they've jumped the shark while nuking the fridge.

Thanks for proving my point.


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 Swastakowey wrote:

xaszatm wrote:
So...my new army is 2 Fateweavers and a Screaming Bell. On my first turn, during the Hero phase I use Peal of Doom then use Fateweaver's ability Oracle of Eternity to give myself a 13. I win and have the bonus of playing exactly like a Skaven.

Why not put down a set of 3 of these? Just in case...

Considering it explicitly says you cheated to do it, you'd be hard pressed to pull this off in any competitive setting. Most events have rules against cheating.

xaszatm wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

xaszatm wrote:
So...my new army is 2 Fateweavers and a Screaming Bell. On my first turn, during the Hero phase I use Peal of Doom then use Fateweaver's ability Oracle of Eternity to give myself a 13. I win and have the bonus of playing exactly like a Skaven.

Why not put down a set of 3 of these? Just in case...

Because I want to keep at least 2 of my teeth?

There is a special rule for that somewhere don't worry. Probably a bonus for doubling the loss of teeth.

Well it does seem like they took some measures to stop people from playing a single Bloodthirster warscroll and playing 30 of them of the one warscroll. However it doesnt stop people from just using all 30 warscrolls for 30 bloodthirsters.

the "or more" clause is really getting to me. I agree, how do you balance when it just says or more. Of course I want more if there is no point value...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did Gamesworkshop just jump the shark?

In a spandex suit on a motorcycle while playing children's card games with a trail of fire and blaring out ACDC.

I like to plan and build an army, this seems just like meh.... do what you want, have fun!!

Don't like it, I need structure!

40k is next. Deny away doubters but I would be worried

My main problem is that is has replaced fantasy. If this was a quirky little off-shoot, I wouldn't be bothered by this. But now I can only play 8th on Wednesdays as it's considered a specialist game. I think I'll start attending non-GW gaming groups...

Oh goody, games of AoS are going to have all the officially sanctioned "fun" of an office Christmas party.

nudibranch wrote:
I will also say that some of comedy rules, at least to me, seem entertaining 'on paper' but I have feeling that this might be less so, at least to me, in practice.

That's my take on it as well. A lot of this is hilarious on a first readthrough, and would be amusing (with the right crowd) the first time or two... but after that is going to get old really quickly.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Well it does seem like they took some measures to stop people from playing a single Bloodthirster warscroll and playing 30 of them of the one warscroll. However it doesnt stop people from just using all 30 warscrolls for 30 bloodthirsters..

You're better off taking them individually anyway, so you can tailor the size of your force against your opponent to stay under the 30% for Sudden Death.

Must say I'm suprised that these shouting and acting bonuses are as popular as they seem to be here.

Now, I'm (almost) as fond of some in-character immersive fooling around as the next guy BUT, having it proscribed by the game takes all the fun out of it for me.

I have a feeling that these proscribed phrases and mannerisms will get old rather quick. Really, really old in fact.

I'm just glad WMH or Infinity night isn't on fantasy night. I couldn't concentrate with people shouting silly things all night.

Posting my thoughts on this release from the WHFB General Discussions:

 Accolade wrote:
Yeah, seeing that the game has become a "throw models down, throw dice and see how wins" without any attempt at balancing...

Look, it's fine for a board game, or something else that you don't spend much money on. As far as a game where you're buying a rather large army with nothing codified, it seems pointless. So I suppose I might get a couple of kits I've always liked for WHFB, but I can't see myself investing any further. I'll just go to W/MH for a tactical fantasy experience.

Motograter wrote:40k is next. Deny away doubters but I would be worried

Seeing the way things are going with crazy bonuses and free points in the form of detachments, I feel this track with 40k is already on the march.

This game is going to determine whether people buy GW's models because they collect figures or because they like to play the game.

nudibranch wrote:My main problem is that is has replaced fantasy. If this was a quirky little off-shoot, I wouldn't be bothered by this. But now I can only play 8th on Wednesdays as it's considered a specialist game. I think I'll start attending non-GW gaming groups...

Yeah, I feel this is the single biggest gripe people have with AOS. Were it something of a starter for new people, I'd give it full thumbs up. But since it's subverted a future 9th, it's a difficult pill to swallow.

Does anyone think these kind of rules will make their way over when the new versions of the races are updated?

Seems like it might have been put in to poke a little fun at those evil competitive players who didn't support the old game enough.

The new rules for beast men took marks away after end times giving them back. That didn't last long.

Feels like if they just threw a points system in, it would be an interesting idea... smacks of they couldn't be bothered to play test it.